The facts are he has scored 6 goals in International tournaments and he has played in five of them. Is that really a great record considering he's playing for England who are usually one of the top sides in Europe and in the World?
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England are bottlers in the major tournaments
I think the weak opposition is as weak as it's ever been. There's just more teams.
The smallest countries should have to go into pre-qualifying for the qualifiers.
That way you reduce the amount of teams in qualifiers and can get better groups overall, but you give these tiniest of nations experience of actually winning a game or two as they'll be playing against other minnows.
Pre-qualifiers aren't something horrible, isn't it effectively like trying to finish fourth in the Premier League as in essence you are fighting to qualify for the right to play qualifiers?
Greaves used to smash in 3 or 4 a game vs minnows.
Charlton used to smash in hat-tricks in mauling's against minnows.
Even Lineker had the benefit of baulking up his scoring record against awful teams.
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 33 seconds ago
Greaves used to smash in 3 or 4 a game vs minnows.
Charlton used to smash in hat-tricks in mauling's against minnows.
Even Lineker had the benefit of baulking up his scoring record against awful teams.
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And how many hattricks has Rooney scored against minnows?
I'll tell you: 0.
Which is a negative why??
Henrik, I think a better idea would he to have the minnows playing in qualifying groups among themselves and then getting into the play offs for getting out of the group rather than a pre qualifier.
That way they'd all have experience of playing competitive football but wouldn't be getting smashed all the time nor would they go straight into the tournament - they'd still need to prove themselves in the play offs.
All countries should have an equal number of matches to qualify. It would be both disrespectful and unfair to put a larger burden on the smaller countries
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 10 seconds ago
Which is a negative why??
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You really can't see that, for example, Bobby Charlton putting three past Luxembourg in the qualifiers, is better than Rooney putting one past San Marino in the qualifiers if the scorers we deem great are "baulking up" their goal scoring tallies against awful teams?
comment by The Kaiser's Trainers (U5676)
posted 24 seconds ago
All countries should have an equal number of matches to qualify. It would be both disrespectful and unfair to put a larger burden on the smaller countries
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Play-offs during the same time as the summer tournament.
The facts are that Rooney has less tournament goals than the likes of Torres and Van Persie, my argument is that for the larger nations I think the true record should be who has scored the most goals at tournaments.
Rodney's a very good player and always has been. He didn't turn out to be the top class world beater we all hoped for in the early 00s but I think people are going overboard trying to dismiss him.
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posted 6 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 10 seconds ago
Which is a negative why??
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You really can't see that, for example, Bobby Charlton putting three past Luxembourg in the qualifiers, is better than Rooney putting one past San Marino in the qualifiers if the scorers we deem great are "baulking up" their goal scoring tallies against awful teams?
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So 3 goals in a 9-0 win is better than 3 goals across 3 games?
They both have 49...
Yeah, three goals in one game is better one goal in one game.
Yeah I'd agree, Henrik. But it's a difficult one as the quality of the teams of the bigger nations fluctuates.
Raul and Villa are a good example, and their careers overlapped so it's easier to compare than now and the 60's, 70's and 80's.
But if a player doesn't score in two of the other games then scoring one in three games is better, especially if they are important goals against stronger sides.
comment by optional screen name apparently isn't opt... (U15041)
posted 55 seconds ago
Yeah, three goals in one game is better one goal in one game.
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Win 3-0 then draw 0-0 and 0-0
Or
Win 1-0, 1-0, 1-0
Now which is better???
For the player, scoring a hat trick.
comment by optional screen name apparently isn't opt... (U15041)
posted 1 second ago
For the player, scoring a hat trick.
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Dont be silly.
Rooneys international record will always flatter his actual contribution imo, but fairplay to him .
As for international football qualifiers in general. As boring/predictable as some of the games may be i'm glad that pretty much every country is allowed the opportunity to compete. What a buzz for the fans planning their awaydays etc! I'm happy that they get to plan trips to many famous stadia supporting their nation.
I'll happily watch 90mins against a 'minnow' due to what that game means to the 'minnows' fans. Visiting Wembley etc is their final!
Let's never forget that it's the peoples game
"You don't agree with me, you're silly."
comment by TUX (U5315)
posted 6 seconds ago
Rooneys international record will always flatter his actual contribution imo, but fairplay to him .
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Yeah, of course, no one is saying he's rubbish, just that he isn't up there with the great playres.
You think players would rather score a hat trick in one game at the cost of two others than score 3 winning goals.
You are silly!!!
When did anyone ever win 3-0 then go on to draw 0-0 and 0-0 in three games against minnows?
If a players scores a hat trick against minnows, then goes on and fails to score against two other minnows, it is better for their record than scoring a single goal in three games against three minnows.
Why are there 3 games against minnows all of a sudden.
Both Rooney and Charlton have 49 goals. Your point was Rooney has not got a hat trick to his name. Charlton has a few. Thus Rooney has obviously spread his goals across more games.
Again, why is that a negative?
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Rooney's record and International Football?
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posted on 5/9/15
The facts are he has scored 6 goals in International tournaments and he has played in five of them. Is that really a great record considering he's playing for England who are usually one of the top sides in Europe and in the World?
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England are bottlers in the major tournaments
posted on 5/9/15
I think the weak opposition is as weak as it's ever been. There's just more teams.
posted on 5/9/15
The smallest countries should have to go into pre-qualifying for the qualifiers.
That way you reduce the amount of teams in qualifiers and can get better groups overall, but you give these tiniest of nations experience of actually winning a game or two as they'll be playing against other minnows.
Pre-qualifiers aren't something horrible, isn't it effectively like trying to finish fourth in the Premier League as in essence you are fighting to qualify for the right to play qualifiers?
posted on 5/9/15
Greaves used to smash in 3 or 4 a game vs minnows.
Charlton used to smash in hat-tricks in mauling's against minnows.
Even Lineker had the benefit of baulking up his scoring record against awful teams.
posted on 5/9/15
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 33 seconds ago
Greaves used to smash in 3 or 4 a game vs minnows.
Charlton used to smash in hat-tricks in mauling's against minnows.
Even Lineker had the benefit of baulking up his scoring record against awful teams.
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And how many hattricks has Rooney scored against minnows?
I'll tell you: 0.
posted on 5/9/15
Which is a negative why??
posted on 5/9/15
Henrik, I think a better idea would he to have the minnows playing in qualifying groups among themselves and then getting into the play offs for getting out of the group rather than a pre qualifier.
That way they'd all have experience of playing competitive football but wouldn't be getting smashed all the time nor would they go straight into the tournament - they'd still need to prove themselves in the play offs.
posted on 5/9/15
All countries should have an equal number of matches to qualify. It would be both disrespectful and unfair to put a larger burden on the smaller countries
posted on 5/9/15
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 10 seconds ago
Which is a negative why??
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You really can't see that, for example, Bobby Charlton putting three past Luxembourg in the qualifiers, is better than Rooney putting one past San Marino in the qualifiers if the scorers we deem great are "baulking up" their goal scoring tallies against awful teams?
posted on 5/9/15
comment by The Kaiser's Trainers (U5676)
posted 24 seconds ago
All countries should have an equal number of matches to qualify. It would be both disrespectful and unfair to put a larger burden on the smaller countries
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Play-offs during the same time as the summer tournament.
posted on 5/9/15
The facts are that Rooney has less tournament goals than the likes of Torres and Van Persie, my argument is that for the larger nations I think the true record should be who has scored the most goals at tournaments.
posted on 5/9/15
Rodney's a very good player and always has been. He didn't turn out to be the top class world beater we all hoped for in the early 00s but I think people are going overboard trying to dismiss him.
posted on 5/9/15
comment by optional screen name apparently isn't opt... (U15041)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 10 seconds ago
Which is a negative why??
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You really can't see that, for example, Bobby Charlton putting three past Luxembourg in the qualifiers, is better than Rooney putting one past San Marino in the qualifiers if the scorers we deem great are "baulking up" their goal scoring tallies against awful teams?
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So 3 goals in a 9-0 win is better than 3 goals across 3 games?
They both have 49...
posted on 5/9/15
Yeah, three goals in one game is better one goal in one game.
posted on 5/9/15
Yeah I'd agree, Henrik. But it's a difficult one as the quality of the teams of the bigger nations fluctuates.
Raul and Villa are a good example, and their careers overlapped so it's easier to compare than now and the 60's, 70's and 80's.
posted on 5/9/15
But if a player doesn't score in two of the other games then scoring one in three games is better, especially if they are important goals against stronger sides.
posted on 5/9/15
comment by optional screen name apparently isn't opt... (U15041)
posted 55 seconds ago
Yeah, three goals in one game is better one goal in one game.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Win 3-0 then draw 0-0 and 0-0
Or
Win 1-0, 1-0, 1-0
Now which is better???
posted on 5/9/15
For the player, scoring a hat trick.
posted on 5/9/15
comment by optional screen name apparently isn't opt... (U15041)
posted 1 second ago
For the player, scoring a hat trick.
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Dont be silly.
posted on 5/9/15
Rooneys international record will always flatter his actual contribution imo, but fairplay to him .
As for international football qualifiers in general. As boring/predictable as some of the games may be i'm glad that pretty much every country is allowed the opportunity to compete. What a buzz for the fans planning their awaydays etc! I'm happy that they get to plan trips to many famous stadia supporting their nation.
I'll happily watch 90mins against a 'minnow' due to what that game means to the 'minnows' fans. Visiting Wembley etc is their final!
Let's never forget that it's the peoples game
posted on 5/9/15
"You don't agree with me, you're silly."
posted on 5/9/15
comment by TUX (U5315)
posted 6 seconds ago
Rooneys international record will always flatter his actual contribution imo, but fairplay to him .
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Yeah, of course, no one is saying he's rubbish, just that he isn't up there with the great playres.
posted on 5/9/15
You think players would rather score a hat trick in one game at the cost of two others than score 3 winning goals.
You are silly!!!
posted on 5/9/15
When did anyone ever win 3-0 then go on to draw 0-0 and 0-0 in three games against minnows?
If a players scores a hat trick against minnows, then goes on and fails to score against two other minnows, it is better for their record than scoring a single goal in three games against three minnows.
posted on 5/9/15
Why are there 3 games against minnows all of a sudden.
Both Rooney and Charlton have 49 goals. Your point was Rooney has not got a hat trick to his name. Charlton has a few. Thus Rooney has obviously spread his goals across more games.
Again, why is that a negative?
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