Rodgers record against the big teams is terrible, probably worst than Wenger's. Bad example to use.
Rodgers record against the big teams is terrible, probably worst than Wenger's. Bad example to use.
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at anfield it is decent
well at least in the season they almost won the league
Wenger is devoted to "Wengerball". It's a Barcelona 2009-2011-LITE style but without the aggression, pressing game or any physical power. It's about quick, small, nimble players passing teams to death.
So good, solid teams with power and speed will always get openings against Arsene's Arsenal and will always be able to resist Arsene's offense. You've no midfield solidarity, and no defensive strength playing "Wengerball" against good teams prepared for you. And Arsene's devotion to playing just the one way means you get eaten up almost every single time.
If Wenger would stop trying to fence against a behemoth's weilding warhammers, you'd have much more of a chance and a few more titles. But he won't.
And that's why you always lose to Manchester United and Chelsea.
I honestly cant remember the last time United or Chelsea clearly outclassed us but the result is never in doubt. I wont mention City and Liverpool because we have our fair few wins against both due to the open style football both play.
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That 6-0
It comes down to tactical inflexibility from Arsenal. Against Chelsea in the Community Shield we were tight, compact and didn't give Chelsea much breathing space in the final 3rd. Whereas normally we go all out, play openly and get punished for it.
A simple tactic to beat Arsenal was to put pressure on Arteta high up the pitch which worked well for Chelsea.
United similarly beat us pretty much down to staying compact and being very clinical in front of goal and tight at the back.
If we want to beat United, we need to play more conservatively and hit them on the counter. Playing a nice high line with be bread and butter for the likes of Mata, Martial and Depay to exploit.
Blunders against the better teams are always more likely to cost you goals as they have better players to take advantage of mistakes.
I honestly cant remember the last time United or Chelsea clearly outclassed us but the result is never in doubt.
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8-2?
Think everyone knows it's going to be 2-0, 2-1 or 3-1 to United this weekend tbf. Utterly inevitable, which is sad actually even as a United fan. Feel bad for Wenger and Arsenal fans in equal measure.
Something seriously wrong with Arsenal against Utd and chelsea(under mourinho), yes the odd win over the past decade or so but Utd have fielded some pretty dire teams and still beat arsenal, the fa cup game springs to mind, the slow compact style we try to play with suggests Arsenal will lose again because they generally have no clue when a team is set up solidly and can counter,
But u never know, always despite our recent history feel twitchy against Arsenal away
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
I honestly cant remember the last time United or Chelsea clearly outclassed us but the result is never in doubt.
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8-2?
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6-0 was more recent
comment by 442 (U19487)
posted 5 minutes ago
Think everyone knows it's going to be 2-0, 2-1 or 3-1 to United this weekend tbf. Utterly inevitable, which is sad actually even as a United fan. Feel bad for Wenger and Arsenal fans in equal measure.
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I highly doubt that, Wenger seems to have clued up a bit tactically in the big games. I think we'll draw.
comment by tcw (U6489)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
I honestly cant remember the last time United or Chelsea clearly outclassed us but the result is never in doubt.
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8-2?
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6-0 was more recent
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Perhaps so, but I am a United fan.
comment by 442 (U19487)
posted 11 minutes ago
Think everyone knows it's going to be 2-0, 2-1 or 3-1 to United this weekend tbf. Utterly inevitable, which is sad actually even as a United fan. Feel bad for Wenger and Arsenal fans in equal measure.
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Apart from the bookies who have Arsenal as favourites.
The games against Moyes' Utd eradicated any hope i had of Wenger ever beating Utd again.
FA Cup last season Dotty?
We've won two of our last four against Chelsea and utd ffs. That time has passed.
Keep it tight and then hit teams on the counter, that what they do to us and this tactic has worked for us in the past 12 months.
City away - 0-2
United away FA Cup - 1-2
Chelsea - Charity Shield - 1-0
We shoud have got a min point against Chelsea this season but the Ref had an absolute mare as usual.
Tactics are changing but the game on Sunday will really tell us where were are. Cannot afford to lose to United at home.
comment by Andre's Samba Scarf (U6253)
posted 56 seconds ago
We've won two of our last four against Chelsea and utd ffs. That time has passed.
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Arsenal have won just 2 out of their last 17 games against United. Stop kidding yourself.
comment by Mata's Left Foot - Gigi Hadid (U11781)
posted 5 minutes ago
FA Cup last season Dotty?
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Doesn't count.
comment by Andre's Samba Scarf (U6253)
posted 2 minutes ago
We've won two of our last four against Chelsea and utd ffs. That time has passed.
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this
comment by Andre's Samba Scarf (U6253)
posted 4 minutes ago
We've won two of our last four against Chelsea and utd ffs. That time has passed.
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For fack sake the Community Friendly does not count
Incompetence refs cost as as well.
On the other hand, Theo should be starting v Utd instead of Giroud who has been one of the biggest problems we've had in big games since he arrived.
It comes down to tactical inflexibility from Arsenal. Against Chelsea in the Community Shield we were tight, compact and didn't give Chelsea much breathing space in the final 3rd. Whereas normally we go all out, play openly and get punished for it.
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even when we keep it tight the odd mistake sees us lose the game thats why Wenger flactuates between making us play tight and going all out.
Against Chelsea at the bridge we kept it tight for 30 minutes or so then Hazard was given the freedom of the pitch and it went downhill from there. Against Moyes united same thing, against chelsea until Gabriels red card.
Each time we have kept it tight against united at home the game ends in a 0-0 draw and the fans boo. We pressed them up the pitch last season, outplayed them as they made mistake after mistake yet we still lost the game.
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posted on 29/9/15
Rodgers record against the big teams is terrible, probably worst than Wenger's. Bad example to use.
posted on 29/9/15
Rodgers record against the big teams is terrible, probably worst than Wenger's. Bad example to use.
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at anfield it is decent
posted on 29/9/15
well at least in the season they almost won the league
posted on 29/9/15
Wenger is devoted to "Wengerball". It's a Barcelona 2009-2011-LITE style but without the aggression, pressing game or any physical power. It's about quick, small, nimble players passing teams to death.
So good, solid teams with power and speed will always get openings against Arsene's Arsenal and will always be able to resist Arsene's offense. You've no midfield solidarity, and no defensive strength playing "Wengerball" against good teams prepared for you. And Arsene's devotion to playing just the one way means you get eaten up almost every single time.
If Wenger would stop trying to fence against a behemoth's weilding warhammers, you'd have much more of a chance and a few more titles. But he won't.
And that's why you always lose to Manchester United and Chelsea.
posted on 29/9/15
I honestly cant remember the last time United or Chelsea clearly outclassed us but the result is never in doubt. I wont mention City and Liverpool because we have our fair few wins against both due to the open style football both play.
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That 6-0
It comes down to tactical inflexibility from Arsenal. Against Chelsea in the Community Shield we were tight, compact and didn't give Chelsea much breathing space in the final 3rd. Whereas normally we go all out, play openly and get punished for it.
A simple tactic to beat Arsenal was to put pressure on Arteta high up the pitch which worked well for Chelsea.
United similarly beat us pretty much down to staying compact and being very clinical in front of goal and tight at the back.
If we want to beat United, we need to play more conservatively and hit them on the counter. Playing a nice high line with be bread and butter for the likes of Mata, Martial and Depay to exploit.
posted on 29/9/15
Blunders against the better teams are always more likely to cost you goals as they have better players to take advantage of mistakes.
posted on 29/9/15
I honestly cant remember the last time United or Chelsea clearly outclassed us but the result is never in doubt.
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8-2?
posted on 29/9/15
Think everyone knows it's going to be 2-0, 2-1 or 3-1 to United this weekend tbf. Utterly inevitable, which is sad actually even as a United fan. Feel bad for Wenger and Arsenal fans in equal measure.
posted on 29/9/15
Something seriously wrong with Arsenal against Utd and chelsea(under mourinho), yes the odd win over the past decade or so but Utd have fielded some pretty dire teams and still beat arsenal, the fa cup game springs to mind, the slow compact style we try to play with suggests Arsenal will lose again because they generally have no clue when a team is set up solidly and can counter,
But u never know, always despite our recent history feel twitchy against Arsenal away
posted on 29/9/15
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
I honestly cant remember the last time United or Chelsea clearly outclassed us but the result is never in doubt.
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8-2?
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6-0 was more recent
posted on 29/9/15
comment by 442 (U19487)
posted 5 minutes ago
Think everyone knows it's going to be 2-0, 2-1 or 3-1 to United this weekend tbf. Utterly inevitable, which is sad actually even as a United fan. Feel bad for Wenger and Arsenal fans in equal measure.
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I highly doubt that, Wenger seems to have clued up a bit tactically in the big games. I think we'll draw.
posted on 29/9/15
comment by tcw (U6489)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
I honestly cant remember the last time United or Chelsea clearly outclassed us but the result is never in doubt.
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8-2?
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6-0 was more recent
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Perhaps so, but I am a United fan.
posted on 29/9/15
comment by 442 (U19487)
posted 11 minutes ago
Think everyone knows it's going to be 2-0, 2-1 or 3-1 to United this weekend tbf. Utterly inevitable, which is sad actually even as a United fan. Feel bad for Wenger and Arsenal fans in equal measure.
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Apart from the bookies who have Arsenal as favourites.
posted on 29/9/15
The games against Moyes' Utd eradicated any hope i had of Wenger ever beating Utd again.
posted on 29/9/15
FA Cup last season Dotty?
posted on 29/9/15
We've won two of our last four against Chelsea and utd ffs. That time has passed.
posted on 29/9/15
Keep it tight and then hit teams on the counter, that what they do to us and this tactic has worked for us in the past 12 months.
City away - 0-2
United away FA Cup - 1-2
Chelsea - Charity Shield - 1-0
We shoud have got a min point against Chelsea this season but the Ref had an absolute mare as usual.
Tactics are changing but the game on Sunday will really tell us where were are. Cannot afford to lose to United at home.
posted on 29/9/15
comment by Andre's Samba Scarf (U6253)
posted 56 seconds ago
We've won two of our last four against Chelsea and utd ffs. That time has passed.
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Arsenal have won just 2 out of their last 17 games against United. Stop kidding yourself.
posted on 29/9/15
comment by Mata's Left Foot - Gigi Hadid (U11781)
posted 5 minutes ago
FA Cup last season Dotty?
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Doesn't count.
posted on 29/9/15
comment by Andre's Samba Scarf (U6253)
posted 2 minutes ago
We've won two of our last four against Chelsea and utd ffs. That time has passed.
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this
posted on 29/9/15
comment by Andre's Samba Scarf (U6253)
posted 4 minutes ago
We've won two of our last four against Chelsea and utd ffs. That time has passed.
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For fack sake the Community Friendly does not count
posted on 29/9/15
Incompetence refs cost as as well.
posted on 29/9/15
*incompetent
posted on 29/9/15
On the other hand, Theo should be starting v Utd instead of Giroud who has been one of the biggest problems we've had in big games since he arrived.
posted on 29/9/15
It comes down to tactical inflexibility from Arsenal. Against Chelsea in the Community Shield we were tight, compact and didn't give Chelsea much breathing space in the final 3rd. Whereas normally we go all out, play openly and get punished for it.
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even when we keep it tight the odd mistake sees us lose the game thats why Wenger flactuates between making us play tight and going all out.
Against Chelsea at the bridge we kept it tight for 30 minutes or so then Hazard was given the freedom of the pitch and it went downhill from there. Against Moyes united same thing, against chelsea until Gabriels red card.
Each time we have kept it tight against united at home the game ends in a 0-0 draw and the fans boo. We pressed them up the pitch last season, outplayed them as they made mistake after mistake yet we still lost the game.
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