Bellerin and Alaba in the same sentence? The only thing they have in common is pace.
comment by Sheriff John Brown - bring back David Dein (U7482)
posted 17 seconds ago
Bellerin and Alaba in the same sentence? The only thing they have in common is pace.
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I was leaning more on the youth and promise side but hey...opinions.
comment by Viviano's Debut (U19138)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Tu Meke Santi (U3732)
posted 0 seconds ago
Bellerin is a rubbish defender, I have always maintained this. It's weird how people don't see it. His pace and his dribbling going forward bail him out, it seems.
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His pace (actually his acceleration) is a an unfair advantage, and a welcome one at that.
I don't care how it look before he has to make up ground. I care that he does.
I care that he has everything he needs to kick on and be quality enough to make barca have to feck of with that "DNA bull" soon.
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Yeah, we seem to get away with it, which is fine because... We're getting away with it. I'm never confident with him though. Much prefer Debuchy.
No one said that Bellerin is world class by now. He is unexperienced and will make mistake as any other defender. People who cant see his class are blind as I said before. And no me thinking he is class by now has absolute nothing to do with his passport.
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And no one is asking for him to be shipped off and discarded. The point being made is that he's probably not ready or good enough YET to be a regular starter in a team with title aspirations.
Truth is it doesn't even matter much. If he turns out to be a flash in the pan with second season syndrome we still have 2 good years to expect from Debuchy.
That's depth.
Key difference is if debuchy stays fit all season Hector won't be angling for a transfer come June, as opposed to Felipe Luis.
I was leaning more on the youth and promise side but hey...opinions.
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And you'd still be wrong. Alaba was a star at Bellerin's age. An incredibly mature beast of a player. Not in the same league at all.
comment by Sheriff John Brown - bring back David Dein (U7482)
posted 3 minutes ago
Bellerin and Alaba in the same sentence? The only thing they have in common is pace.
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He wasn't perfect, but Bellerin's movement on Sunday looked quite decent IMO. He stuck to his position and trusted the midfielders with getting the ball forward.
He also helped Cazorla and Coq mop up in midfield.
comment by Sheriff John Brown - bring back David Dein (U7482)
posted 1 second ago
No one said that Bellerin is world class by now. He is unexperienced and will make mistake as any other defender. People who cant see his class are blind as I said before. And no me thinking he is class by now has absolute nothing to do with his passport.
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And no one is asking for him to be shipped off and discarded. The point being made is that he's probably not ready or good enough YET to be a regular starter in a team with title aspirations.
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But he showed himself to be good enough last season when he played the bulk of the second half of it.
You are stuck on reputations again. He played well last season. has played 2 finals. Didn't bottle it in either.
Where exactly is this opinion coming from?
He was pretty bad in the loss to Dortmund away, but that was a bit of a baptism of fire. He's come on leaps and bounds, even scoring 3 goals. Come on.
It's weird I had these kind of arguments about Chambers last season until Montero happened. People missing out on glaring deficiencies until is was brutally exposed before the world. Even now, some still talk up Chambers even though he doesn't even make thr squad anymore.
And you'd still be wrong. Alaba was a star at Bellerin's age. An incredibly mature beast of a player. Not in the same league at all.
what?
Why can't people just rate what we have already instead looking at other clubs is embarrassing.
Every player who is playing for Bayern Munich for example get massively overrated.
comment by Sheriff John Brown - bring back David Dein (U7482)
posted 24 minutes ago
I was leaning more on the youth and promise side but hey...opinions.
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And you'd still be wrong. Alaba was a star at Bellerin's age. An incredibly mature beast of a player. Not in the same league at all.
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I've seen Alaba play at LB, RB, RM,CM,CDM and up both wings. A truly versatile player.
Having said that, I still entertain the thought of using Bellerin in some advanced role down the right flank. He overlaps and cuts into the opposing box like a natural.
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 4 minutes ago
And you'd still be wrong. Alaba was a star at Bellerin's age. An incredibly mature beast of a player. Not in the same league at all.
what?
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You are arguing a different point to the one I was making.
Alaba showed promise and got the nod. He got better and is now considered by you to be "An incredibly mature beast of a player".
Time.
Whether Hector grows to be a similar fullback before 24 doesn't matter. He shows promise and should be (and thankfully is being) given a chance.
I am shocked that some of you have such little confidence?
The early part of last season was a mess but the situation is incomparable to now.
We have added Bellerin, Coq, Gabriel and Cech to the defensive setup. Monreal has improved greatly.
Players who missed 3 odd months last year: Ozil, Giroud, Ramsey, Debuchy, Theo, Ox, Wilshere, Arteta, Gnabry. The rest missed games too.
If we are to assume that injury nightmare is only half as bad I think we are in a great position to cope.
Like Viviano said, no one else stands out. We need 2-3 players to start matching up to Barca, Real, Bayern but I see no better squad at Chelsea or City than ours.
I'd imagine after he made his breakthrough in 2012 you fans would have been angling for a "Top star" in his place had you been Bayern fans.
Except you think he was world class from his first ever game. I know I don't.
Ffs. This thread is full of straw men.
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 10 minutes ago
Why can't people just rate what we have already instead looking at other clubs is embarrassing.
Every player who is playing for Bayern Munich for example get massively overrated.
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Very well then.
Sanchez, Bellerin, Kos, Coq > Ribery, Bernat/Rafinha, Dante, Martinez
comment by Viviano's Debut (U19138)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 4 minutes ago
And you'd still be wrong. Alaba was a star at Bellerin's age. An incredibly mature beast of a player. Not in the same league at all.
what?
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You are arguing a different point to the one I was making.
Alaba showed promise and got the nod. He got better and is now considered by you to be "An incredibly mature beast of a player".
Time.
Whether Hector grows to be a similar fullback before 24 doesn't matter. He shows promise and should be (and thankfully is being) given a chance.
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I didnt response to you. It was a response to Sheriffs comments before.
comment by Tu Meke Santi (U3732)
posted 25 minutes ago
Ffs. This thread is full of straw men.
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Too much absolutist politics if you ask me.
Preseason is a time for experimentation and change. Anyone who uses phrases like "you people" on a thread needs to calm down.
Oh, look. GT the wannabe German expert. My comment had fack all to do with overrating Bayern players. Alaba doesn't belong in the same sentence with Bellerin and Hector hasn't demonstrated anything close to a 20/21 year-old Alaba. Bellerin has more in common with a 20-year-old Kyle Walker. They were creaming about the guy and the PFA mugs even made him Young Player of the Year ahead of facking Aguero. But anyone who could sift through the ludicrous hype would have seen glaring weaknesses in Walker's game.
"Whether Hector grows to be a similar fullback before 24 doesn't matter. He shows promise and should be (and thankfully is being) given a chance."
Giving a promising player a "chance" at the expense of improving the team is the same mess that turned us into a self-parody for years. Big teams are perfectly capable of bringing through young stars while plugging the gaps in the team. If there are better options in the market, there's no reason not to go for it. Else, we shouldn't have bothered signing Cech.
Oh look....who is showing up....the by the media brainwashed tool Sheriff...
I didnt even compare Bellerin to Alaba. I didnt say that Alaba is bad or something...To make of him a Messiahs is over the top.
Of course you can make comparison between Bellerin and Alaba.
When Alaba joined Bayern he didnt even had a sniff in Bayern's first team. He was booed off in some home games. This is how bad he was.
Alaba took his chance similar to Bellerin when the player who played in that position got injured.
You obviously knowing Alaba only from the CL games where he was brilliant in certain games.
And yes....I trust myself to have a good knowledge of German Football in general.
comment by Sheriff John Brown - bring back David Dein (U7482)
posted 27 minutes ago
"Whether Hector grows to be a similar fullback before 24 doesn't matter. He shows promise and should be (and thankfully is being) given a chance."
Giving a promising player a "chance" at the expense of improving the team is the same mess that turned us into a self-parody for years. Big teams are perfectly capable of bringing through young stars while plugging the gaps in the team. If there are better options in the market, there's no reason not to go for it. Else, we shouldn't have bothered signing Cech.
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How.
How are you ignoring the fact that needs must was what caused a lot of our punts with young players before.
Hoyte, Djourou, Bendtner etc never had anyone fooled. We had no money to buy better and there was no point signing a marginally better player when we could invest internally and reap the reward of an actual transfer fee when these players moved on.
One more time.
Arsenal did not have money to take punts at the Canas, Melos and Gourcuffs of this world.
Even when we (often) got it right they were gone within 3 years because we still didn't have the money to pay them the competitive wages they deserved.
We didn't have money to compete. Heck we barely have now. That you had to endure bants from rival fans as a result doesn't change the circumstances.
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 5 minutes ago
Oh look....who is showing up....the by the media brainwashed tool Sheriff...
I didnt even compare Bellerin to Alaba. I didnt say that Alaba is bad or something...To make of him a Messiahs is over the top.
Of course you can make comparison between Bellerin and Alaba.
When Alaba joined Bayern he didnt even had a sniff in Bayern's first team. He was booed off in some home games. This is how bad he was.
Alaba took his chance similar to Bellerin when the player who played in that position got injured.
You obviously knowing Alaba only from the CL games where he was brilliant in certain games.
And yes....I trust myself to have a good knowledge of German Football in general.
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Garden variety greener grass. I wouldn't think much of it.
Brilliant article Viviano btw.
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posted on 4/8/15
Bellerin and Alaba in the same sentence? The only thing they have in common is pace.
posted on 4/8/15
comment by Sheriff John Brown - bring back David Dein (U7482)
posted 17 seconds ago
Bellerin and Alaba in the same sentence? The only thing they have in common is pace.
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I was leaning more on the youth and promise side but hey...opinions.
posted on 4/8/15
comment by Viviano's Debut (U19138)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Tu Meke Santi (U3732)
posted 0 seconds ago
Bellerin is a rubbish defender, I have always maintained this. It's weird how people don't see it. His pace and his dribbling going forward bail him out, it seems.
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His pace (actually his acceleration) is a an unfair advantage, and a welcome one at that.
I don't care how it look before he has to make up ground. I care that he does.
I care that he has everything he needs to kick on and be quality enough to make barca have to feck of with that "DNA bull" soon.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah, we seem to get away with it, which is fine because... We're getting away with it. I'm never confident with him though. Much prefer Debuchy.
posted on 4/8/15
No one said that Bellerin is world class by now. He is unexperienced and will make mistake as any other defender. People who cant see his class are blind as I said before. And no me thinking he is class by now has absolute nothing to do with his passport.
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And no one is asking for him to be shipped off and discarded. The point being made is that he's probably not ready or good enough YET to be a regular starter in a team with title aspirations.
posted on 4/8/15
Truth is it doesn't even matter much. If he turns out to be a flash in the pan with second season syndrome we still have 2 good years to expect from Debuchy.
That's depth.
Key difference is if debuchy stays fit all season Hector won't be angling for a transfer come June, as opposed to Felipe Luis.
posted on 4/8/15
I was leaning more on the youth and promise side but hey...opinions.
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And you'd still be wrong. Alaba was a star at Bellerin's age. An incredibly mature beast of a player. Not in the same league at all.
posted on 4/8/15
comment by Sheriff John Brown - bring back David Dein (U7482)
posted 3 minutes ago
Bellerin and Alaba in the same sentence? The only thing they have in common is pace.
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He wasn't perfect, but Bellerin's movement on Sunday looked quite decent IMO. He stuck to his position and trusted the midfielders with getting the ball forward.
He also helped Cazorla and Coq mop up in midfield.
posted on 4/8/15
comment by Sheriff John Brown - bring back David Dein (U7482)
posted 1 second ago
No one said that Bellerin is world class by now. He is unexperienced and will make mistake as any other defender. People who cant see his class are blind as I said before. And no me thinking he is class by now has absolute nothing to do with his passport.
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And no one is asking for him to be shipped off and discarded. The point being made is that he's probably not ready or good enough YET to be a regular starter in a team with title aspirations.
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But he showed himself to be good enough last season when he played the bulk of the second half of it.
You are stuck on reputations again. He played well last season. has played 2 finals. Didn't bottle it in either.
Where exactly is this opinion coming from?
He was pretty bad in the loss to Dortmund away, but that was a bit of a baptism of fire. He's come on leaps and bounds, even scoring 3 goals. Come on.
posted on 4/8/15
It's weird I had these kind of arguments about Chambers last season until Montero happened. People missing out on glaring deficiencies until is was brutally exposed before the world. Even now, some still talk up Chambers even though he doesn't even make thr squad anymore.
posted on 4/8/15
And you'd still be wrong. Alaba was a star at Bellerin's age. An incredibly mature beast of a player. Not in the same league at all.
what?
posted on 4/8/15
Why can't people just rate what we have already instead looking at other clubs is embarrassing.
Every player who is playing for Bayern Munich for example get massively overrated.
posted on 4/8/15
comment by Sheriff John Brown - bring back David Dein (U7482)
posted 24 minutes ago
I was leaning more on the youth and promise side but hey...opinions.
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And you'd still be wrong. Alaba was a star at Bellerin's age. An incredibly mature beast of a player. Not in the same league at all.
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I've seen Alaba play at LB, RB, RM,CM,CDM and up both wings. A truly versatile player.
Having said that, I still entertain the thought of using Bellerin in some advanced role down the right flank. He overlaps and cuts into the opposing box like a natural.
posted on 4/8/15
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 4 minutes ago
And you'd still be wrong. Alaba was a star at Bellerin's age. An incredibly mature beast of a player. Not in the same league at all.
what?
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You are arguing a different point to the one I was making.
Alaba showed promise and got the nod. He got better and is now considered by you to be "An incredibly mature beast of a player".
Time.
Whether Hector grows to be a similar fullback before 24 doesn't matter. He shows promise and should be (and thankfully is being) given a chance.
posted on 4/8/15
I am shocked that some of you have such little confidence?
The early part of last season was a mess but the situation is incomparable to now.
We have added Bellerin, Coq, Gabriel and Cech to the defensive setup. Monreal has improved greatly.
Players who missed 3 odd months last year: Ozil, Giroud, Ramsey, Debuchy, Theo, Ox, Wilshere, Arteta, Gnabry. The rest missed games too.
If we are to assume that injury nightmare is only half as bad I think we are in a great position to cope.
Like Viviano said, no one else stands out. We need 2-3 players to start matching up to Barca, Real, Bayern but I see no better squad at Chelsea or City than ours.
posted on 4/8/15
I'd imagine after he made his breakthrough in 2012 you fans would have been angling for a "Top star" in his place had you been Bayern fans.
Except you think he was world class from his first ever game. I know I don't.
posted on 4/8/15
Ffs. This thread is full of straw men.
posted on 4/8/15
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 10 minutes ago
Why can't people just rate what we have already instead looking at other clubs is embarrassing.
Every player who is playing for Bayern Munich for example get massively overrated.
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Very well then.
Sanchez, Bellerin, Kos, Coq > Ribery, Bernat/Rafinha, Dante, Martinez
posted on 4/8/15
comment by Viviano's Debut (U19138)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 4 minutes ago
And you'd still be wrong. Alaba was a star at Bellerin's age. An incredibly mature beast of a player. Not in the same league at all.
what?
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You are arguing a different point to the one I was making.
Alaba showed promise and got the nod. He got better and is now considered by you to be "An incredibly mature beast of a player".
Time.
Whether Hector grows to be a similar fullback before 24 doesn't matter. He shows promise and should be (and thankfully is being) given a chance.
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I didnt response to you. It was a response to Sheriffs comments before.
posted on 4/8/15
comment by Tu Meke Santi (U3732)
posted 25 minutes ago
Ffs. This thread is full of straw men.
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Too much absolutist politics if you ask me.
Preseason is a time for experimentation and change. Anyone who uses phrases like "you people" on a thread needs to calm down.
posted on 4/8/15
Oh, look. GT the wannabe German expert. My comment had fack all to do with overrating Bayern players. Alaba doesn't belong in the same sentence with Bellerin and Hector hasn't demonstrated anything close to a 20/21 year-old Alaba. Bellerin has more in common with a 20-year-old Kyle Walker. They were creaming about the guy and the PFA mugs even made him Young Player of the Year ahead of facking Aguero. But anyone who could sift through the ludicrous hype would have seen glaring weaknesses in Walker's game.
posted on 4/8/15
"Whether Hector grows to be a similar fullback before 24 doesn't matter. He shows promise and should be (and thankfully is being) given a chance."
Giving a promising player a "chance" at the expense of improving the team is the same mess that turned us into a self-parody for years. Big teams are perfectly capable of bringing through young stars while plugging the gaps in the team. If there are better options in the market, there's no reason not to go for it. Else, we shouldn't have bothered signing Cech.
posted on 4/8/15
Oh look....who is showing up....the by the media brainwashed tool Sheriff...
I didnt even compare Bellerin to Alaba. I didnt say that Alaba is bad or something...To make of him a Messiahs is over the top.
Of course you can make comparison between Bellerin and Alaba.
When Alaba joined Bayern he didnt even had a sniff in Bayern's first team. He was booed off in some home games. This is how bad he was.
Alaba took his chance similar to Bellerin when the player who played in that position got injured.
You obviously knowing Alaba only from the CL games where he was brilliant in certain games.
And yes....I trust myself to have a good knowledge of German Football in general.
posted on 4/8/15
comment by Sheriff John Brown - bring back David Dein (U7482)
posted 27 minutes ago
"Whether Hector grows to be a similar fullback before 24 doesn't matter. He shows promise and should be (and thankfully is being) given a chance."
Giving a promising player a "chance" at the expense of improving the team is the same mess that turned us into a self-parody for years. Big teams are perfectly capable of bringing through young stars while plugging the gaps in the team. If there are better options in the market, there's no reason not to go for it. Else, we shouldn't have bothered signing Cech.
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How.
How are you ignoring the fact that needs must was what caused a lot of our punts with young players before.
Hoyte, Djourou, Bendtner etc never had anyone fooled. We had no money to buy better and there was no point signing a marginally better player when we could invest internally and reap the reward of an actual transfer fee when these players moved on.
One more time.
Arsenal did not have money to take punts at the Canas, Melos and Gourcuffs of this world.
Even when we (often) got it right they were gone within 3 years because we still didn't have the money to pay them the competitive wages they deserved.
We didn't have money to compete. Heck we barely have now. That you had to endure bants from rival fans as a result doesn't change the circumstances.
posted on 4/8/15
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 5 minutes ago
Oh look....who is showing up....the by the media brainwashed tool Sheriff...
I didnt even compare Bellerin to Alaba. I didnt say that Alaba is bad or something...To make of him a Messiahs is over the top.
Of course you can make comparison between Bellerin and Alaba.
When Alaba joined Bayern he didnt even had a sniff in Bayern's first team. He was booed off in some home games. This is how bad he was.
Alaba took his chance similar to Bellerin when the player who played in that position got injured.
You obviously knowing Alaba only from the CL games where he was brilliant in certain games.
And yes....I trust myself to have a good knowledge of German Football in general.
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Garden variety greener grass. I wouldn't think much of it.
posted on 4/8/15
Brilliant article Viviano btw.
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