I wouldn't count the CS with Chelsea either, it's just a glorified friendly.
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posted 3 minutes ago
It comes down to tactical inflexibility from Arsenal. Against Chelsea in the Community Shield we were tight, compact and didn't give Chelsea much breathing space in the final 3rd. Whereas normally we go all out, play openly and get punished for it.
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even when we keep it tight the odd mistake sees us lose the game thats why Wenger flactuates between making us play tight and going all out.
Against Chelsea at the bridge we kept it tight for 30 minutes or so then Hazard was given the freedom of the pitch and it went downhill from there. Against Moyes united same thing, against chelsea until Gabriels red card.
Each time we have kept it tight against united at home the game ends in a 0-0 draw and the fans boo. We pressed them up the pitch last season, outplayed them as they made mistake after mistake yet we still lost the game.
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I know this might sound outlandish, but it sounds like the problem you are describing that we have is that, in the big games, we lack a world class clinical striker to finish the chances we create?
Of course the FA cup and the community shield count. The recent Chelsea loss was exasperating, but there was no reason to believe Chelsea would have won before the fracas.
We still have some of the old problems but some of you don't seem to see the progress we have made. Teams are scared of us now.
It's tactical naivety and a failure to adapt our preparation to the opposition's strength and weaknesses. It's the same reason we've been massive CL underachievers. At the highest level, we get found out. The main reason we fare better against City is they've often been as naive and inflexible as we are and lack the aura Man U and Chelsea have had over us.
End of the day a world class striker can score goals out of nothing, be it a 25 yard rocket or he dribbles past 2-3 players and smashes it in the top corner.
We havent had one of them since Henry/RVP and thats one of the big reason we are loosing these tight games.
United - Have/Had Rooney/RVP
City - Have Aguero
Chelsea - Had Drogba and now Costa (although nowhere near as good as Drogba)
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It's tactical naivety and a failure to adapt our preparation to the opposition's strength and weaknesses. It's the same reason we've been massive CL underachievers. At the highest level, we get found out. The main reason we fare better against City is they've often been as naive and inflexible as we are and lack the aura Man U and Chelsea have had over us.
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Agreed - It's no surprise both we and City struggle in the CL.
Tbf, after the humiliating hammerings we took 2 seasons ago, we set up a lot more cautiously last season. We borderline park the bus in many big games. Like away games at the Etihad, Anfield, WHL and OT last season
I know this might sound outlandish, but it sounds like the problem you are describing that we have is that, in the big games, we lack a world class clinical striker to finish the chances we create?
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best answer
Giroud.
Won plenty of them before him
comment by Chris H (U15205)
posted 18 seconds ago
Giroud.
Won plenty of them before him
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He's the elephant in the room, with his hands on his head after missing a sitter
Not Giroud fault though, the blame lies with Wenger for not getting a WC Foward.
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posted 1 minute ago
Not Giroud fault though, the blame lies with Wenger for not getting a WC Foward.
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He could have retired, if he really cared
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Tactics & Wenger are the common reasons given but managers like Martinez and Rodgers have had their fair share of wins against the top sides. Surely Wenger and his tactics are better than both.
Another weird thing is for some reason we get away with blunders against teams like Palace but whenever its a big game we make one mistake and it costs us the game.Always!
I honestly cant remember the last time United or Chelsea clearly outclassed us but the result is never in doubt. I wont mention City and Liverpool because we have our fair few wins against both due to the open style football both play.
Its United and Chelsea that we just cant beat. If we play away to both the most likely result is a lose. If we play them at home the most likely result is a draw.
We have 6 wins against united in the last 30 games played. We have 6 wins against Chelsea in the last 30 played. Even if we were inferior we should be able to at least fluke more wins.
I am confident the game at the weekend will be a draw as both teams will cancel each other out but I cant rule out a mistake or a controversial decision handing the 3 points to united.
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On the other hand, Theo should be starting v Utd instead of Giroud who has been one of the biggest problems we've had in big games since he arrived.
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It comes down to tactical inflexibility from Arsenal. Against Chelsea in the Community Shield we were tight, compact and didn't give Chelsea much breathing space in the final 3rd. Whereas normally we go all out, play openly and get punished for it.
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even when we keep it tight the odd mistake sees us lose the game thats why Wenger flactuates between making us play tight and going all out.
Against Chelsea at the bridge we kept it tight for 30 minutes or so then Hazard was given the freedom of the pitch and it went downhill from there. Against Moyes united same thing, against chelsea until Gabriels red card.
Each time we have kept it tight against united at home the game ends in a 0-0 draw and the fans boo. We pressed them up the pitch last season, outplayed them as they made mistake after mistake yet we still lost the game.
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I wouldn't count the CS with Chelsea either, it's just a glorified friendly.
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It comes down to tactical inflexibility from Arsenal. Against Chelsea in the Community Shield we were tight, compact and didn't give Chelsea much breathing space in the final 3rd. Whereas normally we go all out, play openly and get punished for it.
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even when we keep it tight the odd mistake sees us lose the game thats why Wenger flactuates between making us play tight and going all out.
Against Chelsea at the bridge we kept it tight for 30 minutes or so then Hazard was given the freedom of the pitch and it went downhill from there. Against Moyes united same thing, against chelsea until Gabriels red card.
Each time we have kept it tight against united at home the game ends in a 0-0 draw and the fans boo. We pressed them up the pitch last season, outplayed them as they made mistake after mistake yet we still lost the game.
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I know this might sound outlandish, but it sounds like the problem you are describing that we have is that, in the big games, we lack a world class clinical striker to finish the chances we create?
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Of course the FA cup and the community shield count. The recent Chelsea loss was exasperating, but there was no reason to believe Chelsea would have won before the fracas.
We still have some of the old problems but some of you don't seem to see the progress we have made. Teams are scared of us now.
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It's tactical naivety and a failure to adapt our preparation to the opposition's strength and weaknesses. It's the same reason we've been massive CL underachievers. At the highest level, we get found out. The main reason we fare better against City is they've often been as naive and inflexible as we are and lack the aura Man U and Chelsea have had over us.
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End of the day a world class striker can score goals out of nothing, be it a 25 yard rocket or he dribbles past 2-3 players and smashes it in the top corner.
We havent had one of them since Henry/RVP and thats one of the big reason we are loosing these tight games.
United - Have/Had Rooney/RVP
City - Have Aguero
Chelsea - Had Drogba and now Costa (although nowhere near as good as Drogba)
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posted 42 seconds ago
It's tactical naivety and a failure to adapt our preparation to the opposition's strength and weaknesses. It's the same reason we've been massive CL underachievers. At the highest level, we get found out. The main reason we fare better against City is they've often been as naive and inflexible as we are and lack the aura Man U and Chelsea have had over us.
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Agreed - It's no surprise both we and City struggle in the CL.
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Tbf, after the humiliating hammerings we took 2 seasons ago, we set up a lot more cautiously last season. We borderline park the bus in many big games. Like away games at the Etihad, Anfield, WHL and OT last season
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which makes your previous answer relevant as it means Wenger wuill have indeed prepared for the oppositions strengths.
The best answer is with regards to a striker who would mean we would win irrespective of the number of times our defense is breached as we would always score more.
The 0-0 draws against united everytime we play cautiously at the Emirates are the reason why wenger is never sure how to set the team up. We aren't winning enough of our home games against the top teams.
I maintain, most likely result is a draw unless we make a howler as we usually do or Sanchez pulls something out of his bag of tricks.He is the only player they cant shackle. Sadly Sanchez fluctuates from sublime to ridiculous at times. Theo will be shackled by Smalling, you wait and see.
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comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 3 minutes ago
Some on this thread have personal issue(s).
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Unlike Wenger, whom has personnel issues.
Only kidding about Giroud, well half kidding anyway
Wenger has never really been great at big, one-off games, hence why we've struggled to achieve anything in Europe.
He's always been much better at consistency against teams from middle to low in the table.
Think we will beat United, though
Playing at old Trafford and the bridge are inevitable losses.
The games are so so predictable. We create fack all and mince about outside of the box without any penetration. Then United/ Chelsea score with their first chance and before you know it it's another 2-0 loss.
Sunday has draw written all over it
Tottenham and Arsenal had 0 shots in 1st half at OT last season in the league and we had 7 shots 3 on target and 8 shots 2 on target. Its very weird as apart from our decimated injuries side that somehow won at the emirates we usually contain you well enough. Fa cup game going down to 10 men we left lots of gaps in behind but you didn't score from good half chances.
I honestly think there was a shift in power between us last season in that OT game were we stifled you and if we had some other striker instead of Falcao we would have won the game. Falcao was clean through on goal 6yds out but got caught up by an Arsenal player 3-4yds behind him.
Last time we played Utd we won
CEG you do realise you salvaged a lucky draw last time you played us right.
Since SAF left we got unlucky in our games against Utd, don't think there is any particular reason why but we just didn't take our chances, expecting a comfortable win on Sunday though.
CEG you do realise you salvaged a lucky draw last time you played us right.
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and you do realise you got one of the most luckiest wins ever at the emirates last season..
i actually forgot about that dead rubber of a league game
Not lucky to have so many injuries to our defence before game and then have an injury during the game. To be honest you were lucky Di Maria missed a one on one to make it 3-0 and seconds later its 1-2. Also we were clean through on goal once in 2nd half about 3-5yds onside and linesmen flagged what most likely looked like being a certain goal as no Arsenal player was within 10yds of our player as left back player played everyone on.
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posted on 29/9/15
I wouldn't count the CS with Chelsea either, it's just a glorified friendly.
posted on 29/9/15
comment by jebbush (U20649)
posted 3 minutes ago
It comes down to tactical inflexibility from Arsenal. Against Chelsea in the Community Shield we were tight, compact and didn't give Chelsea much breathing space in the final 3rd. Whereas normally we go all out, play openly and get punished for it.
--------------------------------------------------
even when we keep it tight the odd mistake sees us lose the game thats why Wenger flactuates between making us play tight and going all out.
Against Chelsea at the bridge we kept it tight for 30 minutes or so then Hazard was given the freedom of the pitch and it went downhill from there. Against Moyes united same thing, against chelsea until Gabriels red card.
Each time we have kept it tight against united at home the game ends in a 0-0 draw and the fans boo. We pressed them up the pitch last season, outplayed them as they made mistake after mistake yet we still lost the game.
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I know this might sound outlandish, but it sounds like the problem you are describing that we have is that, in the big games, we lack a world class clinical striker to finish the chances we create?
posted on 29/9/15
Of course the FA cup and the community shield count. The recent Chelsea loss was exasperating, but there was no reason to believe Chelsea would have won before the fracas.
We still have some of the old problems but some of you don't seem to see the progress we have made. Teams are scared of us now.
posted on 29/9/15
It's tactical naivety and a failure to adapt our preparation to the opposition's strength and weaknesses. It's the same reason we've been massive CL underachievers. At the highest level, we get found out. The main reason we fare better against City is they've often been as naive and inflexible as we are and lack the aura Man U and Chelsea have had over us.
posted on 29/9/15
End of the day a world class striker can score goals out of nothing, be it a 25 yard rocket or he dribbles past 2-3 players and smashes it in the top corner.
We havent had one of them since Henry/RVP and thats one of the big reason we are loosing these tight games.
United - Have/Had Rooney/RVP
City - Have Aguero
Chelsea - Had Drogba and now Costa (although nowhere near as good as Drogba)
posted on 29/9/15
comment by Sheriff John Brown - bring back David Dein (U7482)
posted 42 seconds ago
It's tactical naivety and a failure to adapt our preparation to the opposition's strength and weaknesses. It's the same reason we've been massive CL underachievers. At the highest level, we get found out. The main reason we fare better against City is they've often been as naive and inflexible as we are and lack the aura Man U and Chelsea have had over us.
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Agreed - It's no surprise both we and City struggle in the CL.
posted on 29/9/15
Tbf, after the humiliating hammerings we took 2 seasons ago, we set up a lot more cautiously last season. We borderline park the bus in many big games. Like away games at the Etihad, Anfield, WHL and OT last season
posted on 29/9/15
I know this might sound outlandish, but it sounds like the problem you are describing that we have is that, in the big games, we lack a world class clinical striker to finish the chances we create?
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best answer
posted on 29/9/15
Giroud.
Won plenty of them before him
posted on 29/9/15
comment by Chris H (U15205)
posted 18 seconds ago
Giroud.
Won plenty of them before him
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He's the elephant in the room, with his hands on his head after missing a sitter
posted on 29/9/15
Not Giroud fault though, the blame lies with Wenger for not getting a WC Foward.
posted on 29/9/15
comment by BO$$™ (U6401)
posted 1 minute ago
Not Giroud fault though, the blame lies with Wenger for not getting a WC Foward.
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He could have retired, if he really cared
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by jebbush (U20649) 29 September 2015
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Tactics & Wenger are the common reasons given but managers like Martinez and Rodgers have had their fair share of wins against the top sides. Surely Wenger and his tactics are better than both.
Another weird thing is for some reason we get away with blunders against teams like Palace but whenever its a big game we make one mistake and it costs us the game.Always!
I honestly cant remember the last time United or Chelsea clearly outclassed us but the result is never in doubt. I wont mention City and Liverpool because we have our fair few wins against both due to the open style football both play.
Its United and Chelsea that we just cant beat. If we play away to both the most likely result is a lose. If we play them at home the most likely result is a draw.
We have 6 wins against united in the last 30 games played. We have 6 wins against Chelsea in the last 30 played. Even if we were inferior we should be able to at least fluke more wins.
I am confident the game at the weekend will be a draw as both teams will cancel each other out but I cant rule out a mistake or a controversial decision handing the 3 points to united.
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On the other hand, Theo should be starting v Utd instead of Giroud who has been one of the biggest problems we've had in big games since he arrived.
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It comes down to tactical inflexibility from Arsenal. Against Chelsea in the Community Shield we were tight, compact and didn't give Chelsea much breathing space in the final 3rd. Whereas normally we go all out, play openly and get punished for it.
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even when we keep it tight the odd mistake sees us lose the game thats why Wenger flactuates between making us play tight and going all out.
Against Chelsea at the bridge we kept it tight for 30 minutes or so then Hazard was given the freedom of the pitch and it went downhill from there. Against Moyes united same thing, against chelsea until Gabriels red card.
Each time we have kept it tight against united at home the game ends in a 0-0 draw and the fans boo. We pressed them up the pitch last season, outplayed them as they made mistake after mistake yet we still lost the game.
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I wouldn't count the CS with Chelsea either, it's just a glorified friendly.
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comment by jebbush (U20649)
posted 3 minutes ago
It comes down to tactical inflexibility from Arsenal. Against Chelsea in the Community Shield we were tight, compact and didn't give Chelsea much breathing space in the final 3rd. Whereas normally we go all out, play openly and get punished for it.
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even when we keep it tight the odd mistake sees us lose the game thats why Wenger flactuates between making us play tight and going all out.
Against Chelsea at the bridge we kept it tight for 30 minutes or so then Hazard was given the freedom of the pitch and it went downhill from there. Against Moyes united same thing, against chelsea until Gabriels red card.
Each time we have kept it tight against united at home the game ends in a 0-0 draw and the fans boo. We pressed them up the pitch last season, outplayed them as they made mistake after mistake yet we still lost the game.
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I know this might sound outlandish, but it sounds like the problem you are describing that we have is that, in the big games, we lack a world class clinical striker to finish the chances we create?
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comment by Andre's Samba Scarf (U6253)
posted 7 minutes ago
Of course the FA cup and the community shield count. The recent Chelsea loss was exasperating, but there was no reason to believe Chelsea would have won before the fracas.
We still have some of the old problems but some of you don't seem to see the progress we have made. Teams are scared of us now.
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comment by Sheriff John Brown - bring back David Dein (U7482)
posted 7 minutes ago
It's tactical naivety and a failure to adapt our preparation to the opposition's strength and weaknesses. It's the same reason we've been massive CL underachievers. At the highest level, we get found out. The main reason we fare better against City is they've often been as naive and inflexible as we are and lack the aura Man U and Chelsea have had over us.
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comment by BO$$™ (U6401)
posted 6 minutes ago
End of the day a world class striker can score goals out of nothing, be it a 25 yard rocket or he dribbles past 2-3 players and smashes it in the top corner.
We havent had one of them since Henry/RVP and thats one of the big reason we are loosing these tight games.
United - Have/Had Rooney/RVP
City - Have Aguero
Chelsea - Had Drogba and now Costa (although nowhere near as good as Drogba)
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posted 42 seconds ago
It's tactical naivety and a failure to adapt our preparation to the opposition's strength and weaknesses. It's the same reason we've been massive CL underachievers. At the highest level, we get found out. The main reason we fare better against City is they've often been as naive and inflexible as we are and lack the aura Man U and Chelsea have had over us.
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Agreed - It's no surprise both we and City struggle in the CL.
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posted 3 minutes ago
Tbf, after the humiliating hammerings we took 2 seasons ago, we set up a lot more cautiously last season. We borderline park the bus in many big games. Like away games at the Etihad, Anfield, WHL and OT last season
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which makes your previous answer relevant as it means Wenger wuill have indeed prepared for the oppositions strengths.
The best answer is with regards to a striker who would mean we would win irrespective of the number of times our defense is breached as we would always score more.
The 0-0 draws against united everytime we play cautiously at the Emirates are the reason why wenger is never sure how to set the team up. We aren't winning enough of our home games against the top teams.
I maintain, most likely result is a draw unless we make a howler as we usually do or Sanchez pulls something out of his bag of tricks.He is the only player they cant shackle. Sadly Sanchez fluctuates from sublime to ridiculous at times. Theo will be shackled by Smalling, you wait and see.
posted on 29/9/15
Some on this thread have personal issue(s).
posted on 29/9/15
GT
posted on 29/9/15
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 3 minutes ago
Some on this thread have personal issue(s).
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Unlike Wenger, whom has personnel issues.
posted on 29/9/15
Only kidding about Giroud, well half kidding anyway
Wenger has never really been great at big, one-off games, hence why we've struggled to achieve anything in Europe.
He's always been much better at consistency against teams from middle to low in the table.
Think we will beat United, though
posted on 29/9/15
Playing at old Trafford and the bridge are inevitable losses.
The games are so so predictable. We create fack all and mince about outside of the box without any penetration. Then United/ Chelsea score with their first chance and before you know it it's another 2-0 loss.
Sunday has draw written all over it
posted on 29/9/15
Tottenham and Arsenal had 0 shots in 1st half at OT last season in the league and we had 7 shots 3 on target and 8 shots 2 on target. Its very weird as apart from our decimated injuries side that somehow won at the emirates we usually contain you well enough. Fa cup game going down to 10 men we left lots of gaps in behind but you didn't score from good half chances.
I honestly think there was a shift in power between us last season in that OT game were we stifled you and if we had some other striker instead of Falcao we would have won the game. Falcao was clean through on goal 6yds out but got caught up by an Arsenal player 3-4yds behind him.
posted on 29/9/15
Last time we played Utd we won
posted on 29/9/15
CEG you do realise you salvaged a lucky draw last time you played us right.
posted on 29/9/15
Since SAF left we got unlucky in our games against Utd, don't think there is any particular reason why but we just didn't take our chances, expecting a comfortable win on Sunday though.
posted on 29/9/15
CEG you do realise you salvaged a lucky draw last time you played us right.
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and you do realise you got one of the most luckiest wins ever at the emirates last season..
posted on 29/9/15
i actually forgot about that dead rubber of a league game
posted on 29/9/15
Not lucky to have so many injuries to our defence before game and then have an injury during the game. To be honest you were lucky Di Maria missed a one on one to make it 3-0 and seconds later its 1-2. Also we were clean through on goal once in 2nd half about 3-5yds onside and linesmen flagged what most likely looked like being a certain goal as no Arsenal player was within 10yds of our player as left back player played everyone on.
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