For a good 20 years now we haven't really spent much money. In that time we have neither saved money for a new stadium or reduced the debt. As far as marquee signings like lakaku, do you think we would have bought him with out selling fellaini?
Not convinced Martinez is the man to bring us success but I would rather be proved wrong than correct.
As far as youth coming through the ranks, which fan doesn't like to see that
We do appear to have the best crop of younger players for a very long time and many ready to make the step up from a good U21's side that have been together for a good few years. Moyes must take credit for the transformation of the youth setup - even if he was reluctant to trust the younger players at times.
Maybe what is said is correct, a blend of youth and expereince has worked for Liverpool and very well at Southampton. But is our first 11 good enough to integrate 1-2 for a good portion of the season??
How much debt are Everton actually in?
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 5 minutes ago
How much debt are Everton actually in?
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Roughly £30 million
You can't just rely on youth, only very few will actually be good enough. United in the early 90s was a one off which I doubt will ever be repeated. You need to spend money to compete, it's a simple as that.
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 10 seconds ago
You can't just rely on youth, only very few will actually be good enough. United in the early 90s was a one off which I doubt will ever be repeated. You need to spend money to compete, it's a simple as that.
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Classic mistake of not reading what has been posted TOOR.
He promotes following the recent sucess of Southampton and Liverpool of integrating good youth players with a better quality signing coming in and not 3-4 average ones
By promoting from within we can both save money on players we don't necessarily need (ie we currently need 2 cb's but purchasing one and promoting Galloway is Martinez's plan rather than buying two)
By doing this we then have more funds to
A: buy marquee players like Lukaku"
Not much then. You'd imagine with the new tv revenues that can be paid off quite quickly.
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
Not much then. You'd imagine with the new tv revenues that can be paid off quite quickly.
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depends if the board use it to paydown the debt, buy players or line their pockets with the cash windfall.
Premier league club with a Championship budget!
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
Not much then. You'd imagine with the new tv revenues that can be paid off quite quickly.
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You would imagine so but seems to linger around that much. Plus we have sold our training ground & now pay rent to the city council on it. Also we only make £3 million a year from merchandise (locked into a 10 year deal with kit bag) & on top of that also contracted out hospitality on match days.
I see.
Depends on the terms of the debt repayments as well I guess.
£30m isn't a lot of debt in today's money. Most football clubs have loads of debt.
How it hinders you financially compared to others I'm not sure of, however.
I agree with the article, by the way. Though it depends on how good the young players are, as well as what the goals are.
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comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 10 seconds ago
You can't just rely on youth, only very few will actually be good enough. United in the early 90s was a one off which I doubt will ever be repeated. You need to spend money to compete, it's a simple as that.
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Classic mistake of not reading what has been posted TOOR.
He promotes following the recent sucess of Southampton and Liverpool of integrating good youth players with a better quality signing coming in and not 3-4 average ones
By promoting from within we can both save money on players we don't necessarily need (ie we currently need 2 cb's but purchasing one and promoting Galloway is Martinez's plan rather than buying two)
By doing this we then have more funds to
A: buy marquee players like Lukaku"
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I read what he said and disagreed it will get you anywhere. You need to spend loads of cash, as we did, to even get near to the top four. We're talking about City, United and Chelsea who spend massive sums and are loaded and Arsenal who have entered into a period of being loaded also. You then have Liverpool behind them, who can't compete with them but like you say try to integrate young players to close the gap but we still spend vast amounts of cash. Spurs try to do something similar to us but even can't compete with us and likewise Southampton. It's not enough. You need to spend big now. It's no longer just United who are loaded, the current top four are rolling in the cash and no longer restricted in spending it.
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 53 seconds ago
I see.
Depends on the terms of the debt repayments as well I guess.
£30m isn't a lot of debt in today's money. Most football clubs have loads of debt.
How it hinders you financially compared to others I'm not sure of, however.
I agree with the article, by the way. Though it depends on how good the young players are, as well as what the goals are.
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from what I understand a fair bit of the debt was loned on future season ticket sales and carries both high interest rates and probably (just my opinion) a ridiculously high early repayment fee.
Spurs have out performed Liverpool in the league for the last 4-5 years apart from a blip
Ok cheers for the info.
Spurs, who keep finishing above Liverpool, can't compete with Liverpool?
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 45 minutes ago
Ok cheers for the info.
Spurs, who keep finishing above Liverpool, can't compete with Liverpool?
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Financially.
Feck me, you guys are thick. Can't you read?
comment by Mr Reasonable (U2320)
posted 1 hour, 22 minutes ago
For a good 20 years now we haven't really spent much money. In that time we have neither saved money for a new stadium or reduced the debt. As far as marquee signings like lakaku, do you think we would have bought him with out selling fellaini?
Not convinced Martinez is the man to bring us success but I would rather be proved wrong than correct.
As far as youth coming through the ranks, which fan doesn't like to see that
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It's true that comparatively we haven't spent much in the last 20 years, however the TV income is now so huge it should go someway to reducing debt, buying player AND saving some for a stadium
Also McCarthy was bought with the Fellaini money, lukaku was as a result of the increased cash from TV
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 45 minutes ago
Ok cheers for the info.
Spurs, who keep finishing above Liverpool, can't compete with Liverpool?
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Financially.
Feck me, you guys are thick. Can't you read?
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I am sure they have spent over £100m in the last few seasons.....just like Liverpool. But I guess thats not enough
But the point is about how their model effects them on the pitch. You are saying it won't get them anywhere because of the financial power of the teams above them yet Spurs compete despite not having the finances.
Nobody is expecting Everton to compete for the title, and it'll be tough to compete for top four, but doing things the way the op is suggesting isn't a futile operation providing the young players are good enough and the money spent is invested well.
Everton don't have the finances to do what Liverpool have done and not get top four. They are much better off doing it this way.
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 45 minutes ago
Ok cheers for the info.
Spurs, who keep finishing above Liverpool, can't compete with Liverpool?
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Financially.
Feck me, you guys are thick. Can't you read?
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Imagine how far Spurs would be ahead of Liverpool if they had the same finances of Liverpool.
That new stadium they are building might just put them on a level footing with Liverpool financially thus they'd probably be the ones to threaten the big four more regular
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
But the point is about how their model effects them on the pitch. You are saying it won't get them anywhere because of the financial power of the teams above them yet Spurs compete despite not having the finances.
Nobody is expecting Everton to compete for the title, and it'll be tough to compete for top four, but doing things the way the op is suggesting isn't a futile operation providing the young players are good enough and the money spent is invested well.
Everton don't have the finances to do what Liverpool have done and not get top four. They are much better off doing it this way.
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Perfect response to someone who didn't understand the whole point of the OP and his original statement
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 19 minutes ago
But the point is about how their model effects them on the pitch. You are saying it won't get them anywhere because of the financial power of the teams above them yet Spurs compete despite not having the finances.
Nobody is expecting Everton to compete for the title, and it'll be tough to compete for top four, but doing things the way the op is suggesting isn't a futile operation providing the young players are good enough and the money spent is invested well.
Everton don't have the finances to do what Liverpool have done and not get top four. They are much better off doing it this way.
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Spurs don't compete, they finished fourth once a while back. We had a title challenge. Spurs haven't competed in decades, they won a couple of cups, Liverpool won loads. They don't compete with us as they can't compete financially. There will be blips here and there but that's not enough. Just like Liverpool can't compete with Chelsea but the odd blip like finishing above them a couple of seasons ago. It's not enough.
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 19 minutes ago
But the point is about how their model effects them on the pitch. You are saying it won't get them anywhere because of the financial power of the teams above them yet Spurs compete despite not having the finances.
Nobody is expecting Everton to compete for the title, and it'll be tough to compete for top four, but doing things the way the op is suggesting isn't a futile operation providing the young players are good enough and the money spent is invested well.
Everton don't have the finances to do what Liverpool have done and not get top four. They are much better off doing it this way.
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Spurs don't compete, they finished fourth once a while back. We had a title challenge. Spurs haven't competed in decades, they won a couple of cups, Liverpool won loads. They don't compete with us as they can't compete financially. There will be blips here and there but that's not enough. Just like Liverpool can't compete with Chelsea but the odd blip like finishing above them a couple of seasons ago. It's not enough.
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Spurs have finished above you more in the last 5 years than you have above them. I think you will find that Liverpool need to spend more to keep pace with Spurs.
Even if you do beat them twice a season, you finish behind them more often than not
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 19 minutes ago
But the point is about how their model effects them on the pitch. You are saying it won't get them anywhere because of the financial power of the teams above them yet Spurs compete despite not having the finances.
Nobody is expecting Everton to compete for the title, and it'll be tough to compete for top four, but doing things the way the op is suggesting isn't a futile operation providing the young players are good enough and the money spent is invested well.
Everton don't have the finances to do what Liverpool have done and not get top four. They are much better off doing it this way.
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Spurs don't compete, they finished fourth once a while back. We had a title challenge. Spurs haven't competed in decades, they won a couple of cups, Liverpool won loads. They don't compete with us as they can't compete financially. There will be blips here and there but that's not enough. Just like Liverpool can't compete with Chelsea but the odd blip like finishing above them a couple of seasons ago. It's not enough.
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Finishing ahead of Liverpool 5 out of the last 6 seasons those blips must sound like a heart monitor attached to someone whose just ran a marathon
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 19 minutes ago
But the point is about how their model effects them on the pitch. You are saying it won't get them anywhere because of the financial power of the teams above them yet Spurs compete despite not having the finances.
Nobody is expecting Everton to compete for the title, and it'll be tough to compete for top four, but doing things the way the op is suggesting isn't a futile operation providing the young players are good enough and the money spent is invested well.
Everton don't have the finances to do what Liverpool have done and not get top four. They are much better off doing it this way.
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Spurs don't compete, they finished fourth once a while back. We had a title challenge. Spurs haven't competed in decades, they won a couple of cups, Liverpool won loads. They don't compete with us as they can't compete financially. There will be blips here and there but that's not enough. Just like Liverpool can't compete with Chelsea but the odd blip like finishing above them a couple of seasons ago. It's not enough.
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Finishing ahead of Liverpool 5 out of the last 6 seasons those blips must sound like a heart monitor attached to someone whose just ran a marathon
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But they did have a blip, Spurs anyway letting Liverpool sneak to 2nd......
Then back to normal service again from the Pool. In fact I will nail my bet now that Liverpool end the season behind Spurs once again
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posted on 29/7/15
For a good 20 years now we haven't really spent much money. In that time we have neither saved money for a new stadium or reduced the debt. As far as marquee signings like lakaku, do you think we would have bought him with out selling fellaini?
Not convinced Martinez is the man to bring us success but I would rather be proved wrong than correct.
As far as youth coming through the ranks, which fan doesn't like to see that
posted on 29/7/15
We do appear to have the best crop of younger players for a very long time and many ready to make the step up from a good U21's side that have been together for a good few years. Moyes must take credit for the transformation of the youth setup - even if he was reluctant to trust the younger players at times.
Maybe what is said is correct, a blend of youth and expereince has worked for Liverpool and very well at Southampton. But is our first 11 good enough to integrate 1-2 for a good portion of the season??
posted on 29/7/15
How much debt are Everton actually in?
posted on 29/7/15
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 5 minutes ago
How much debt are Everton actually in?
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Roughly £30 million
posted on 29/7/15
You can't just rely on youth, only very few will actually be good enough. United in the early 90s was a one off which I doubt will ever be repeated. You need to spend money to compete, it's a simple as that.
posted on 29/7/15
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 10 seconds ago
You can't just rely on youth, only very few will actually be good enough. United in the early 90s was a one off which I doubt will ever be repeated. You need to spend money to compete, it's a simple as that.
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Classic mistake of not reading what has been posted TOOR.
He promotes following the recent sucess of Southampton and Liverpool of integrating good youth players with a better quality signing coming in and not 3-4 average ones
By promoting from within we can both save money on players we don't necessarily need (ie we currently need 2 cb's but purchasing one and promoting Galloway is Martinez's plan rather than buying two)
By doing this we then have more funds to
A: buy marquee players like Lukaku"
posted on 29/7/15
Not much then. You'd imagine with the new tv revenues that can be paid off quite quickly.
posted on 29/7/15
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
Not much then. You'd imagine with the new tv revenues that can be paid off quite quickly.
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depends if the board use it to paydown the debt, buy players or line their pockets with the cash windfall.
Premier league club with a Championship budget!
posted on 29/7/15
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
Not much then. You'd imagine with the new tv revenues that can be paid off quite quickly.
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You would imagine so but seems to linger around that much. Plus we have sold our training ground & now pay rent to the city council on it. Also we only make £3 million a year from merchandise (locked into a 10 year deal with kit bag) & on top of that also contracted out hospitality on match days.
posted on 29/7/15
I see.
Depends on the terms of the debt repayments as well I guess.
£30m isn't a lot of debt in today's money. Most football clubs have loads of debt.
How it hinders you financially compared to others I'm not sure of, however.
I agree with the article, by the way. Though it depends on how good the young players are, as well as what the goals are.
posted on 29/7/15
comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga... (U1308)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 10 seconds ago
You can't just rely on youth, only very few will actually be good enough. United in the early 90s was a one off which I doubt will ever be repeated. You need to spend money to compete, it's a simple as that.
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Classic mistake of not reading what has been posted TOOR.
He promotes following the recent sucess of Southampton and Liverpool of integrating good youth players with a better quality signing coming in and not 3-4 average ones
By promoting from within we can both save money on players we don't necessarily need (ie we currently need 2 cb's but purchasing one and promoting Galloway is Martinez's plan rather than buying two)
By doing this we then have more funds to
A: buy marquee players like Lukaku"
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I read what he said and disagreed it will get you anywhere. You need to spend loads of cash, as we did, to even get near to the top four. We're talking about City, United and Chelsea who spend massive sums and are loaded and Arsenal who have entered into a period of being loaded also. You then have Liverpool behind them, who can't compete with them but like you say try to integrate young players to close the gap but we still spend vast amounts of cash. Spurs try to do something similar to us but even can't compete with us and likewise Southampton. It's not enough. You need to spend big now. It's no longer just United who are loaded, the current top four are rolling in the cash and no longer restricted in spending it.
posted on 29/7/15
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 53 seconds ago
I see.
Depends on the terms of the debt repayments as well I guess.
£30m isn't a lot of debt in today's money. Most football clubs have loads of debt.
How it hinders you financially compared to others I'm not sure of, however.
I agree with the article, by the way. Though it depends on how good the young players are, as well as what the goals are.
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from what I understand a fair bit of the debt was loned on future season ticket sales and carries both high interest rates and probably (just my opinion) a ridiculously high early repayment fee.
posted on 29/7/15
Spurs have out performed Liverpool in the league for the last 4-5 years apart from a blip
posted on 29/7/15
Ok cheers for the info.
Spurs, who keep finishing above Liverpool, can't compete with Liverpool?
posted on 29/7/15
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 45 minutes ago
Ok cheers for the info.
Spurs, who keep finishing above Liverpool, can't compete with Liverpool?
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Financially.
Feck me, you guys are thick. Can't you read?
posted on 29/7/15
comment by Mr Reasonable (U2320)
posted 1 hour, 22 minutes ago
For a good 20 years now we haven't really spent much money. In that time we have neither saved money for a new stadium or reduced the debt. As far as marquee signings like lakaku, do you think we would have bought him with out selling fellaini?
Not convinced Martinez is the man to bring us success but I would rather be proved wrong than correct.
As far as youth coming through the ranks, which fan doesn't like to see that
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It's true that comparatively we haven't spent much in the last 20 years, however the TV income is now so huge it should go someway to reducing debt, buying player AND saving some for a stadium
Also McCarthy was bought with the Fellaini money, lukaku was as a result of the increased cash from TV
posted on 29/7/15
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 45 minutes ago
Ok cheers for the info.
Spurs, who keep finishing above Liverpool, can't compete with Liverpool?
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Financially.
Feck me, you guys are thick. Can't you read?
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I am sure they have spent over £100m in the last few seasons.....just like Liverpool. But I guess thats not enough
posted on 29/7/15
But the point is about how their model effects them on the pitch. You are saying it won't get them anywhere because of the financial power of the teams above them yet Spurs compete despite not having the finances.
Nobody is expecting Everton to compete for the title, and it'll be tough to compete for top four, but doing things the way the op is suggesting isn't a futile operation providing the young players are good enough and the money spent is invested well.
Everton don't have the finances to do what Liverpool have done and not get top four. They are much better off doing it this way.
posted on 29/7/15
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 45 minutes ago
Ok cheers for the info.
Spurs, who keep finishing above Liverpool, can't compete with Liverpool?
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Financially.
Feck me, you guys are thick. Can't you read?
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Imagine how far Spurs would be ahead of Liverpool if they had the same finances of Liverpool.
That new stadium they are building might just put them on a level footing with Liverpool financially thus they'd probably be the ones to threaten the big four more regular
posted on 29/7/15
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
But the point is about how their model effects them on the pitch. You are saying it won't get them anywhere because of the financial power of the teams above them yet Spurs compete despite not having the finances.
Nobody is expecting Everton to compete for the title, and it'll be tough to compete for top four, but doing things the way the op is suggesting isn't a futile operation providing the young players are good enough and the money spent is invested well.
Everton don't have the finances to do what Liverpool have done and not get top four. They are much better off doing it this way.
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Perfect response to someone who didn't understand the whole point of the OP and his original statement
posted on 29/7/15
Agreed Darren 👍
posted on 29/7/15
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 19 minutes ago
But the point is about how their model effects them on the pitch. You are saying it won't get them anywhere because of the financial power of the teams above them yet Spurs compete despite not having the finances.
Nobody is expecting Everton to compete for the title, and it'll be tough to compete for top four, but doing things the way the op is suggesting isn't a futile operation providing the young players are good enough and the money spent is invested well.
Everton don't have the finances to do what Liverpool have done and not get top four. They are much better off doing it this way.
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Spurs don't compete, they finished fourth once a while back. We had a title challenge. Spurs haven't competed in decades, they won a couple of cups, Liverpool won loads. They don't compete with us as they can't compete financially. There will be blips here and there but that's not enough. Just like Liverpool can't compete with Chelsea but the odd blip like finishing above them a couple of seasons ago. It's not enough.
posted on 29/7/15
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 19 minutes ago
But the point is about how their model effects them on the pitch. You are saying it won't get them anywhere because of the financial power of the teams above them yet Spurs compete despite not having the finances.
Nobody is expecting Everton to compete for the title, and it'll be tough to compete for top four, but doing things the way the op is suggesting isn't a futile operation providing the young players are good enough and the money spent is invested well.
Everton don't have the finances to do what Liverpool have done and not get top four. They are much better off doing it this way.
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Spurs don't compete, they finished fourth once a while back. We had a title challenge. Spurs haven't competed in decades, they won a couple of cups, Liverpool won loads. They don't compete with us as they can't compete financially. There will be blips here and there but that's not enough. Just like Liverpool can't compete with Chelsea but the odd blip like finishing above them a couple of seasons ago. It's not enough.
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Spurs have finished above you more in the last 5 years than you have above them. I think you will find that Liverpool need to spend more to keep pace with Spurs.
Even if you do beat them twice a season, you finish behind them more often than not
posted on 29/7/15
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 19 minutes ago
But the point is about how their model effects them on the pitch. You are saying it won't get them anywhere because of the financial power of the teams above them yet Spurs compete despite not having the finances.
Nobody is expecting Everton to compete for the title, and it'll be tough to compete for top four, but doing things the way the op is suggesting isn't a futile operation providing the young players are good enough and the money spent is invested well.
Everton don't have the finances to do what Liverpool have done and not get top four. They are much better off doing it this way.
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Spurs don't compete, they finished fourth once a while back. We had a title challenge. Spurs haven't competed in decades, they won a couple of cups, Liverpool won loads. They don't compete with us as they can't compete financially. There will be blips here and there but that's not enough. Just like Liverpool can't compete with Chelsea but the odd blip like finishing above them a couple of seasons ago. It's not enough.
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Finishing ahead of Liverpool 5 out of the last 6 seasons those blips must sound like a heart monitor attached to someone whose just ran a marathon
posted on 29/7/15
comment by phil neville has three left feet-je suis charlie (U13806)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 19 minutes ago
But the point is about how their model effects them on the pitch. You are saying it won't get them anywhere because of the financial power of the teams above them yet Spurs compete despite not having the finances.
Nobody is expecting Everton to compete for the title, and it'll be tough to compete for top four, but doing things the way the op is suggesting isn't a futile operation providing the young players are good enough and the money spent is invested well.
Everton don't have the finances to do what Liverpool have done and not get top four. They are much better off doing it this way.
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Spurs don't compete, they finished fourth once a while back. We had a title challenge. Spurs haven't competed in decades, they won a couple of cups, Liverpool won loads. They don't compete with us as they can't compete financially. There will be blips here and there but that's not enough. Just like Liverpool can't compete with Chelsea but the odd blip like finishing above them a couple of seasons ago. It's not enough.
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Finishing ahead of Liverpool 5 out of the last 6 seasons those blips must sound like a heart monitor attached to someone whose just ran a marathon
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But they did have a blip, Spurs anyway letting Liverpool sneak to 2nd......
Then back to normal service again from the Pool. In fact I will nail my bet now that Liverpool end the season behind Spurs once again
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