A. Yes. I think he has taken us as far as he can. Every season he has been in charge has followed a similar pattern.
B. Possibly. I doubt the club will sell in the next two or three months though. Not unless someone with bags of cash comes a long, so it will be unlikely that it is a 'genuine football person.'.
A) For me you sack a manager when he is achieving significantly less than he should be with the tools at his disposal. If we finish 8th this season I'll see that as a par finish so wouldn't want him out.
B) Blind Bambi. We might see a Whelan / Martinez love in or a Cellino situation where Manager of The Month becomes a job title rather than an award.
A. Performance dependant more than position at this point for me, but much as I am sick of Kenny right now, sacking him for an 8th place finish would be a little silly, and lets not forget Mick went backwards before going forwards again.
B. Don't see new owners coming in that soon, but if they did then any managers job would be at risk.
and lets not forget Mick went backwards before going forwards again.
there's always one that wants to drag us back to Mick
But it is a very valid point.
I'm not sure it is even remotely relevant.
Kenneth promised promotion - so as a man of his word we wont need to sack him as he'll walk
That is certainly what his fan club thought would happen T.
Either he would fail and do "the honourable thing" or he would outperform expectations and be poached or walk away when he realised his ambition was greater than ours.
I think most people now think his time with us will end in the tick-tack
and a "bonus" for being shiiit as we pay him off before he gets a new job 6 weeks later
Of course it is valid.
We should have sacked Mick after our second champo season if we should sack Kenny after this one for finishing eighth.
But we know what happened next, and much as Kenny is getting right on my pip this season with terrible team selections, he has shown enough at other times to suggest he can easily right the ship.
1) there is almost a decade between McCarthy's 2nd season and this season. Things, including our club and the league around us can change a lot in almost ten years.
2) Jackett is already in his third season.
Judge Jackett against what Jackett does not what Mick did or sack him now 'cause he ain't gonna match him Merlin!
I think we'd all like to see KJ do as well as MM.
However, this month, under Kenny, we've scored 2 goals.
Ipswich, in the same number of games, have scored NINE.
It doesn't take a rocket-scientist to see where our problem lies, and that is one reason why I don't have total confidence in our current manager.
Completely agree bute, our midfield creativity is crap, but hopefully next game we see a change on that front and it seems a majority of fans want that change.
I would judge him on signings, team selection and personality.
His 1st season was excellent in the 1st 2 of those but he hasn't done a lot since. Personality is important too as does a lot for how the fans connect with the club.
I think a good example of this is how Pearson was at Leicester- did a miraculous job keeping them up but he was such a tool that I would think even the best Leicester fan would have been glad he got sacked. It seemed mad at the time but look at them now! Kenny does have a habbit of sounding like a broken record. Sure if we were winning then the view around him would be more positive but he provides little entertainment so whenever the football goes sour there is no buffer at all.
There is not really anyone else about to replace him (for cheap) anyways....he is exactly right for Wolves at the moment.
Cheap
Average
Not a relegation risk
Tows the line in every respect
I would sooner that than any pleb that Celino takes on......
comment by Cinciwolf----KoP champion, HC+DG champion, officially paid for being here-----$254 (U11551)
posted 10 minutes ago
Completely agree bute, our midfield creativity is crap, but hopefully next game we see a change on that front and it seems a majority of fans want that change.
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It'll be Henry and Graham wide and Afobe behind ALF I imagine. How he changes that when it doesn't work is anyone's guess but Afobe and ALF haven't looked great so far as a front two.
he fauxed up last season when he had a team good enough for promotion and he's fauxing up this season.
get shut now
I don't get the criticism with ALF and Afobe, liked like they were building a decent understand when played together and we were scoring goals.
Granted ALF isn't dicko, so we shouldn't expect that kind of chemistry, but he will always score goals so if we played be and Afobe til the end of the season I would say another 30 goals between the two of them isn't a stretch.
I wasn't criticising ALF particularly.
He isn't Dicko we all know that but it sounds like he made all the difference on Saturday and that it was ALF slotting into Afobe's role rather than Afobe slotting into Edwards' role that made the difference.
A- No, he's had a weaker squad to play with.
B- Impossible to answer. It'll go something like the new owner 1- Dislikes KJ's ways and it's the boot or 2- Likes KJ and it's carry on Kenneth
Afobe for me has been hopelessly isolated when up front on his own and we don't play the only way that would possibly suit him in that scenario, and that is with neat and tidy football through the middle of the park.
Afobes head has dropped a little, no doubt about that, but all the blame cannot be aimed at him, you have to play to players strengths.
Hopefully for now we just go 4-4-2 and I would rather have two pacy wingers, Henry has been very erratic this season.
I wouldn't mind seeing Henry in the ten if we went that route, but we really must give up on Edwards playing there because it effectively makes Afobe redundant.
But he has looked equally poor in a front two AND when he has been asked to drop deeper.
Can't cut it up front on his own, doesn't do well in a front two unless the other striker acts as his water carrier, doesn't look good when he drops deep.
If Afobe had gone off for ALF rather than Edwards (and I don't think anyone would have complained) there would have been a pretty good chance Edwards would have been on the end of the ALF cross - arriving in those positions is what he does best.
Give them another go as a front two on Saturday by all means but I don't expect sparks from them.
I think you are going well over the top with Afobe, he hasn't been anywhere near as bad as you are making out.
At the start of the season I felt he looked sharp and keen to impress and is another who has suffered badly from Kennys shambolic mess this season, we effectively have a team that look like they have barely met.
I don't.
I thought last season that he was a 20 goal Championship striker having the season of his life. I still think the same and a 20 goal a season Championship striker is a very useful commodity.
I think you (and plenty of others) were the ones going over the top last season just like you were over the top about Jackett.
I don't do the wild swings between genius and moron whether its players or managers
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posted on 23/11/15
posted on 23/11/15
A. Yes. I think he has taken us as far as he can. Every season he has been in charge has followed a similar pattern.
B. Possibly. I doubt the club will sell in the next two or three months though. Not unless someone with bags of cash comes a long, so it will be unlikely that it is a 'genuine football person.'.
posted on 23/11/15
A) For me you sack a manager when he is achieving significantly less than he should be with the tools at his disposal. If we finish 8th this season I'll see that as a par finish so wouldn't want him out.
B) Blind Bambi. We might see a Whelan / Martinez love in or a Cellino situation where Manager of The Month becomes a job title rather than an award.
posted on 23/11/15
A. Performance dependant more than position at this point for me, but much as I am sick of Kenny right now, sacking him for an 8th place finish would be a little silly, and lets not forget Mick went backwards before going forwards again.
B. Don't see new owners coming in that soon, but if they did then any managers job would be at risk.
posted on 23/11/15
and lets not forget Mick went backwards before going forwards again.
there's always one that wants to drag us back to Mick
posted on 23/11/15
But it is a very valid point.
posted on 23/11/15
I'm not sure it is even remotely relevant.
posted on 23/11/15
Kenneth promised promotion - so as a man of his word we wont need to sack him as he'll walk
posted on 23/11/15
That is certainly what his fan club thought would happen T.
Either he would fail and do "the honourable thing" or he would outperform expectations and be poached or walk away when he realised his ambition was greater than ours.
I think most people now think his time with us will end in the tick-tack
posted on 23/11/15
and a "bonus" for being shiiit as we pay him off before he gets a new job 6 weeks later
posted on 23/11/15
Of course it is valid.
We should have sacked Mick after our second champo season if we should sack Kenny after this one for finishing eighth.
But we know what happened next, and much as Kenny is getting right on my pip this season with terrible team selections, he has shown enough at other times to suggest he can easily right the ship.
posted on 23/11/15
1) there is almost a decade between McCarthy's 2nd season and this season. Things, including our club and the league around us can change a lot in almost ten years.
2) Jackett is already in his third season.
Judge Jackett against what Jackett does not what Mick did or sack him now 'cause he ain't gonna match him Merlin!
posted on 23/11/15
I think we'd all like to see KJ do as well as MM.
However, this month, under Kenny, we've scored 2 goals.
Ipswich, in the same number of games, have scored NINE.
It doesn't take a rocket-scientist to see where our problem lies, and that is one reason why I don't have total confidence in our current manager.
posted on 23/11/15
Completely agree bute, our midfield creativity is crap, but hopefully next game we see a change on that front and it seems a majority of fans want that change.
posted on 23/11/15
I would judge him on signings, team selection and personality.
His 1st season was excellent in the 1st 2 of those but he hasn't done a lot since. Personality is important too as does a lot for how the fans connect with the club.
I think a good example of this is how Pearson was at Leicester- did a miraculous job keeping them up but he was such a tool that I would think even the best Leicester fan would have been glad he got sacked. It seemed mad at the time but look at them now! Kenny does have a habbit of sounding like a broken record. Sure if we were winning then the view around him would be more positive but he provides little entertainment so whenever the football goes sour there is no buffer at all.
There is not really anyone else about to replace him (for cheap) anyways....he is exactly right for Wolves at the moment.
Cheap
Average
Not a relegation risk
Tows the line in every respect
I would sooner that than any pleb that Celino takes on......
posted on 23/11/15
comment by Cinciwolf----KoP champion, HC+DG champion, officially paid for being here-----$254 (U11551)
posted 10 minutes ago
Completely agree bute, our midfield creativity is crap, but hopefully next game we see a change on that front and it seems a majority of fans want that change.
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It'll be Henry and Graham wide and Afobe behind ALF I imagine. How he changes that when it doesn't work is anyone's guess but Afobe and ALF haven't looked great so far as a front two.
posted on 23/11/15
he fauxed up last season when he had a team good enough for promotion and he's fauxing up this season.
get shut now
posted on 23/11/15
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posted on 23/11/15
I don't get the criticism with ALF and Afobe, liked like they were building a decent understand when played together and we were scoring goals.
Granted ALF isn't dicko, so we shouldn't expect that kind of chemistry, but he will always score goals so if we played be and Afobe til the end of the season I would say another 30 goals between the two of them isn't a stretch.
posted on 23/11/15
I wasn't criticising ALF particularly.
He isn't Dicko we all know that but it sounds like he made all the difference on Saturday and that it was ALF slotting into Afobe's role rather than Afobe slotting into Edwards' role that made the difference.
posted on 23/11/15
A- No, he's had a weaker squad to play with.
B- Impossible to answer. It'll go something like the new owner 1- Dislikes KJ's ways and it's the boot or 2- Likes KJ and it's carry on Kenneth
posted on 23/11/15
Afobe for me has been hopelessly isolated when up front on his own and we don't play the only way that would possibly suit him in that scenario, and that is with neat and tidy football through the middle of the park.
Afobes head has dropped a little, no doubt about that, but all the blame cannot be aimed at him, you have to play to players strengths.
Hopefully for now we just go 4-4-2 and I would rather have two pacy wingers, Henry has been very erratic this season.
I wouldn't mind seeing Henry in the ten if we went that route, but we really must give up on Edwards playing there because it effectively makes Afobe redundant.
posted on 23/11/15
But he has looked equally poor in a front two AND when he has been asked to drop deeper.
Can't cut it up front on his own, doesn't do well in a front two unless the other striker acts as his water carrier, doesn't look good when he drops deep.
If Afobe had gone off for ALF rather than Edwards (and I don't think anyone would have complained) there would have been a pretty good chance Edwards would have been on the end of the ALF cross - arriving in those positions is what he does best.
Give them another go as a front two on Saturday by all means but I don't expect sparks from them.
posted on 23/11/15
I think you are going well over the top with Afobe, he hasn't been anywhere near as bad as you are making out.
At the start of the season I felt he looked sharp and keen to impress and is another who has suffered badly from Kennys shambolic mess this season, we effectively have a team that look like they have barely met.
posted on 23/11/15
I don't.
I thought last season that he was a 20 goal Championship striker having the season of his life. I still think the same and a 20 goal a season Championship striker is a very useful commodity.
I think you (and plenty of others) were the ones going over the top last season just like you were over the top about Jackett.
I don't do the wild swings between genius and moron whether its players or managers
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