What are you on about? Of course they compete with Liverpool, they regularly finish above you.
comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga... (U1308)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 19 minutes ago
But the point is about how their model effects them on the pitch. You are saying it won't get them anywhere because of the financial power of the teams above them yet Spurs compete despite not having the finances.
Nobody is expecting Everton to compete for the title, and it'll be tough to compete for top four, but doing things the way the op is suggesting isn't a futile operation providing the young players are good enough and the money spent is invested well.
Everton don't have the finances to do what Liverpool have done and not get top four. They are much better off doing it this way.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Spurs don't compete, they finished fourth once a while back. We had a title challenge. Spurs haven't competed in decades, they won a couple of cups, Liverpool won loads. They don't compete with us as they can't compete financially. There will be blips here and there but that's not enough. Just like Liverpool can't compete with Chelsea but the odd blip like finishing above them a couple of seasons ago. It's not enough.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Spurs have finished above you more in the last 5 years than you have above them. I think you will find that Liverpool need to spend more to keep pace with Spurs.
Even if you do beat them twice a season, you finish behind them more often than not
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Finishing above us is not competing.
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga... (U1308)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 19 minutes ago
But the point is about how their model effects them on the pitch. You are saying it won't get them anywhere because of the financial power of the teams above them yet Spurs compete despite not having the finances.
Nobody is expecting Everton to compete for the title, and it'll be tough to compete for top four, but doing things the way the op is suggesting isn't a futile operation providing the young players are good enough and the money spent is invested well.
Everton don't have the finances to do what Liverpool have done and not get top four. They are much better off doing it this way.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Spurs don't compete, they finished fourth once a while back. We had a title challenge. Spurs haven't competed in decades, they won a couple of cups, Liverpool won loads. They don't compete with us as they can't compete financially. There will be blips here and there but that's not enough. Just like Liverpool can't compete with Chelsea but the odd blip like finishing above them a couple of seasons ago. It's not enough.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Spurs have finished above you more in the last 5 years than you have above them. I think you will find that Liverpool need to spend more to keep pace with Spurs.
Even if you do beat them twice a season, you finish behind them more often than not
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Finishing above us is not competing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So in essence you are saying that Liverpool dont compete then
Perfect
comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga... (U1308)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga... (U1308)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 19 minutes ago
But the point is about how their model effects them on the pitch. You are saying it won't get them anywhere because of the financial power of the teams above them yet Spurs compete despite not having the finances.
Nobody is expecting Everton to compete for the title, and it'll be tough to compete for top four, but doing things the way the op is suggesting isn't a futile operation providing the young players are good enough and the money spent is invested well.
Everton don't have the finances to do what Liverpool have done and not get top four. They are much better off doing it this way.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Spurs don't compete, they finished fourth once a while back. We had a title challenge. Spurs haven't competed in decades, they won a couple of cups, Liverpool won loads. They don't compete with us as they can't compete financially. There will be blips here and there but that's not enough. Just like Liverpool can't compete with Chelsea but the odd blip like finishing above them a couple of seasons ago. It's not enough.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Spurs have finished above you more in the last 5 years than you have above them. I think you will find that Liverpool need to spend more to keep pace with Spurs.
Even if you do beat them twice a season, you finish behind them more often than not
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Finishing above us is not competing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So in essence you are saying that Liverpool dont compete then
Perfect
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's what I said. Glad you finally understand. We can't compete with the top four, we try by getting players in young, to avoid the high fees and hoping they turn good, to blend in with some of the players we buy for high fees and thus have the odd blip, like finishing above Chelsea a couple of seasons back. The current top four can just buy ready made players. This means we will have a good season the odd time and many transition seasons. We need to get to a stage when we have a good squad and add a couple of players each season, like the current top three are at the moment.
Shall we go around in circles again and come back to this? I promise it will be a lot of fun.
How many 'transition' seasons have you been in now?
You could conclude then that the 2nd place you achieved was indeed a blip and your clubs natural position is somewhere between 5th-8th, behind the big clubs who compete season in season out for the league
comment by phil neville has three left feet-je suis charl... (U13806)
posted 1 minute ago
How many 'transition' seasons have you been in now?
You could conclude then that the 2nd place you achieved was indeed a blip and your clubs natural position is somewhere between 5th-8th, behind the big clubs who compete season in season out for the league
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Loads Phillip and that's the only way we can try to compete. We can't just blow £300m in one window(the transitional season) and add a couple of players each window like the others.
That's the point I've made. Everton aren't spending enough and thus won't compete. Using the youth players will only get you so far as you won't get a host of players good enough, all at once. You have to spend big.
Which clubs are these that have spent £300million in one window.
Can you list em with the amount they spent,so we can see why you can't compete financially with them.
In the long term it will be difficult for them to compete for top four on a consistent basis, I agree.
But given they can't just go out and spend their way into contention it's not that important.
What is being suggested is to hopefully allow them to get into a position to compete every now and again, providing it's executed well.
A team like Everton needs to look at other avenues to try and catch up as spending big isn't possible or sustianable for them.
The likelihood of them breaking into the top four is slim, especially on a consistent basis, but it doesn't mean that taking the route the op suggested is a flawed one as it's a model that suits them best and could contribute to them improving their financial footing.
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga... (U1308)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga... (U1308)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 19 minutes ago
But the point is about how their model effects them on the pitch. You are saying it won't get them anywhere because of the financial power of the teams above them yet Spurs compete despite not having the finances.
Nobody is expecting Everton to compete for the title, and it'll be tough to compete for top four, but doing things the way the op is suggesting isn't a futile operation providing the young players are good enough and the money spent is invested well.
Everton don't have the finances to do what Liverpool have done and not get top four. They are much better off doing it this way.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Spurs don't compete, they finished fourth once a while back. We had a title challenge. Spurs haven't competed in decades, they won a couple of cups, Liverpool won loads. They don't compete with us as they can't compete financially. There will be blips here and there but that's not enough. Just like Liverpool can't compete with Chelsea but the odd blip like finishing above them a couple of seasons ago. It's not enough.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Spurs have finished above you more in the last 5 years than you have above them. I think you will find that Liverpool need to spend more to keep pace with Spurs.
Even if you do beat them twice a season, you finish behind them more often than not
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Finishing above us is not competing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So in essence you are saying that Liverpool dont compete then
Perfect
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's what I said. Glad you finally understand. We can't compete with the top four, we try by getting players in young, to avoid the high fees and hoping they turn good, to blend in with some of the players we buy for high fees and thus have the odd blip, like finishing above Chelsea a couple of seasons back. The current top four can just buy ready made players. This means we will have a good season the odd time and many transition seasons. We need to get to a stage when we have a good squad and add a couple of players each season, like the current top three are at the moment.
Shall we go around in circles again and come back to this? I promise it will be a lot of fun.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Spending more than Spurs to not compete?
Brendan has taken the expectations of a great set of fans and ruined them
comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga... (U1308)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga... (U1308)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga... (U1308)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 19 minutes ago
But the point is about how their model effects them on the pitch. You are saying it won't get them anywhere because of the financial power of the teams above them yet Spurs compete despite not having the finances.
Nobody is expecting Everton to compete for the title, and it'll be tough to compete for top four, but doing things the way the op is suggesting isn't a futile operation providing the young players are good enough and the money spent is invested well.
Everton don't have the finances to do what Liverpool have done and not get top four. They are much better off doing it this way.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Spurs don't compete, they finished fourth once a while back. We had a title challenge. Spurs haven't competed in decades, they won a couple of cups, Liverpool won loads. They don't compete with us as they can't compete financially. There will be blips here and there but that's not enough. Just like Liverpool can't compete with Chelsea but the odd blip like finishing above them a couple of seasons ago. It's not enough.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Spurs have finished above you more in the last 5 years than you have above them. I think you will find that Liverpool need to spend more to keep pace with Spurs.
Even if you do beat them twice a season, you finish behind them more often than not
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Finishing above us is not competing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So in essence you are saying that Liverpool dont compete then
Perfect
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's what I said. Glad you finally understand. We can't compete with the top four, we try by getting players in young, to avoid the high fees and hoping they turn good, to blend in with some of the players we buy for high fees and thus have the odd blip, like finishing above Chelsea a couple of seasons back. The current top four can just buy ready made players. This means we will have a good season the odd time and many transition seasons. We need to get to a stage when we have a good squad and add a couple of players each season, like the current top three are at the moment.
Shall we go around in circles again and come back to this? I promise it will be a lot of fun.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Spending more than Spurs to not compete?
Brendan has taken the expectations of a great set of fans and ruined them
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But we did compete. Then we lost 75m worth of a player and had to transition again. The same was happening with Arsenal. Now they seem to be hanging on to their players hence them competing and even winning trophies. We need to hold on to our players when we get to that level again. I think we will be at a good level this season after a good spend. I don't think Spurs will as they haven't.
comment by phil neville has three left feet-je suis charlie (U13806)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
Which clubs are these that have spent £300million in one window.
Can you list em with the amount they spent,so we can see why you can't compete financially with them.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Still waiting for you to list the clubs that have spent £300million + in one transfer window TOOR
TOOR lost the plot now. Just usin Suarez as the excuse for finishing below Spurs.....
What happened when you had him and finished below them?
comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga... (U1308)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
TOOR lost the plot now. Just usin Suarez as the excuse for finishing below Spurs.....
What happened when you had him and finished below them?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't think Suarez alone is the reason we finished sixth. We signed a poor replacement and Sturridge got injured and it's easy to see where are problems where, we couldn't score enough goals. I think we have fixed that with Benteke but we'll have to wait and see.
Can't you read TOOR? Arouna is going on about the season before you finished 2nd when Liverpool with Suarez not only finished below Spurs,but they finished below Everton too.....would that have been a double blip transition year by any chance?
comment by phil neville has three left feet-je suis charl... (U13806)
posted 4 minutes ago
Can't you read TOOR? Arouna is going on about the season before you finished 2nd when Liverpool with Suarez not only finished below Spurs,but they finished below Everton too.....would that have been a double blip transition year by any chance?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Of course it was a transition, we had a new manager with new ideas which took a while to begin to work. It all clicked together before the start of the following season, with us being close to the title.
Liverpool have been in transition for 25 years.
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 18 seconds ago
Liverpool have been in transition for 25 years.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There have certainly been a lot of transition seasons but not 25, considering we've won nearly every trophy going during that time.
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by phil neville has three left feet-je suis charl... (U13806)
posted 4 minutes ago
Can't you read TOOR? Arouna is going on about the season before you finished 2nd when Liverpool with Suarez not only finished below Spurs,but they finished below Everton too.....would that have been a double blip transition year by any chance?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Of course it was a transition, we had a new manager with new ideas which took a while to begin to work. It all clicked together before the start of the following season, with us being close to the title.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So the seasons you do badly are seemingly 'transition' seasons,what was last season when you had one of the longest running managers at the helm? what will next season be a transition season or not?
What constitutes a transition season?
Please tell us all and at the same time can you give us that list of clubs who have spent £300million or more in a single transfer window please
comment by phil neville has three left feet-je suis charl... (U13806)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by phil neville has three left feet-je suis charl... (U13806)
posted 4 minutes ago
Can't you read TOOR? Arouna is going on about the season before you finished 2nd when Liverpool with Suarez not only finished below Spurs,but they finished below Everton too.....would that have been a double blip transition year by any chance?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Of course it was a transition, we had a new manager with new ideas which took a while to begin to work. It all clicked together before the start of the following season, with us being close to the title.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So the seasons you do badly are seemingly 'transition' seasons,what was last season when you had one of the longest running managers at the helm? what will next season be a transition season or not?
What constitutes a transition season?
Please tell us all and at the same time can you give us that list of clubs who have spent £300million or more in a single transfer window please
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Phillip I have no interest in getting involved in a long boring conversation with you. We both know how that goes. I say something, you reject it, we go around in circles then you start getting personal. I'll just agree to disagree here.
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 47 seconds ago
comment by phil neville has three left feet-je suis charl... (U13806)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by phil neville has three left feet-je suis charl... (U13806)
posted 4 minutes ago
Can't you read TOOR? Arouna is going on about the season before you finished 2nd when Liverpool with Suarez not only finished below Spurs,but they finished below Everton too.....would that have been a double blip transition year by any chance?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Of course it was a transition, we had a new manager with new ideas which took a while to begin to work. It all clicked together before the start of the following season, with us being close to the title.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So the seasons you do badly are seemingly 'transition' seasons,what was last season when you had one of the longest running managers at the helm? what will next season be a transition season or not?
What constitutes a transition season?
Please tell us all and at the same time can you give us that list of clubs who have spent £300million or more in a single transfer window please
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Phillip I have no interest in getting involved in a long boring conversation with you. We both know how that goes. I say something, you reject it, we go around in circles then you start getting personal. I'll just agree to disagree here.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You can put me in my place and make me look an idiot by simply telling us all the clubs that have spent £300million in a transfer window thus pricing Liverpool out of being genuine contenders.
Why are you passing up such a great opportunity to put me in my place?
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by phil neville has three left feet-je suis charl... (U13806)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by phil neville has three left feet-je suis charl... (U13806)
posted 4 minutes ago
Can't you read TOOR? Arouna is going on about the season before you finished 2nd when Liverpool with Suarez not only finished below Spurs,but they finished below Everton too.....would that have been a double blip transition year by any chance?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Of course it was a transition, we had a new manager with new ideas which took a while to begin to work. It all clicked together before the start of the following season, with us being close to the title.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So the seasons you do badly are seemingly 'transition' seasons,what was last season when you had one of the longest running managers at the helm? what will next season be a transition season or not?
What constitutes a transition season?
Please tell us all and at the same time can you give us that list of clubs who have spent £300million or more in a single transfer window please
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Phillip I have no interest in getting involved in a long boring conversation with you. We both know how that goes. I say something, you reject it, we go around in circles then you start getting personal. I'll just agree to disagree here.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So you default to your regular round in circle defence once you paint yourself into a corner.
You spend more than Spurs.....yet can't finish above them....but Spurs can't compete
Liverpool competed once when Suarez was playing out of his skin and others had once in a career seasons, before dropping to their normal level.
But how do you explain Spurs? They can't match Liverpool and then the big clubs for spending.
But 5 seasons out of 6 performed over 38 games better than Liverpool.
Surely they must have a Suarez type in the side?
Said it for years,Liverpool FC are the largest mid table club in World football.
Nothing that they have done over the last 20-25 years proves anything different
Sign in if you want to comment
Competing in a different way?
Page 2 of 3
posted on 29/7/15
What are you on about? Of course they compete with Liverpool, they regularly finish above you.
posted on 29/7/15
comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga... (U1308)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 19 minutes ago
But the point is about how their model effects them on the pitch. You are saying it won't get them anywhere because of the financial power of the teams above them yet Spurs compete despite not having the finances.
Nobody is expecting Everton to compete for the title, and it'll be tough to compete for top four, but doing things the way the op is suggesting isn't a futile operation providing the young players are good enough and the money spent is invested well.
Everton don't have the finances to do what Liverpool have done and not get top four. They are much better off doing it this way.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Spurs don't compete, they finished fourth once a while back. We had a title challenge. Spurs haven't competed in decades, they won a couple of cups, Liverpool won loads. They don't compete with us as they can't compete financially. There will be blips here and there but that's not enough. Just like Liverpool can't compete with Chelsea but the odd blip like finishing above them a couple of seasons ago. It's not enough.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Spurs have finished above you more in the last 5 years than you have above them. I think you will find that Liverpool need to spend more to keep pace with Spurs.
Even if you do beat them twice a season, you finish behind them more often than not
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Finishing above us is not competing.
posted on 29/7/15
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga... (U1308)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 19 minutes ago
But the point is about how their model effects them on the pitch. You are saying it won't get them anywhere because of the financial power of the teams above them yet Spurs compete despite not having the finances.
Nobody is expecting Everton to compete for the title, and it'll be tough to compete for top four, but doing things the way the op is suggesting isn't a futile operation providing the young players are good enough and the money spent is invested well.
Everton don't have the finances to do what Liverpool have done and not get top four. They are much better off doing it this way.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Spurs don't compete, they finished fourth once a while back. We had a title challenge. Spurs haven't competed in decades, they won a couple of cups, Liverpool won loads. They don't compete with us as they can't compete financially. There will be blips here and there but that's not enough. Just like Liverpool can't compete with Chelsea but the odd blip like finishing above them a couple of seasons ago. It's not enough.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Spurs have finished above you more in the last 5 years than you have above them. I think you will find that Liverpool need to spend more to keep pace with Spurs.
Even if you do beat them twice a season, you finish behind them more often than not
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Finishing above us is not competing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So in essence you are saying that Liverpool dont compete then
Perfect
posted on 29/7/15
comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga... (U1308)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga... (U1308)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 19 minutes ago
But the point is about how their model effects them on the pitch. You are saying it won't get them anywhere because of the financial power of the teams above them yet Spurs compete despite not having the finances.
Nobody is expecting Everton to compete for the title, and it'll be tough to compete for top four, but doing things the way the op is suggesting isn't a futile operation providing the young players are good enough and the money spent is invested well.
Everton don't have the finances to do what Liverpool have done and not get top four. They are much better off doing it this way.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Spurs don't compete, they finished fourth once a while back. We had a title challenge. Spurs haven't competed in decades, they won a couple of cups, Liverpool won loads. They don't compete with us as they can't compete financially. There will be blips here and there but that's not enough. Just like Liverpool can't compete with Chelsea but the odd blip like finishing above them a couple of seasons ago. It's not enough.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Spurs have finished above you more in the last 5 years than you have above them. I think you will find that Liverpool need to spend more to keep pace with Spurs.
Even if you do beat them twice a season, you finish behind them more often than not
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Finishing above us is not competing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So in essence you are saying that Liverpool dont compete then
Perfect
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's what I said. Glad you finally understand. We can't compete with the top four, we try by getting players in young, to avoid the high fees and hoping they turn good, to blend in with some of the players we buy for high fees and thus have the odd blip, like finishing above Chelsea a couple of seasons back. The current top four can just buy ready made players. This means we will have a good season the odd time and many transition seasons. We need to get to a stage when we have a good squad and add a couple of players each season, like the current top three are at the moment.
Shall we go around in circles again and come back to this? I promise it will be a lot of fun.
posted on 29/7/15
How many 'transition' seasons have you been in now?
You could conclude then that the 2nd place you achieved was indeed a blip and your clubs natural position is somewhere between 5th-8th, behind the big clubs who compete season in season out for the league
posted on 29/7/15
comment by phil neville has three left feet-je suis charl... (U13806)
posted 1 minute ago
How many 'transition' seasons have you been in now?
You could conclude then that the 2nd place you achieved was indeed a blip and your clubs natural position is somewhere between 5th-8th, behind the big clubs who compete season in season out for the league
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Loads Phillip and that's the only way we can try to compete. We can't just blow £300m in one window(the transitional season) and add a couple of players each window like the others.
That's the point I've made. Everton aren't spending enough and thus won't compete. Using the youth players will only get you so far as you won't get a host of players good enough, all at once. You have to spend big.
posted on 29/7/15
Which clubs are these that have spent £300million in one window.
Can you list em with the amount they spent,so we can see why you can't compete financially with them.
posted on 29/7/15
In the long term it will be difficult for them to compete for top four on a consistent basis, I agree.
But given they can't just go out and spend their way into contention it's not that important.
What is being suggested is to hopefully allow them to get into a position to compete every now and again, providing it's executed well.
A team like Everton needs to look at other avenues to try and catch up as spending big isn't possible or sustianable for them.
The likelihood of them breaking into the top four is slim, especially on a consistent basis, but it doesn't mean that taking the route the op suggested is a flawed one as it's a model that suits them best and could contribute to them improving their financial footing.
posted on 29/7/15
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga... (U1308)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga... (U1308)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 19 minutes ago
But the point is about how their model effects them on the pitch. You are saying it won't get them anywhere because of the financial power of the teams above them yet Spurs compete despite not having the finances.
Nobody is expecting Everton to compete for the title, and it'll be tough to compete for top four, but doing things the way the op is suggesting isn't a futile operation providing the young players are good enough and the money spent is invested well.
Everton don't have the finances to do what Liverpool have done and not get top four. They are much better off doing it this way.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Spurs don't compete, they finished fourth once a while back. We had a title challenge. Spurs haven't competed in decades, they won a couple of cups, Liverpool won loads. They don't compete with us as they can't compete financially. There will be blips here and there but that's not enough. Just like Liverpool can't compete with Chelsea but the odd blip like finishing above them a couple of seasons ago. It's not enough.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Spurs have finished above you more in the last 5 years than you have above them. I think you will find that Liverpool need to spend more to keep pace with Spurs.
Even if you do beat them twice a season, you finish behind them more often than not
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Finishing above us is not competing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So in essence you are saying that Liverpool dont compete then
Perfect
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's what I said. Glad you finally understand. We can't compete with the top four, we try by getting players in young, to avoid the high fees and hoping they turn good, to blend in with some of the players we buy for high fees and thus have the odd blip, like finishing above Chelsea a couple of seasons back. The current top four can just buy ready made players. This means we will have a good season the odd time and many transition seasons. We need to get to a stage when we have a good squad and add a couple of players each season, like the current top three are at the moment.
Shall we go around in circles again and come back to this? I promise it will be a lot of fun.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Spending more than Spurs to not compete?
Brendan has taken the expectations of a great set of fans and ruined them
posted on 29/7/15
comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga... (U1308)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga... (U1308)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga... (U1308)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 19 minutes ago
But the point is about how their model effects them on the pitch. You are saying it won't get them anywhere because of the financial power of the teams above them yet Spurs compete despite not having the finances.
Nobody is expecting Everton to compete for the title, and it'll be tough to compete for top four, but doing things the way the op is suggesting isn't a futile operation providing the young players are good enough and the money spent is invested well.
Everton don't have the finances to do what Liverpool have done and not get top four. They are much better off doing it this way.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Spurs don't compete, they finished fourth once a while back. We had a title challenge. Spurs haven't competed in decades, they won a couple of cups, Liverpool won loads. They don't compete with us as they can't compete financially. There will be blips here and there but that's not enough. Just like Liverpool can't compete with Chelsea but the odd blip like finishing above them a couple of seasons ago. It's not enough.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Spurs have finished above you more in the last 5 years than you have above them. I think you will find that Liverpool need to spend more to keep pace with Spurs.
Even if you do beat them twice a season, you finish behind them more often than not
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Finishing above us is not competing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So in essence you are saying that Liverpool dont compete then
Perfect
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's what I said. Glad you finally understand. We can't compete with the top four, we try by getting players in young, to avoid the high fees and hoping they turn good, to blend in with some of the players we buy for high fees and thus have the odd blip, like finishing above Chelsea a couple of seasons back. The current top four can just buy ready made players. This means we will have a good season the odd time and many transition seasons. We need to get to a stage when we have a good squad and add a couple of players each season, like the current top three are at the moment.
Shall we go around in circles again and come back to this? I promise it will be a lot of fun.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Spending more than Spurs to not compete?
Brendan has taken the expectations of a great set of fans and ruined them
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But we did compete. Then we lost 75m worth of a player and had to transition again. The same was happening with Arsenal. Now they seem to be hanging on to their players hence them competing and even winning trophies. We need to hold on to our players when we get to that level again. I think we will be at a good level this season after a good spend. I don't think Spurs will as they haven't.
posted on 29/7/15
comment by phil neville has three left feet-je suis charlie (U13806)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
Which clubs are these that have spent £300million in one window.
Can you list em with the amount they spent,so we can see why you can't compete financially with them.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Still waiting for you to list the clubs that have spent £300million + in one transfer window TOOR
posted on 29/7/15
TOOR lost the plot now. Just usin Suarez as the excuse for finishing below Spurs.....
What happened when you had him and finished below them?
posted on 29/7/15
comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga... (U1308)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
TOOR lost the plot now. Just usin Suarez as the excuse for finishing below Spurs.....
What happened when you had him and finished below them?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't think Suarez alone is the reason we finished sixth. We signed a poor replacement and Sturridge got injured and it's easy to see where are problems where, we couldn't score enough goals. I think we have fixed that with Benteke but we'll have to wait and see.
posted on 29/7/15
Can't you read TOOR? Arouna is going on about the season before you finished 2nd when Liverpool with Suarez not only finished below Spurs,but they finished below Everton too.....would that have been a double blip transition year by any chance?
posted on 29/7/15
comment by phil neville has three left feet-je suis charl... (U13806)
posted 4 minutes ago
Can't you read TOOR? Arouna is going on about the season before you finished 2nd when Liverpool with Suarez not only finished below Spurs,but they finished below Everton too.....would that have been a double blip transition year by any chance?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Of course it was a transition, we had a new manager with new ideas which took a while to begin to work. It all clicked together before the start of the following season, with us being close to the title.
posted on 29/7/15
Liverpool have been in transition for 25 years.
posted on 29/7/15
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 18 seconds ago
Liverpool have been in transition for 25 years.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There have certainly been a lot of transition seasons but not 25, considering we've won nearly every trophy going during that time.
posted on 29/7/15
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by phil neville has three left feet-je suis charl... (U13806)
posted 4 minutes ago
Can't you read TOOR? Arouna is going on about the season before you finished 2nd when Liverpool with Suarez not only finished below Spurs,but they finished below Everton too.....would that have been a double blip transition year by any chance?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Of course it was a transition, we had a new manager with new ideas which took a while to begin to work. It all clicked together before the start of the following season, with us being close to the title.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So the seasons you do badly are seemingly 'transition' seasons,what was last season when you had one of the longest running managers at the helm? what will next season be a transition season or not?
What constitutes a transition season?
Please tell us all and at the same time can you give us that list of clubs who have spent £300million or more in a single transfer window please
posted on 29/7/15
comment by phil neville has three left feet-je suis charl... (U13806)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by phil neville has three left feet-je suis charl... (U13806)
posted 4 minutes ago
Can't you read TOOR? Arouna is going on about the season before you finished 2nd when Liverpool with Suarez not only finished below Spurs,but they finished below Everton too.....would that have been a double blip transition year by any chance?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Of course it was a transition, we had a new manager with new ideas which took a while to begin to work. It all clicked together before the start of the following season, with us being close to the title.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So the seasons you do badly are seemingly 'transition' seasons,what was last season when you had one of the longest running managers at the helm? what will next season be a transition season or not?
What constitutes a transition season?
Please tell us all and at the same time can you give us that list of clubs who have spent £300million or more in a single transfer window please
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Phillip I have no interest in getting involved in a long boring conversation with you. We both know how that goes. I say something, you reject it, we go around in circles then you start getting personal. I'll just agree to disagree here.
posted on 29/7/15
25 of them apparently.
posted on 29/7/15
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 47 seconds ago
comment by phil neville has three left feet-je suis charl... (U13806)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by phil neville has three left feet-je suis charl... (U13806)
posted 4 minutes ago
Can't you read TOOR? Arouna is going on about the season before you finished 2nd when Liverpool with Suarez not only finished below Spurs,but they finished below Everton too.....would that have been a double blip transition year by any chance?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Of course it was a transition, we had a new manager with new ideas which took a while to begin to work. It all clicked together before the start of the following season, with us being close to the title.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So the seasons you do badly are seemingly 'transition' seasons,what was last season when you had one of the longest running managers at the helm? what will next season be a transition season or not?
What constitutes a transition season?
Please tell us all and at the same time can you give us that list of clubs who have spent £300million or more in a single transfer window please
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Phillip I have no interest in getting involved in a long boring conversation with you. We both know how that goes. I say something, you reject it, we go around in circles then you start getting personal. I'll just agree to disagree here.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You can put me in my place and make me look an idiot by simply telling us all the clubs that have spent £300million in a transfer window thus pricing Liverpool out of being genuine contenders.
Why are you passing up such a great opportunity to put me in my place?
posted on 29/7/15
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by phil neville has three left feet-je suis charl... (U13806)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by phil neville has three left feet-je suis charl... (U13806)
posted 4 minutes ago
Can't you read TOOR? Arouna is going on about the season before you finished 2nd when Liverpool with Suarez not only finished below Spurs,but they finished below Everton too.....would that have been a double blip transition year by any chance?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Of course it was a transition, we had a new manager with new ideas which took a while to begin to work. It all clicked together before the start of the following season, with us being close to the title.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So the seasons you do badly are seemingly 'transition' seasons,what was last season when you had one of the longest running managers at the helm? what will next season be a transition season or not?
What constitutes a transition season?
Please tell us all and at the same time can you give us that list of clubs who have spent £300million or more in a single transfer window please
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Phillip I have no interest in getting involved in a long boring conversation with you. We both know how that goes. I say something, you reject it, we go around in circles then you start getting personal. I'll just agree to disagree here.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So you default to your regular round in circle defence once you paint yourself into a corner.
You spend more than Spurs.....yet can't finish above them....but Spurs can't compete
posted on 29/7/15
Liverpool competed once when Suarez was playing out of his skin and others had once in a career seasons, before dropping to their normal level.
posted on 29/7/15
But how do you explain Spurs? They can't match Liverpool and then the big clubs for spending.
But 5 seasons out of 6 performed over 38 games better than Liverpool.
Surely they must have a Suarez type in the side?
posted on 29/7/15
Said it for years,Liverpool FC are the largest mid table club in World football.
Nothing that they have done over the last 20-25 years proves anything different
Page 2 of 3