Look at Dortmunds teams under Klopp and replace the players with similar players at Liverpool
Sturridge = Aubemeyang
Coutinho = Kagawa?
Can = Gundogan?
Allen = Sahin
Ings = Lewandowski
Obviously some of these aren't as good as the Dortmund players but they share similar qualities in the way they play
The problem is the wide players. For 4-3-2-1 you need to have wide players. At the moment we have Ibe as the only natural wide player.
To play this system, we'd need Milner to play on the right side, which could be an issue according to rumours that he signed on the condition he would play centrally and Coutinho, on the left, which I believe is his best position anyhow as he finds space and cuts in.
With Milner on the right, Benteke would get good service also. However, what about Sturridge then?
For me the 4-2-3-1 doesn't suit our players.
However we could easily play with Coutinho on the left, Milner on the right, with Sturridge and Benteke up front, with Sturridge dropping in the make it a 4-2-3-1. Sturridge's link up play and workrate are underrated, so I think it would work. We then have the option of bringing in Firmino, in place of Sturridge/Benteke when one is injured/suspended/rested/dropped etc.
-------------------------------Mignolet------------------------------
Clyne--------------Skrtel----------------Sakho------------Moreno
----------------------Henderson---------Can------------------------
Milner-------------------------Sturridge------------------Coutinho
-------------------------------Benteke--------------------------------
Romours are that he scouted (and wanted) Firmino when he was still at BVB. Supposing it's true, can he fit Firmino in the same team with Coutinho? If Milner playes on the right, Coutinho on the left, that leave the 10 role behind the striker...will he slot him in there or will Sturridge take that spot.
comment by EsGibtNurEinenReds (U1721)
posted 9 minutes ago
The problem is the wide players. For 4-3-2-1 you need to have wide players. At the moment we have Ibe as the only natural wide player.
To play this system, we'd need Milner to play on the right side, which could be an issue according to rumours that he signed on the condition he would play centrally and Coutinho, on the left, which I believe is his best position anyhow as he finds space and cuts in.
With Milner on the right, Benteke would get good service also. However, what about Sturridge then?
For me the 4-2-3-1 doesn't suit our players.
However we could easily play with Coutinho on the left, Milner on the right, with Sturridge and Benteke up front, with Sturridge dropping in the make it a 4-2-3-1. Sturridge's link up play and workrate are underrated, so I think it would work. We then have the option of bringing in Firmino, in place of Sturridge/Benteke when one is injured/suspended/rested/dropped etc.
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Will Markovic work in this system? Can he be recalled?
comment by Pass_it_to_Coutinho (U20494)
posted 9 seconds ago
Romours are that he scouted (and wanted) Firmino when he was still at BVB. Supposing it's true, can he fit Firmino in the same team with Coutinho? If Milner playes on the right, Coutinho on the left, that leave the 10 role behind the striker...will he slot him in there or will Sturridge take that spot.
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For me, Sturridge has to play. He's our best player and best goalscorer.
4-2-3-1 doesn't really suit our players, so I think Klopp should go with the diamond, at least until January, until he can get a wide player in.
-------------------------------Mignolet-------------------------------
Clyne----------------Skrtel-------------Sakho--------Moreno
----------------------------------Can---------------------------------
-------------------Milner-----------------Henderson------------
-------------------------------Coutinho----------------------------
--------------------Benteke------------Sturridge------------------
I doubt Markovic can be recalled, depends if there are clauses, I guess. I would say if they've paid a fee, it would be unrealistic to expect us to have a recall clause.
comment by EsGibtNurEinenReds (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Pass_it_to_Coutinho (U20494)
posted 9 seconds ago
Romours are that he scouted (and wanted) Firmino when he was still at BVB. Supposing it's true, can he fit Firmino in the same team with Coutinho? If Milner playes on the right, Coutinho on the left, that leave the 10 role behind the striker...will he slot him in there or will Sturridge take that spot.
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For me, Sturridge has to play. He's our best player and best goalscorer.
4-2-3-1 doesn't really suit our players, so I think Klopp should go with the diamond, at least until January, until he can get a wide player in.
-------------------------------Mignolet-------------------------------
Clyne----------------Skrtel-------------Sakho--------Moreno
----------------------------------Can---------------------------------
-------------------Milner-----------------Henderson------------
-------------------------------Coutinho----------------------------
--------------------Benteke------------Sturridge------------------
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Which brings me back to my initial question. Does Klopp play any other system apart from 4-2-3-1? Is there evidence of this?
comment by Pass_it_to_Coutinho (U20494)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by EsGibtNurEinenReds (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Pass_it_to_Coutinho (U20494)
posted 9 seconds ago
Romours are that he scouted (and wanted) Firmino when he was still at BVB. Supposing it's true, can he fit Firmino in the same team with Coutinho? If Milner playes on the right, Coutinho on the left, that leave the 10 role behind the striker...will he slot him in there or will Sturridge take that spot.
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For me, Sturridge has to play. He's our best player and best goalscorer.
4-2-3-1 doesn't really suit our players, so I think Klopp should go with the diamond, at least until January, until he can get a wide player in.
-------------------------------Mignolet-------------------------------
Clyne----------------Skrtel-------------Sakho--------Moreno
----------------------------------Can---------------------------------
-------------------Milner-----------------Henderson------------
-------------------------------Coutinho----------------------------
--------------------Benteke------------Sturridge------------------
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Which brings me back to my initial question. Does Klopp play any other system apart from 4-2-3-1? Is there evidence of this?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I wouldn't know. I saw Dortmund a few times under him and he always played 4-2-3-1, with pace on the wings and attacking full backs. His two in midfield were very defensive also.
comment by Ramböue (U12551)
posted 32 minutes ago
Look at Dortmunds teams under Klopp and replace the players with similar players at Liverpool
Sturridge = Aubemeyang
Coutinho = Kagawa?
Can = Gundogan?
Allen = Sahin
Ings = Lewandowski
Obviously some of these aren't as good as the Dortmund players but they share similar qualities in the way they play
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I don't see how Allen is on that list, he shouldn't even be listed as a footballer!
Be that as it may, I hope Klopp comes in with a system that he will stick with and "make it work", It's great playing multiple systems, but as we saw under BR, we lost an "identity".
Klopp mixed it up a bit formation-wise in his final season with Dortmund. However, that was really due to the poor form of the team (I guess a little like Rodgers changed us to 352).
He definitely preferred 4231 for several years prior to that at BVB.
comment by EsGibtNurEinenReds (U1721)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Pass_it_to_Coutinho (U20494)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by EsGibtNurEinenReds (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Pass_it_to_Coutinho (U20494)
posted 9 seconds ago
Romours are that he scouted (and wanted) Firmino when he was still at BVB. Supposing it's true, can he fit Firmino in the same team with Coutinho? If Milner playes on the right, Coutinho on the left, that leave the 10 role behind the striker...will he slot him in there or will Sturridge take that spot.
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For me, Sturridge has to play. He's our best player and best goalscorer.
4-2-3-1 doesn't really suit our players, so I think Klopp should go with the diamond, at least until January, until he can get a wide player in.
-------------------------------Mignolet-------------------------------
Clyne----------------Skrtel-------------Sakho--------Moreno
----------------------------------Can---------------------------------
-------------------Milner-----------------Henderson------------
-------------------------------Coutinho----------------------------
--------------------Benteke------------Sturridge------------------
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Which brings me back to my initial question. Does Klopp play any other system apart from 4-2-3-1? Is there evidence of this?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I wouldn't know. I saw Dortmund a few times under him and he always played 4-2-3-1, with pace on the wings and attacking full backs. His two in midfield were very defensive also.
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I guess we sorted on the attacking fullbacks part. Moreno and Clyne love bombing forward, though I have reservations on Moreno's defensive abilities.
Klopp will prefer the likes of Coutinho and Lallana to Benteke and Milner.
Sturridge = Aubemeyang - I actually think Sturridge has a lot more ability.
Coutinho = Kagawa - Fair comparison on Kagawas Dortmund form
Can = Gundogan
Allen = Sahin
Ings = Lewandowski
Dortmund also have 11 players who can play football. Liverpool trying to play from the back just doesn't work, BR tried it.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 5 minutes ago
Klopp will prefer the likes of Coutinho and Lallana to Benteke and Milner.
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Some say he will perfer Milner for his pressing (engine)...guess we'll have to wait and see.
comment by Pass_it_to_Coutinho (U20494)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 5 minutes ago
Klopp will prefer the likes of Coutinho and Lallana to Benteke and Milner.
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Some say he will perfer Milner for his pressing (engine)...guess we'll have to wait and see.
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Milner will likely start. Guess its a poor comparison but the likes of Lallana, Coutinho, Firmino and Sturridge should really flourish under Klopp.
I imagine he will line up 4-2-3-1 and play a back 5 of mignolet, Clyne, Skrtel, Sakho and Moreno.
His 2 will likely be hendo and I wouldn't be surprised to see Emre Can alongside him. Though he has the options of Lucas, Allen and Milner.
with the attacking 3 he has the obvious Coutinho, Firmino and Lallana. However, I wouldn't be surprised to see Milner in one of those slots. The attacking 3 is a narrow three so wingers aren't necessary as the wing backs brovide the width in Klopp's 4-2-3-1.
I hear Benteke was a transfer target for Klopp at Dortmund. If that's the case then he would likely drop Sturridge into the attacking 3 as the right sided attacker to utilise his left foot when cutting inside meaning Benteke sits up top as a target man for the 3 attackers and possibly one of the holding 2 to surge past.
On the weekend I'd expect a line up of
Mignolet
Clyne--Skrtel--Sakho--Moreno
Lucas-- Can
Sturridge--Lallana--Milner
Benteke
If Benteke is fit of course. Otherwise Sturridge up top and Ibe in the attacking 3.
That is based on the news that Coutinho and Firmino are injured.
He didn't go on international duty and he seemed a little lacklustre in the derby. Haven't heard much news about the severity of the injury though.
Studge won't be happy at right wing, and I wouldn't want him to be..
He's best leading the line on the shoulder of the last man..
Hendo/can midfield
Firmino/cout as inside forwards,
Sturridge and benteke up top, which is fine because they both drift and will come deep for the ball..
In fact if you have two sitting midfielders, one of the fullbacks will bomb on (depending what side we are attacking on) meaning firmino or cout can move centrally to the space.
I.e. Like this attacking down the left, I would expect coutinho to move in to the central hole: with one sitting midfielder dropping in to the vacated space.
-------------Benteke---------sturridge---------------
Moreno-------------coutinho--------------firmino
--------------------------------------can---------------------
-------Hendo-----------------------------------------------
-----------------Sakho---------skrtel------------clyne
OP, here's a read on Klopp's possible formation and variations if you're interested:
http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/oct/09/liverpool-jurgen-klopp-tactics-exciting-combination
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comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
In fact if you have two sitting midfielders, one of the fullbacks will bomb on (depending what side we are attacking on) meaning firmino or cout can move centrally to the space.
I.e. Like this attacking down the left, I would expect coutinho to move in to the central hole: with one sitting midfielder dropping in to the vacated space.
-------------Benteke---------sturridge---------------
Moreno-------------coutinho--------------firmino
--------------------------------------can---------------------
-------Hendo-----------------------------------------------
-----------------Sakho---------skrtel------------clyne
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posted on 12/10/15
Look at Dortmunds teams under Klopp and replace the players with similar players at Liverpool
Sturridge = Aubemeyang
Coutinho = Kagawa?
Can = Gundogan?
Allen = Sahin
Ings = Lewandowski
Obviously some of these aren't as good as the Dortmund players but they share similar qualities in the way they play
posted on 12/10/15
The problem is the wide players. For 4-3-2-1 you need to have wide players. At the moment we have Ibe as the only natural wide player.
To play this system, we'd need Milner to play on the right side, which could be an issue according to rumours that he signed on the condition he would play centrally and Coutinho, on the left, which I believe is his best position anyhow as he finds space and cuts in.
With Milner on the right, Benteke would get good service also. However, what about Sturridge then?
For me the 4-2-3-1 doesn't suit our players.
However we could easily play with Coutinho on the left, Milner on the right, with Sturridge and Benteke up front, with Sturridge dropping in the make it a 4-2-3-1. Sturridge's link up play and workrate are underrated, so I think it would work. We then have the option of bringing in Firmino, in place of Sturridge/Benteke when one is injured/suspended/rested/dropped etc.
posted on 12/10/15
-------------------------------Mignolet------------------------------
Clyne--------------Skrtel----------------Sakho------------Moreno
----------------------Henderson---------Can------------------------
Milner-------------------------Sturridge------------------Coutinho
-------------------------------Benteke--------------------------------
posted on 12/10/15
Romours are that he scouted (and wanted) Firmino when he was still at BVB. Supposing it's true, can he fit Firmino in the same team with Coutinho? If Milner playes on the right, Coutinho on the left, that leave the 10 role behind the striker...will he slot him in there or will Sturridge take that spot.
posted on 12/10/15
comment by EsGibtNurEinenReds (U1721)
posted 9 minutes ago
The problem is the wide players. For 4-3-2-1 you need to have wide players. At the moment we have Ibe as the only natural wide player.
To play this system, we'd need Milner to play on the right side, which could be an issue according to rumours that he signed on the condition he would play centrally and Coutinho, on the left, which I believe is his best position anyhow as he finds space and cuts in.
With Milner on the right, Benteke would get good service also. However, what about Sturridge then?
For me the 4-2-3-1 doesn't suit our players.
However we could easily play with Coutinho on the left, Milner on the right, with Sturridge and Benteke up front, with Sturridge dropping in the make it a 4-2-3-1. Sturridge's link up play and workrate are underrated, so I think it would work. We then have the option of bringing in Firmino, in place of Sturridge/Benteke when one is injured/suspended/rested/dropped etc.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Will Markovic work in this system? Can he be recalled?
posted on 12/10/15
comment by Pass_it_to_Coutinho (U20494)
posted 9 seconds ago
Romours are that he scouted (and wanted) Firmino when he was still at BVB. Supposing it's true, can he fit Firmino in the same team with Coutinho? If Milner playes on the right, Coutinho on the left, that leave the 10 role behind the striker...will he slot him in there or will Sturridge take that spot.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
For me, Sturridge has to play. He's our best player and best goalscorer.
4-2-3-1 doesn't really suit our players, so I think Klopp should go with the diamond, at least until January, until he can get a wide player in.
-------------------------------Mignolet-------------------------------
Clyne----------------Skrtel-------------Sakho--------Moreno
----------------------------------Can---------------------------------
-------------------Milner-----------------Henderson------------
-------------------------------Coutinho----------------------------
--------------------Benteke------------Sturridge------------------
posted on 12/10/15
I doubt Markovic can be recalled, depends if there are clauses, I guess. I would say if they've paid a fee, it would be unrealistic to expect us to have a recall clause.
posted on 12/10/15
comment by EsGibtNurEinenReds (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Pass_it_to_Coutinho (U20494)
posted 9 seconds ago
Romours are that he scouted (and wanted) Firmino when he was still at BVB. Supposing it's true, can he fit Firmino in the same team with Coutinho? If Milner playes on the right, Coutinho on the left, that leave the 10 role behind the striker...will he slot him in there or will Sturridge take that spot.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
For me, Sturridge has to play. He's our best player and best goalscorer.
4-2-3-1 doesn't really suit our players, so I think Klopp should go with the diamond, at least until January, until he can get a wide player in.
-------------------------------Mignolet-------------------------------
Clyne----------------Skrtel-------------Sakho--------Moreno
----------------------------------Can---------------------------------
-------------------Milner-----------------Henderson------------
-------------------------------Coutinho----------------------------
--------------------Benteke------------Sturridge------------------
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Which brings me back to my initial question. Does Klopp play any other system apart from 4-2-3-1? Is there evidence of this?
posted on 12/10/15
comment by Pass_it_to_Coutinho (U20494)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by EsGibtNurEinenReds (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Pass_it_to_Coutinho (U20494)
posted 9 seconds ago
Romours are that he scouted (and wanted) Firmino when he was still at BVB. Supposing it's true, can he fit Firmino in the same team with Coutinho? If Milner playes on the right, Coutinho on the left, that leave the 10 role behind the striker...will he slot him in there or will Sturridge take that spot.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
For me, Sturridge has to play. He's our best player and best goalscorer.
4-2-3-1 doesn't really suit our players, so I think Klopp should go with the diamond, at least until January, until he can get a wide player in.
-------------------------------Mignolet-------------------------------
Clyne----------------Skrtel-------------Sakho--------Moreno
----------------------------------Can---------------------------------
-------------------Milner-----------------Henderson------------
-------------------------------Coutinho----------------------------
--------------------Benteke------------Sturridge------------------
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Which brings me back to my initial question. Does Klopp play any other system apart from 4-2-3-1? Is there evidence of this?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I wouldn't know. I saw Dortmund a few times under him and he always played 4-2-3-1, with pace on the wings and attacking full backs. His two in midfield were very defensive also.
posted on 12/10/15
comment by Ramböue (U12551)
posted 32 minutes ago
Look at Dortmunds teams under Klopp and replace the players with similar players at Liverpool
Sturridge = Aubemeyang
Coutinho = Kagawa?
Can = Gundogan?
Allen = Sahin
Ings = Lewandowski
Obviously some of these aren't as good as the Dortmund players but they share similar qualities in the way they play
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't see how Allen is on that list, he shouldn't even be listed as a footballer!
posted on 12/10/15
Be that as it may, I hope Klopp comes in with a system that he will stick with and "make it work", It's great playing multiple systems, but as we saw under BR, we lost an "identity".
posted on 12/10/15
Klopp mixed it up a bit formation-wise in his final season with Dortmund. However, that was really due to the poor form of the team (I guess a little like Rodgers changed us to 352).
He definitely preferred 4231 for several years prior to that at BVB.
posted on 12/10/15
comment by EsGibtNurEinenReds (U1721)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Pass_it_to_Coutinho (U20494)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by EsGibtNurEinenReds (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Pass_it_to_Coutinho (U20494)
posted 9 seconds ago
Romours are that he scouted (and wanted) Firmino when he was still at BVB. Supposing it's true, can he fit Firmino in the same team with Coutinho? If Milner playes on the right, Coutinho on the left, that leave the 10 role behind the striker...will he slot him in there or will Sturridge take that spot.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
For me, Sturridge has to play. He's our best player and best goalscorer.
4-2-3-1 doesn't really suit our players, so I think Klopp should go with the diamond, at least until January, until he can get a wide player in.
-------------------------------Mignolet-------------------------------
Clyne----------------Skrtel-------------Sakho--------Moreno
----------------------------------Can---------------------------------
-------------------Milner-----------------Henderson------------
-------------------------------Coutinho----------------------------
--------------------Benteke------------Sturridge------------------
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Which brings me back to my initial question. Does Klopp play any other system apart from 4-2-3-1? Is there evidence of this?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I wouldn't know. I saw Dortmund a few times under him and he always played 4-2-3-1, with pace on the wings and attacking full backs. His two in midfield were very defensive also.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I guess we sorted on the attacking fullbacks part. Moreno and Clyne love bombing forward, though I have reservations on Moreno's defensive abilities.
posted on 12/10/15
Klopp will prefer the likes of Coutinho and Lallana to Benteke and Milner.
posted on 12/10/15
Sturridge = Aubemeyang - I actually think Sturridge has a lot more ability.
Coutinho = Kagawa - Fair comparison on Kagawas Dortmund form
Can = Gundogan
Allen = Sahin
Ings = Lewandowski
Dortmund also have 11 players who can play football. Liverpool trying to play from the back just doesn't work, BR tried it.
posted on 12/10/15
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 5 minutes ago
Klopp will prefer the likes of Coutinho and Lallana to Benteke and Milner.
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Some say he will perfer Milner for his pressing (engine)...guess we'll have to wait and see.
posted on 12/10/15
comment by Pass_it_to_Coutinho (U20494)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 5 minutes ago
Klopp will prefer the likes of Coutinho and Lallana to Benteke and Milner.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Some say he will perfer Milner for his pressing (engine)...guess we'll have to wait and see.
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Milner will likely start. Guess its a poor comparison but the likes of Lallana, Coutinho, Firmino and Sturridge should really flourish under Klopp.
posted on 12/10/15
I imagine he will line up 4-2-3-1 and play a back 5 of mignolet, Clyne, Skrtel, Sakho and Moreno.
His 2 will likely be hendo and I wouldn't be surprised to see Emre Can alongside him. Though he has the options of Lucas, Allen and Milner.
with the attacking 3 he has the obvious Coutinho, Firmino and Lallana. However, I wouldn't be surprised to see Milner in one of those slots. The attacking 3 is a narrow three so wingers aren't necessary as the wing backs brovide the width in Klopp's 4-2-3-1.
I hear Benteke was a transfer target for Klopp at Dortmund. If that's the case then he would likely drop Sturridge into the attacking 3 as the right sided attacker to utilise his left foot when cutting inside meaning Benteke sits up top as a target man for the 3 attackers and possibly one of the holding 2 to surge past.
On the weekend I'd expect a line up of
Mignolet
Clyne--Skrtel--Sakho--Moreno
Lucas-- Can
Sturridge--Lallana--Milner
Benteke
If Benteke is fit of course. Otherwise Sturridge up top and Ibe in the attacking 3.
That is based on the news that Coutinho and Firmino are injured.
posted on 12/10/15
Coutinho is injured?
posted on 12/10/15
He didn't go on international duty and he seemed a little lacklustre in the derby. Haven't heard much news about the severity of the injury though.
posted on 12/10/15
Studge won't be happy at right wing, and I wouldn't want him to be..
He's best leading the line on the shoulder of the last man..
Hendo/can midfield
Firmino/cout as inside forwards,
Sturridge and benteke up top, which is fine because they both drift and will come deep for the ball..
posted on 12/10/15
In fact if you have two sitting midfielders, one of the fullbacks will bomb on (depending what side we are attacking on) meaning firmino or cout can move centrally to the space.
I.e. Like this attacking down the left, I would expect coutinho to move in to the central hole: with one sitting midfielder dropping in to the vacated space.
-------------Benteke---------sturridge---------------
Moreno-------------coutinho--------------firmino
--------------------------------------can---------------------
-------Hendo-----------------------------------------------
-----------------Sakho---------skrtel------------clyne
posted on 12/10/15
OP, here's a read on Klopp's possible formation and variations if you're interested:
http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/oct/09/liverpool-jurgen-klopp-tactics-exciting-combination
posted on 12/10/15
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posted on 12/10/15
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
In fact if you have two sitting midfielders, one of the fullbacks will bomb on (depending what side we are attacking on) meaning firmino or cout can move centrally to the space.
I.e. Like this attacking down the left, I would expect coutinho to move in to the central hole: with one sitting midfielder dropping in to the vacated space.
-------------Benteke---------sturridge---------------
Moreno-------------coutinho--------------firmino
--------------------------------------can---------------------
-------Hendo-----------------------------------------------
-----------------Sakho---------skrtel------------clyne
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