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The only winner here is Platini's ego!
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Liverpool fans always push the UEFA Cup & Super Cup as a big deal, because without them, they've only won 3 major titles since 1992 (1 CL & 2 FAC).
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Don't say that. 1992 onwards doesn't really count in their world.
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Why would it not exist? We've basically won every trophy going in that time.
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You sure?
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Yes. Very sure.
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Premier League?
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No, which is why I didn't say we've won everything going. That's the one that's eluded us. Came very close on a few occasions but won everything else. Not bad for a club which didn't exist pre-92.
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The only winner here is Platini's ego!
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Liverpool fans always push the UEFA Cup & Super Cup as a big deal, because without them, they've only won 3 major titles since 1992 (1 CL & 2 FAC).
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Don't say that. 1992 onwards doesn't really count in their world.
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Why would it not exist? We've basically won every trophy going in that time.
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You sure?
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Yes. Very sure.
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Premier League?
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No, which is why I didn't say we've won everything going. That's the one that's eluded us. Came very close on a few occasions but won everything else. Not bad for a club which didn't exist pre-92.
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But still, you want the Premier League as badly as Arsenal fans want the CL.
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comment by raheemsnewtrophycleaner (U20585)
posted 50 seconds ago
The only winner here is Platini's ego!
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Liverpool fans always push the UEFA Cup & Super Cup as a big deal, because without them, they've only won 3 major titles since 1992 (1 CL & 2 FAC).
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Don't say that. 1992 onwards doesn't really count in their world.
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Why would it not exist? We've basically won every trophy going in that time.
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You sure?
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Yes. Very sure.
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Premier League?
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No, which is why I didn't say we've won everything going. That's the one that's eluded us. Came very close on a few occasions but won everything else. Not bad for a club which didn't exist pre-92.
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But still, you want the Premier League as badly as Arsenal fans want the CL.
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Of course.
But still, you want the Premier League as badly as Arsenal fans want the CL.
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I doubt it. Sure there is a name change but it's not like we've never won the top flight ever. We've won the European Cup and CL..... people don't really say that do they.
comment by Robbing_Hoody - Part of FSG's black flag operation (U6374)
posted 2 hours, 8 minutes ago
But still, you want the Premier League as badly as Arsenal fans want the CL.
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I doubt it. Sure there is a name change but it's not like we've never won the top flight ever. We've won the European Cup and CL..... people don't really say that do they.
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No, but people don't say they've won the Premier League if they're refering to the Old Division One either.
The PL is a different beast to the Old Division One, especially with the marketing machine behind it. It's the biggest league in sports. So no surprise that the 3 most successful PL teams - United, Arsenal & Chelsea - are the 3 most popular PL teams globally.
CL & European Cup are more interchangeble but people still make the distinction fairly often, especially when refering to 'CL records'.
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comment by Robbing_Hoody - Part of FSG's black flag operation (U6374)
posted 2 hours, 8 minutes ago
But still, you want the Premier League as badly as Arsenal fans want the CL.
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I doubt it. Sure there is a name change but it's not like we've never won the top flight ever. We've won the European Cup and CL..... people don't really say that do they.
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No, but people don't say they've won the Premier League if they're refering to the Old Division One either.
The PL is a different beast to the Old Division One, especially with the marketing machine behind it. It's the biggest league in sports. So no surprise that the 3 most successful PL teams - United, Arsenal & Chelsea - are the 3 most popular PL teams globally.
CL & European Cup are more interchangeble but people still make the distinction fairly often, especially when refering to 'CL records'.
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Global popularity is based on one thing and that's success, the more success you have, the more popularity you have. It doesn't matter what league name there is, it's simply about how recent success is, which is why there's been a massive increase in Chelsea and City fans globally.
Agree. That demonstrates our recent success.
comment by raheemsnewtrophycleaner (U20585)
posted 54 minutes ago
Agree. That demonstrates our recent success.
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It does. You still have a lot of work to do commercially however. Chelsea have come on leaps and bounds in that respect. City still have some way to go to get that global popularity.
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comment by raheemsnewtrophycleaner (U20585)
posted 54 minutes ago
Agree. That demonstrates our recent success.
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It does. You still have a lot of work to do commercially however. Chelsea have come on leaps and bounds in that respect. City still have some way to go to get that global popularity.
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We do have a massive amount to do commercially, to catch United that has been built up over 3 decades. I think when you consider we're now 2nd behind United as the most commercially successful team in the PL, shows how far we have come in 7 years, ahead of both Chelsea and Arsenal.
I did say to Boris Man Utd didn't spend much in the early years
Man Utd net spend from 1992 to 1998 was like minus £40000 but most people think we took advantage of sky money and bought titles during that period .
All it shows is if you get good youngsters you don't have to spend much to win trophies.
comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 28 minutes ago
Man Utd net spend from 1992 to 1998 was like minus £40000 but most people think we took advantage of sky money and bought titles during that period.
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Funny how you stopped at 98. As the next season 98/99 your net spend was £25.9m.
comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 31 minutes ago
All it shows is if you get good youngsters you don't have to spend much to win trophies.
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However, I do agree with you on this.
http://www.espn.co.uk/football/barclays-premier-league/story/2532763/arsene-wenger-arsenal-wont-emulate-man-united-spending
Wenger rarely every mentioned about SAF spending as Man utd net spend was very little during the years he managed for Man utd as a lot of the players used were promoted from within.
He realises now man utd are flexing the money because we have a lot of money and are now doing things differently instead of waiting patiently for the youngsters to grow into the 1st team player we want like SAF used to do.
Arsene knows Arsenal fans
http://www.espn.co.uk/football/barclays-premier-league/story/2532763/arsene-wenger-arsenal-wont-emulate-man-united-spending
"Of course," he said. "When you lose your best players and see opponents strengthen their squad -- and they are already stronger than you -- it is impossible."
In this day and age club owners do not want to waste time on waiting for youth to come through. The emphasis on winning silverware is far greater now than it has ever been because of the investment & the rewards of success. No way will a manager be given a few years to build a team from youth ahead of winning trophy's. The days of longevity in management without reward for the top clubs is long gone, Bar Wenger of course but I believe he will be the last in the premier league.
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posted on 22/7/15
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posted 10 minutes ago
comment by #LiquidGenius (U20571)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by raheemsnewtrophycleaner (U20585)
posted 50 seconds ago
The only winner here is Platini's ego!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Liverpool fans always push the UEFA Cup & Super Cup as a big deal, because without them, they've only won 3 major titles since 1992 (1 CL & 2 FAC).
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Don't say that. 1992 onwards doesn't really count in their world.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why would it not exist? We've basically won every trophy going in that time.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You sure?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes. Very sure.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Premier League?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No, which is why I didn't say we've won everything going. That's the one that's eluded us. Came very close on a few occasions but won everything else. Not bad for a club which didn't exist pre-92.
posted on 22/7/15
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 15 minutes ago
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posted 10 minutes ago
comment by #LiquidGenius (U20571)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by raheemsnewtrophycleaner (U20585)
posted 50 seconds ago
The only winner here is Platini's ego!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Liverpool fans always push the UEFA Cup & Super Cup as a big deal, because without them, they've only won 3 major titles since 1992 (1 CL & 2 FAC).
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Don't say that. 1992 onwards doesn't really count in their world.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why would it not exist? We've basically won every trophy going in that time.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You sure?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes. Very sure.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Premier League?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No, which is why I didn't say we've won everything going. That's the one that's eluded us. Came very close on a few occasions but won everything else. Not bad for a club which didn't exist pre-92.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But still, you want the Premier League as badly as Arsenal fans want the CL.
posted on 23/7/15
comment by chatterer (U18218)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 15 minutes ago
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posted 18 minutes ago
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posted 10 minutes ago
comment by #LiquidGenius (U20571)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by raheemsnewtrophycleaner (U20585)
posted 50 seconds ago
The only winner here is Platini's ego!
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Liverpool fans always push the UEFA Cup & Super Cup as a big deal, because without them, they've only won 3 major titles since 1992 (1 CL & 2 FAC).
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Don't say that. 1992 onwards doesn't really count in their world.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why would it not exist? We've basically won every trophy going in that time.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You sure?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes. Very sure.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Premier League?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No, which is why I didn't say we've won everything going. That's the one that's eluded us. Came very close on a few occasions but won everything else. Not bad for a club which didn't exist pre-92.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But still, you want the Premier League as badly as Arsenal fans want the CL.
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Of course.
posted on 23/7/15
But still, you want the Premier League as badly as Arsenal fans want the CL.
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I doubt it. Sure there is a name change but it's not like we've never won the top flight ever. We've won the European Cup and CL..... people don't really say that do they.
posted on 23/7/15
comment by Robbing_Hoody - Part of FSG's black flag operation (U6374)
posted 2 hours, 8 minutes ago
But still, you want the Premier League as badly as Arsenal fans want the CL.
--------
I doubt it. Sure there is a name change but it's not like we've never won the top flight ever. We've won the European Cup and CL..... people don't really say that do they.
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No, but people don't say they've won the Premier League if they're refering to the Old Division One either.
The PL is a different beast to the Old Division One, especially with the marketing machine behind it. It's the biggest league in sports. So no surprise that the 3 most successful PL teams - United, Arsenal & Chelsea - are the 3 most popular PL teams globally.
CL & European Cup are more interchangeble but people still make the distinction fairly often, especially when refering to 'CL records'.
posted on 23/7/15
comment by #LiquidGenius (U20571)
posted 6 hours, 33 minutes ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody - Part of FSG's black flag operation (U6374)
posted 2 hours, 8 minutes ago
But still, you want the Premier League as badly as Arsenal fans want the CL.
--------
I doubt it. Sure there is a name change but it's not like we've never won the top flight ever. We've won the European Cup and CL..... people don't really say that do they.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No, but people don't say they've won the Premier League if they're refering to the Old Division One either.
The PL is a different beast to the Old Division One, especially with the marketing machine behind it. It's the biggest league in sports. So no surprise that the 3 most successful PL teams - United, Arsenal & Chelsea - are the 3 most popular PL teams globally.
CL & European Cup are more interchangeble but people still make the distinction fairly often, especially when refering to 'CL records'.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Global popularity is based on one thing and that's success, the more success you have, the more popularity you have. It doesn't matter what league name there is, it's simply about how recent success is, which is why there's been a massive increase in Chelsea and City fans globally.
posted on 23/7/15
Agree. That demonstrates our recent success.
posted on 23/7/15
comment by raheemsnewtrophycleaner (U20585)
posted 54 minutes ago
Agree. That demonstrates our recent success.
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It does. You still have a lot of work to do commercially however. Chelsea have come on leaps and bounds in that respect. City still have some way to go to get that global popularity.
posted on 23/7/15
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by raheemsnewtrophycleaner (U20585)
posted 54 minutes ago
Agree. That demonstrates our recent success.
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It does. You still have a lot of work to do commercially however. Chelsea have come on leaps and bounds in that respect. City still have some way to go to get that global popularity.
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We do have a massive amount to do commercially, to catch United that has been built up over 3 decades. I think when you consider we're now 2nd behind United as the most commercially successful team in the PL, shows how far we have come in 7 years, ahead of both Chelsea and Arsenal.
posted on 23/7/15
I did say to Boris Man Utd didn't spend much in the early years
posted on 23/7/15
Man Utd net spend from 1992 to 1998 was like minus £40000 but most people think we took advantage of sky money and bought titles during that period .
posted on 23/7/15
All it shows is if you get good youngsters you don't have to spend much to win trophies.
posted on 23/7/15
comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 28 minutes ago
Man Utd net spend from 1992 to 1998 was like minus £40000 but most people think we took advantage of sky money and bought titles during that period.
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Funny how you stopped at 98. As the next season 98/99 your net spend was £25.9m.
posted on 23/7/15
comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 31 minutes ago
All it shows is if you get good youngsters you don't have to spend much to win trophies.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
However, I do agree with you on this.
posted on 23/7/15
http://www.espn.co.uk/football/barclays-premier-league/story/2532763/arsene-wenger-arsenal-wont-emulate-man-united-spending
Wenger rarely every mentioned about SAF spending as Man utd net spend was very little during the years he managed for Man utd as a lot of the players used were promoted from within.
He realises now man utd are flexing the money because we have a lot of money and are now doing things differently instead of waiting patiently for the youngsters to grow into the 1st team player we want like SAF used to do.
posted on 23/7/15
Arsene knows Arsenal fans
http://www.espn.co.uk/football/barclays-premier-league/story/2532763/arsene-wenger-arsenal-wont-emulate-man-united-spending
"Of course," he said. "When you lose your best players and see opponents strengthen their squad -- and they are already stronger than you -- it is impossible."
posted on 23/7/15
In this day and age club owners do not want to waste time on waiting for youth to come through. The emphasis on winning silverware is far greater now than it has ever been because of the investment & the rewards of success. No way will a manager be given a few years to build a team from youth ahead of winning trophy's. The days of longevity in management without reward for the top clubs is long gone, Bar Wenger of course but I believe he will be the last in the premier league.
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