How can you hammer Giroud but at the same time refuse to be critical of Ozil.
Giroud cost what £12M and has performed to his level while at arsenal.
For the hype and rep Ozil came with, he has arguably one of the biggests let downs in wengers time
Little excuses for Giroud tho. He's a CF that gets all the opportunities in the world for us yet misses a high percentage of them.
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Giroud had one of the best conversion rates out of PL strikers last season, sure I remember reading that. These theories are based on BS and not actual facts. And Darren is spot on
He had all the time in the world in Spain and he could always find Ronaldo
Just can't deal with the English pressing game
Did you watch payet for west ham
Absolutely schooled Ozil. Just put on sky and have a look at Silva and how he completely dominates games
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
Ozil being shiiiit because if Giroud is one of the biggest myths on here.
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No it isn't.
If Ozil is highest assist maker in Europe last 5 years mostly coming from through ball plays then how do you expect him to do what his best at with a CF that doesn't run?
People say Cazorla played with him and did better but forget he was put out to the flanks and wasn't at #10 most that season and also was with Theo in his best season to date (someone who runs in behind at will)
Ozil is yet to even have that luxury of playing consistently with Theo which I'm sure would see him do a lot more.
Wenger plays Ozil with another playmaking wide player, Alexis (who always comes to feet) then Giroud. Neither make unselfish runs on a consistent basis so Ozil's best use has been Ramsey.
Ozil has been held back by Giroud and Wenger, it's as simple as that. Giroud has been fortunate at Arsenal and still remains questionable.
Ozil is this amazing world class player that is poor in most facets of his game since moving to Arsenal because Giroud won't run in behind.
Say that outloud to yourself and you'll see how hilarious it is.
It does limit him, I don't think that can be denied, but to blame his performances for Arsenal on Giroud is ridiculous. And if it is indeed true, which it isn't, then it kind of suggests Ozil is a limited player given that one striker can reduce him to this.
comment by Castor Troy (U8700)
posted 1 minute ago
Did you watch payet for west ham
Absolutely schooled Ozil. Just put on sky and have a look at Silva and how he completely dominates games
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Put Ozil in a team with Bony/Aguero, Sterling, Navas who all make runs and watch him dominate them too.
Absolutely stupid situation comparison considering the options they all have. Same with Cesc who has Costa.
Don't expect less from you given your idiotic history tho Castor. Still think Theo's better than Alexis you utter idiot?
So why has cazorla not had similar issues with Giroud.
He has been deployed out with, deep and in the 10 role and he is always one of our best players ever season.
Well, the debate now is who's dragging who down??
Giroud is $hiiitte because of Ozil? Or vice versa?
Come on...
Anyway, all the better ones are just taken, not available, or out our budget. The remaining ones in the market are inferior to Giroud... that's what I heard most.
If we really cannot get someone who is better than Giroud, then we have to accept the fact that we have a very slim chance to win the league.
Because Cazorla isn't as one dimensional as Ozil, evidently.
Remove the through ball from Ozil's game and what has he got?
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 16 seconds ago
Ozil is this amazing world class player that is poor in most facets of his game since moving to Arsenal because Giroud won't run in behind.
Say that outloud to yourself and you'll see how hilarious it is.
It does limit him, I don't think that can be denied, but to blame his performances for Arsenal on Giroud is ridiculous. And if it is indeed true, which it isn't, then it kind of suggests Ozil is a limited player given that one striker can reduce him to this.
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Ozil is a limited player in terms of where his productivity lies he's the final link between build up play and goalscoring opportunity but he's the best in the world at that particular aspect and it's not being realised in this current system. Simple as that.
Get a CF in and watch him destroy sides like he has all his career.
No Costa and Cesc has a nothing season, no Aguero and Silva's influence is severely limited over the last few years, so look at what Ozil works with and why he's suffered.
No excuses for Giroud tho who's pathetic and not starting XI standard whereas Ozil is.... FACT.
We hardly see the through ball.
All our best through balls over the last few years come via Santi
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 21 seconds ago
Because Cazorla isn't as one dimensional as Ozil, evidently.
Remove the through ball from Ozil's game and what has he got?
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Ozil is quality to though. On form hes my favourite player to watch in the league. He glides over the pitch and uses his foot as if its a wand.
People only seem to remember a players last game. Yes ozil hasnt performed at the top level as often as he should have but make no mistake he is a class player
comment by Castor Troy (U8700)
posted 3 minutes ago
So why has cazorla not had similar issues with Giroud.
He has been deployed out with, deep and in the 10 role and he is always one of our best players ever season.
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Read above you complete idiot I've already explained why. Typical of you not to read properly and recycle your drivel time and time again.
Ain't you got a rope to be using you constantly depressed waste of space? Most depressing poster this board has ever seen and all your arguments/comments are recycled with no basis to it. Fackin moron
Oh because of Walcott haha
Walcott has been injured most of the time
If Ozil starts winning us games and turning up in big games I will put my hands up.
Deserves to be dropped but wengers ego won't allow it
Godfather, I agree, I was just pointing out that Giroud is not the reason Ozil isn't doing that regularly for Arsenal and that if removing the through ball from his game reduces him to this then he's obviously not as good as is being suggested.
Not sure how someone who had no hope for Giroud yet raves about Ozil can find Giroud a bigger let down either.
Giroud has performed to the best of his ability, because he's not particularly gifted, whereas Ozil, with his quality and reputation has been a massive let down.
Not just for Arsenal fans but for rival fans that wanted to see him light up the prem.
Same thing happened to us with Di Maria, difference is you don't see us blaming Rooney being shiiiiy for his inability to perform.
"Giroud has performed to the best of his ability, because he's not particularly gifted, whereas Ozil, with his quality and reputation has been a massive let down"
Nail on the head
comment by Castor Troy (U8700)
posted 1 minute ago
Oh because of Walcott haha
Walcott has been injured most of the time
If Ozil starts winning us games and turning up in big games I will put my hands up.
Deserves to be dropped but wengers ego won't allow it
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@Castor
If everybody is fit, we have quite a number of players that Wenger won't drop, despite of form and confidence level... Giroud, Sanchez, Ozil, Ramsey, Jack, Santi...
If Ozil doesn't do anything for the first 20 mins or so you can bet he'll disappear for the rest of the match, other games he just looks on it and he's at the centre of everything, passes faster and creates a lot of chances, it's nothing to do with Giroud. A faster striker would suit him better but you can't put it all down to that.
Look I admit, wengers obsession with flooding the team with midfielders is hurting us. I thought he would have dropped this last season but I expect to see a creative mf out wide every game
People keep saying all these things about Ozil's passing and whilst I don't doubt he is capable of magnificent passes, I have seen him misplace simple 5 yard passes on numerous occasions.
We've seen glimpses of Ozil's quality in an Arsenal shirt on occasion, but on the whole, he has not been good enough. I question whether he ever will produce what he's capable of in an Arsenal shirt, but I just don't think the Prem is for him.
Castor
Theo helped make Cazorla's first season as great as it was, not Giroud who was shocking first season.
When Ozil came Theo missed over half of the campaign both played together 6 times if I remember correctly.
Theo runs in behind at will and is more clinical than Giroud. People don't remember the details. Cazorla's best football that year also wasn't from #10 another fact people forget yet have the nerve to say he's better there than Ozil
Cazrola's career basically started at 26. Whilst Ozil is on the verge of breaking Europe's all time assist record, world cup winner (and actually played a role in it), success at Madrid, rated by the best coaches in the game... I can go on.
Yet clueless internet fools like Castor wants to disregard that with drivel like 'Cazorla is better' go and learn the game you mug.
Not even close Ozil is the best player at the club it's not even a contest.
Cazorla having more to his game means little. Ox probably has more to his game than Alexis, doesn't make him better, hell Drogba is more complete than Henry and even Ronaldo (Brazil) not a better player either.
Go and make some better arguments with more basis behind it, as your mother doesn't pay your internet bills for you be talking drivel like 'Cazorla is better than Ozil'
Learn the game, listen and understand especially when you debate with a certified poster like myself
Or just find a new sport, seems a better option for you.
No Costa and Cesc has a nothing season, no Aguero and Silva's influence is severely limited over the last few years, so look at what Ozil works with and why he's suffered.
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What an absolute load of twaddle. The same Cesc that made Adebayor look world class and made Chamakh and Bendtner look like decent players needs Costa? Silva had his best period of form last season when Aguero was injured - some of it as a false 9. Both were rarely in form at the same time. You really have to stop peddling this sh .itty Ozil excuses. A £42m special player shouldn't be so particular in his needs to function - cos what you're inadvertently implying is that the player is very limited.
Inventor is worse with Ozil than GT is with Giroud.
From here on in Castor you can fly the fack away from this article unless you surprise me with some new content that counters my last post.
Before attempting to do so, I want you to read my last paragraph 3 times and try to understand the game being described to you from an elite perspective.
Cazorla is nowhere near as good just because he's more pleasing to watch he's not even close to Ozil's level of thinking or dictatorship and also is the master of no role.
He doesn't control from deep, doesn't dictate our tempo and never in his career had a complete playmaking season at No. 10.
He's just as much a luxury player being squeezed into the side but he has no identified role that he's mastered thus far.
Cazorla is just a much better Nasri if anything naturally gifted wide creative player who can do a good job centrally.
Ozil is elite and superior to that type of player, go and study his history and learn more about him if you can't grasp that.
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posted on 10/8/15
How can you hammer Giroud but at the same time refuse to be critical of Ozil.
Giroud cost what £12M and has performed to his level while at arsenal.
For the hype and rep Ozil came with, he has arguably one of the biggests let downs in wengers time
posted on 10/8/15
Little excuses for Giroud tho. He's a CF that gets all the opportunities in the world for us yet misses a high percentage of them.
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Giroud had one of the best conversion rates out of PL strikers last season, sure I remember reading that. These theories are based on BS and not actual facts. And Darren is spot on
posted on 10/8/15
He had all the time in the world in Spain and he could always find Ronaldo
Just can't deal with the English pressing game
posted on 10/8/15
Did you watch payet for west ham
Absolutely schooled Ozil. Just put on sky and have a look at Silva and how he completely dominates games
posted on 10/8/15
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
Ozil being shiiiit because if Giroud is one of the biggest myths on here.
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No it isn't.
If Ozil is highest assist maker in Europe last 5 years mostly coming from through ball plays then how do you expect him to do what his best at with a CF that doesn't run?
People say Cazorla played with him and did better but forget he was put out to the flanks and wasn't at #10 most that season and also was with Theo in his best season to date (someone who runs in behind at will)
Ozil is yet to even have that luxury of playing consistently with Theo which I'm sure would see him do a lot more.
Wenger plays Ozil with another playmaking wide player, Alexis (who always comes to feet) then Giroud. Neither make unselfish runs on a consistent basis so Ozil's best use has been Ramsey.
Ozil has been held back by Giroud and Wenger, it's as simple as that. Giroud has been fortunate at Arsenal and still remains questionable.
posted on 10/8/15
Ozil is this amazing world class player that is poor in most facets of his game since moving to Arsenal because Giroud won't run in behind.
Say that outloud to yourself and you'll see how hilarious it is.
It does limit him, I don't think that can be denied, but to blame his performances for Arsenal on Giroud is ridiculous. And if it is indeed true, which it isn't, then it kind of suggests Ozil is a limited player given that one striker can reduce him to this.
posted on 10/8/15
comment by Castor Troy (U8700)
posted 1 minute ago
Did you watch payet for west ham
Absolutely schooled Ozil. Just put on sky and have a look at Silva and how he completely dominates games
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Put Ozil in a team with Bony/Aguero, Sterling, Navas who all make runs and watch him dominate them too.
Absolutely stupid situation comparison considering the options they all have. Same with Cesc who has Costa.
Don't expect less from you given your idiotic history tho Castor. Still think Theo's better than Alexis you utter idiot?
posted on 10/8/15
So why has cazorla not had similar issues with Giroud.
He has been deployed out with, deep and in the 10 role and he is always one of our best players ever season.
posted on 10/8/15
Well, the debate now is who's dragging who down??
Giroud is $hiiitte because of Ozil? Or vice versa?
Come on...
Anyway, all the better ones are just taken, not available, or out our budget. The remaining ones in the market are inferior to Giroud... that's what I heard most.
If we really cannot get someone who is better than Giroud, then we have to accept the fact that we have a very slim chance to win the league.
posted on 10/8/15
Because Cazorla isn't as one dimensional as Ozil, evidently.
Remove the through ball from Ozil's game and what has he got?
posted on 10/8/15
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 16 seconds ago
Ozil is this amazing world class player that is poor in most facets of his game since moving to Arsenal because Giroud won't run in behind.
Say that outloud to yourself and you'll see how hilarious it is.
It does limit him, I don't think that can be denied, but to blame his performances for Arsenal on Giroud is ridiculous. And if it is indeed true, which it isn't, then it kind of suggests Ozil is a limited player given that one striker can reduce him to this.
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Ozil is a limited player in terms of where his productivity lies he's the final link between build up play and goalscoring opportunity but he's the best in the world at that particular aspect and it's not being realised in this current system. Simple as that.
Get a CF in and watch him destroy sides like he has all his career.
No Costa and Cesc has a nothing season, no Aguero and Silva's influence is severely limited over the last few years, so look at what Ozil works with and why he's suffered.
No excuses for Giroud tho who's pathetic and not starting XI standard whereas Ozil is.... FACT.
posted on 10/8/15
We hardly see the through ball.
All our best through balls over the last few years come via Santi
posted on 10/8/15
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 21 seconds ago
Because Cazorla isn't as one dimensional as Ozil, evidently.
Remove the through ball from Ozil's game and what has he got?
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Ozil is quality to though. On form hes my favourite player to watch in the league. He glides over the pitch and uses his foot as if its a wand.
People only seem to remember a players last game. Yes ozil hasnt performed at the top level as often as he should have but make no mistake he is a class player
posted on 10/8/15
comment by Castor Troy (U8700)
posted 3 minutes ago
So why has cazorla not had similar issues with Giroud.
He has been deployed out with, deep and in the 10 role and he is always one of our best players ever season.
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Read above you complete idiot I've already explained why. Typical of you not to read properly and recycle your drivel time and time again.
Ain't you got a rope to be using you constantly depressed waste of space? Most depressing poster this board has ever seen and all your arguments/comments are recycled with no basis to it. Fackin moron
posted on 10/8/15
Oh because of Walcott haha
Walcott has been injured most of the time
If Ozil starts winning us games and turning up in big games I will put my hands up.
Deserves to be dropped but wengers ego won't allow it
posted on 10/8/15
Godfather, I agree, I was just pointing out that Giroud is not the reason Ozil isn't doing that regularly for Arsenal and that if removing the through ball from his game reduces him to this then he's obviously not as good as is being suggested.
Not sure how someone who had no hope for Giroud yet raves about Ozil can find Giroud a bigger let down either.
Giroud has performed to the best of his ability, because he's not particularly gifted, whereas Ozil, with his quality and reputation has been a massive let down.
Not just for Arsenal fans but for rival fans that wanted to see him light up the prem.
Same thing happened to us with Di Maria, difference is you don't see us blaming Rooney being shiiiiy for his inability to perform.
posted on 10/8/15
"Giroud has performed to the best of his ability, because he's not particularly gifted, whereas Ozil, with his quality and reputation has been a massive let down"
Nail on the head
posted on 10/8/15
comment by Castor Troy (U8700)
posted 1 minute ago
Oh because of Walcott haha
Walcott has been injured most of the time
If Ozil starts winning us games and turning up in big games I will put my hands up.
Deserves to be dropped but wengers ego won't allow it
******************************
@Castor
If everybody is fit, we have quite a number of players that Wenger won't drop, despite of form and confidence level... Giroud, Sanchez, Ozil, Ramsey, Jack, Santi...
posted on 10/8/15
If Ozil doesn't do anything for the first 20 mins or so you can bet he'll disappear for the rest of the match, other games he just looks on it and he's at the centre of everything, passes faster and creates a lot of chances, it's nothing to do with Giroud. A faster striker would suit him better but you can't put it all down to that.
posted on 10/8/15
Look I admit, wengers obsession with flooding the team with midfielders is hurting us. I thought he would have dropped this last season but I expect to see a creative mf out wide every game
posted on 10/8/15
People keep saying all these things about Ozil's passing and whilst I don't doubt he is capable of magnificent passes, I have seen him misplace simple 5 yard passes on numerous occasions.
We've seen glimpses of Ozil's quality in an Arsenal shirt on occasion, but on the whole, he has not been good enough. I question whether he ever will produce what he's capable of in an Arsenal shirt, but I just don't think the Prem is for him.
posted on 10/8/15
Castor
Theo helped make Cazorla's first season as great as it was, not Giroud who was shocking first season.
When Ozil came Theo missed over half of the campaign both played together 6 times if I remember correctly.
Theo runs in behind at will and is more clinical than Giroud. People don't remember the details. Cazorla's best football that year also wasn't from #10 another fact people forget yet have the nerve to say he's better there than Ozil
Cazrola's career basically started at 26. Whilst Ozil is on the verge of breaking Europe's all time assist record, world cup winner (and actually played a role in it), success at Madrid, rated by the best coaches in the game... I can go on.
Yet clueless internet fools like Castor wants to disregard that with drivel like 'Cazorla is better' go and learn the game you mug.
Not even close Ozil is the best player at the club it's not even a contest.
Cazorla having more to his game means little. Ox probably has more to his game than Alexis, doesn't make him better, hell Drogba is more complete than Henry and even Ronaldo (Brazil) not a better player either.
Go and make some better arguments with more basis behind it, as your mother doesn't pay your internet bills for you be talking drivel like 'Cazorla is better than Ozil'
Learn the game, listen and understand especially when you debate with a certified poster like myself
Or just find a new sport, seems a better option for you.
posted on 10/8/15
No Costa and Cesc has a nothing season, no Aguero and Silva's influence is severely limited over the last few years, so look at what Ozil works with and why he's suffered.
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What an absolute load of twaddle. The same Cesc that made Adebayor look world class and made Chamakh and Bendtner look like decent players needs Costa? Silva had his best period of form last season when Aguero was injured - some of it as a false 9. Both were rarely in form at the same time. You really have to stop peddling this sh .itty Ozil excuses. A £42m special player shouldn't be so particular in his needs to function - cos what you're inadvertently implying is that the player is very limited.
posted on 10/8/15
Inventor is worse with Ozil than GT is with Giroud.
posted on 10/8/15
From here on in Castor you can fly the fack away from this article unless you surprise me with some new content that counters my last post.
Before attempting to do so, I want you to read my last paragraph 3 times and try to understand the game being described to you from an elite perspective.
Cazorla is nowhere near as good just because he's more pleasing to watch he's not even close to Ozil's level of thinking or dictatorship and also is the master of no role.
He doesn't control from deep, doesn't dictate our tempo and never in his career had a complete playmaking season at No. 10.
He's just as much a luxury player being squeezed into the side but he has no identified role that he's mastered thus far.
Cazorla is just a much better Nasri if anything naturally gifted wide creative player who can do a good job centrally.
Ozil is elite and superior to that type of player, go and study his history and learn more about him if you can't grasp that.
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