Best to leave the good ship BWFC alone until its destination is resolved I understand we could be league 1 next but it maybe just a stop over on route to the terminus.
A vacant position and legal issues could detract from more urgent matters such as finding the finances to fulfil fixtures and get through to Jan 4th when the world begins to return to normal. See how many leave in the Fire Sale take it from there.
He could always end up redundant while we are in limbo there are many combinations to this one nobody will make a decision any time soon.
Right manager, wrong era. Lennon would have done a good job with the team that got relegated. No one can do anything with this lot. Not paid, unmotivated, no quality. Everyones given up.
Totally disagree 63. No other manager in the four divisions has both hands tied behind his back the way Lennon does. In fact if I was taking over I'd make my first order of business a meeting with Neil to make sure he knew I want him to stay and he'd be backed with funds in the next available transfer window to rebuild on the field.
Add this to your thinking too please. If we sacked him now we'd owe him compensation. As a football creditor he would be due that money IN FULL even before the taxman should we go into administration or we would not be allowed to come out of it. Sacking him now would make our off field problems worse and in my opinion would also be wrong for footballing reasons. He's the right man to do the job but he has to be given at least some tools to do it with.
I do think the way we played at the start of his tenure is the real way Lennon would like us to go. Sadly I don't think any of the players we have are capable of maintaining his style over a great period of time.
We could get rid but the cycle of start well and fade to the ususal would just go through.
Lets face it we could have Pep Guardiola suddenly becoming a massive Wanderer and managing us for nothing and he wouldn't be able to sort out this rag tag bunch of feckless morons.
To be honest, im staggered Lennon is still here. Regardless of the off field, which i am sure has significant impact, 1 in 26 is frankly ridiculous with that team. Which a good amount of pundits etc seem to think is a half decent team
What would be the point in sacking Lennon?
He has proven in the past that he is a decent manager. A Carpenter can't work without wood.
If he knew from the outset that he would not have a penny to spend, he would never have come to the club. Every manager that has preceded him in recent years has been given funds for players. He has had a rough deal.
It's anyone guess how long he will be here because if he is right in his assumption that the will be no money for wages, he could be off soon and who could blame him.
comment by SUPERWHITEINEXILE (U2020)
posted 19 hours, 31 minutes ago
What would be the point in sacking Lennon?
He has proven in the past that he is a decent manager. A Carpenter can't work without wood.
If he knew from the outset that he would not have a penny to spend, he would never have come to the club. Every manager that has preceded him in recent years has been given funds for players. He has had a rough deal.
It's anyone guess how long he will be here because if he is right in his assumption that the will be no money for wages, he could be off soon and who could blame him.
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I think my point is that he does have some wood, although a cheap pine imitation, but suitable to build a solid piece of furniture.
There are goals we ahve conceded which have been due to poor organisation etc
a good thing i can say for lennon, is that his handling of the media in this debacle has been very good., But im sorry, on the field, we should have done better, regardless of the external factors
Clegg, since when did Pundits know ANYTHING about Bolton Wanderers? Seriously mate, do you think they have even the faintest idea of what's going n? Most of them probably get their opinion of players from their Xbox and the FIFA rating on there.
As to your comment about off field stuff what do you think is going on? Do you believe the players live in a vacuum and they aren't affected by the way the club is falling apart? This business has now dragged on for several months and now they aren't even getting paid so please tell me how anyone could be expected to motivate them better?
I will say this again, Neil Lennon is a fine manager and a very brave man for sticking with this sorry saga as long as he has. Even if he wasn't a good manager what possible good would sacking him do? We would owe him compensation which as a football creditor would HAVE to be paid IN FULL even if we went into administration before we were allowed to exit it. All we'd do is add to the already horrible debt situation and then what? Who do you think will come in? What manager do you really believe would be stupid enough to take on this club as things stand?
I've read some idiots screaming bring back Jimmy but he's made it clear he doesn't want the big chair and even if he did I really, really doubt he'd take it as things stand or could make any difference at all if he did. I am sick and tired of this sack the manager junk, we dont' need a change there. We need a change in the boardroom and on the field. I don't go off what Pundits say, I go off what I see when I'm at the game and far too many of those players aren't good enough for League Two let alone the championship.
Sorry Clegg but this time you are way, WAY off base mate,
Pasty, he's almost always way off base. I can't take the guy seriously but I like the way he keeps having a pop at my comments. It's just a pity he's too think to win any discussions.
Yes SWIE, im too think.......
Look pasty, im not saying your opinion is without merit, nor SWIE's.
Your always gonna read and hear idiots shouting bring back Jimmy.. but there opinion does have some merit.
It is actually staggering to here my opinion of lennons performance being under par ( i havent said sacking is the right thing for the club) when the key stat of 1 win in 27 games.....yes 27 games!
The motivation of the footballers, in my opinion shouldnt be a huge issue, yes we all dont like being paid, but we should all remain professional, and have a little more perspective.
Ive never understood the notion of "winning" a discussion. Its quite a person who see's victory in such a thing. i cant imagine the life that person leads
comment by BWFCCLEGG (U7583)
posted 7 minutes ago
Yes SWIE, im too think.......
Look pasty, im not saying your opinion is without merit, nor SWIE's.
Your always gonna read and hear idiots shouting bring back Jimmy.. but there opinion does have some merit.
It is actually staggering to here my opinion of lennons performance being under par ( i havent said sacking is the right thing for the club) when the key stat of 1 win in 27 games.....yes 27 games!
The motivation of the footballers, in my opinion shouldnt be a huge issue, yes we all dont like being paid, but we should all remain professional, and have a little more perspective.
Ive never understood the notion of "winning" a discussion. Its quite a person who see's victory in such a thing. i cant imagine the life that person leads
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Clegg, I agree the stat of 1 win in 27 is depressing but I think you're asking too much to expect the players to be completely unaffected by off field matters. And let's face it how much effort and commitment would you put into your job if you weren't being paid and there was no clear guarantee that you ever would be. I appreciate that the players should have some dosh in reserve given how much they earn but heading into december with no wages for november and no guarantee you'll be paid at Christmas would certainly affect my job performance no matter how inspiring and positive my boss might try to be. Personally I was tremendously encouraged by last night's performance and by the fact Neil was bouncing up and down in the technical area again. The last few weeks have been grim with everyone on and off the field looking flat and tired so to see the fire re-lit in Neil's eyes and the willingness to fight on the field re-kindled in most of the players was a welcome relief. I know we only got a point but hopefully it was the start of an upturn in fortunes that will let us fix the woeful stat you rightly say isn't good enough.
As i.say lpp. That stat is my gripe. It isnt good enough imo irrespective of the off field activity. I never said theyd be unaffected. 1 in 27 usnt good enough
I see I managed to rattle you cage. I think you know it was a typo and you also know what I meant to type.
If we are going to start pulling contributors up for every small mistake they make when typing , you are going to be very busy reading all the typos you make.
I'm confused I only replied once on this thread at the beginning which basically said there isn't going to be any decision on Lennon anytime soon I didn't mention the managers performance. Yet I'm mentioned several times days after.
Has somebody got hold of the magic tipex
Oh Yeh Swie i fully know it was a typo - but i think extra special effort should be made to spell the word thick when calling someone thick. You can pull me up on all my typos if you wish. You will be very busy....coz as you know...im thick.
You havent really rattled my cage in all honesty. I dont really take this too seriously, i try to come on here and lend perhaps a different perspective, even to the point of playing devils advocat. I dont see victory in trying to belittle someone, or "win" (whatever that means) discussions. Its a discussion forum, not debatem so there is no victory, its just a few people talking to each other
You refer to not being able to take me seriously - the crooks of it are - i dont see the financial structure and the debt as a figure being all that alarming at BWFC - interestingly there is an article on the lion of vienna - which i pretty much agree to in full, i also view Gartsides tenure as being mostly succesful - i accept there have been failings, but i also believe success doesn't bring the rewards it should, and that lack of success punishes heavily, which is why we are in the predicament we are in, not because of an inherently bad man, or bad businessman.
I also think lennons position should be questioned after 1 win in 27.
i dont think either of those are ridiculous or far out and distant opinions.
More importantly tho, i dont think your opinion is far away. Do you know why....the facts available to us, are quite sparse, and we just have differing opinions. I choose not to level vitriol towards gartside because of that. you are entitled too - i wont hold it against you.
comment by Ye Olde Pasty (U2191)
posted 2 minutes ago
I'm confused I only replied once on this thread at the beginning which basically said there isn't going to be any decision on Lennon anytime soon I didn't mention the managers performance. Yet I'm mentioned several times days after.
Has somebody got hold of the magic tipex
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ye for some odd reason i put pasty, and it was LPP - my bad....as we all know, i am quite thick
Alright guys, please can we all just take a step back and a deep breath before this thread starts to look like it belongs on admin1's favourite forum?
Whatever our feelings about Lennon and the club we all want what's best for BWFC. Clegg, I fully understand your stance on the stat but I think it needs to be taken in a much wider context. I have said for some time that many of our players are simply not good enough and that any manager would struggle to succeed with that squad. I believe Neil will be at least as unhappy as you and I are with the current table and I would be willing to bet he'd have got rid of as many of the current crop as possible while signing some genuine quality in the summer if he'd had even fairly modest amounts of money to do it with but he hasn't. Look at the latest fiasco with that lad from Wolves. He got the deal done because the board said he could then they turned around and pulled the plug on him at the last moment.
I believe that in the long term interests of the club Neil Lennon is the best man for the job of managing and rebuilding the squad. I cannot think of anyone who would do a better job who would actually want to take it and I honestly think that appointing Neil may well turn out to be one Gartside decision we all have reason to be grateful for in the end.
I would add a caveat though and it's this. Once our fate is sorted, be it via admin or a takeover I would give Neil one full transfer window (hopefully this summer's) and review his performance at Christmas. If things are not markedly better in terms of results and performances then I'd part company. However I am certain that with both a stable club and some resources to use Neil will prove to be the man we need.
. You can pull me up on all my typos if you wish. You will be very busy....coz as you know...im thick.
Well you got that right.
i try to come on here and lend perhaps a different perspective, even to the point of playing devils advocat.
devils advocate (notice the spelling), you must be having a laugh. You mean every word you write.
I know Gartside has made bad mistakes and as far as the truth is concerned, he really isn't to be trusted, but as far as him being an inherently bad man, you can't find any comment from me insinuating that he is. However, despite what you think about Gartside, he has been an inept Chairman. I needed say anymore, just look at the state of the club.
As I have stated before, regarding Neil Lennon, He is the only manager that I can remember who has not had a penny to spend, so if you are going to criticizes him you should compare him to a manager who has been in the same situation he finds himself in.
It very magnanimous of you not to hold my opinions against me.
Is that the best you can manage? You can't even spell it right.
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posted on 13/12/15
Best to leave the good ship BWFC alone until its destination is resolved I understand we could be league 1 next but it maybe just a stop over on route to the terminus.
A vacant position and legal issues could detract from more urgent matters such as finding the finances to fulfil fixtures and get through to Jan 4th when the world begins to return to normal. See how many leave in the Fire Sale take it from there.
He could always end up redundant while we are in limbo there are many combinations to this one nobody will make a decision any time soon.
posted on 13/12/15
Right manager, wrong era. Lennon would have done a good job with the team that got relegated. No one can do anything with this lot. Not paid, unmotivated, no quality. Everyones given up.
posted on 14/12/15
Totally disagree 63. No other manager in the four divisions has both hands tied behind his back the way Lennon does. In fact if I was taking over I'd make my first order of business a meeting with Neil to make sure he knew I want him to stay and he'd be backed with funds in the next available transfer window to rebuild on the field.
Add this to your thinking too please. If we sacked him now we'd owe him compensation. As a football creditor he would be due that money IN FULL even before the taxman should we go into administration or we would not be allowed to come out of it. Sacking him now would make our off field problems worse and in my opinion would also be wrong for footballing reasons. He's the right man to do the job but he has to be given at least some tools to do it with.
posted on 14/12/15
I do think the way we played at the start of his tenure is the real way Lennon would like us to go. Sadly I don't think any of the players we have are capable of maintaining his style over a great period of time.
We could get rid but the cycle of start well and fade to the ususal would just go through.
Lets face it we could have Pep Guardiola suddenly becoming a massive Wanderer and managing us for nothing and he wouldn't be able to sort out this rag tag bunch of feckless morons.
posted on 14/12/15
To be honest, im staggered Lennon is still here. Regardless of the off field, which i am sure has significant impact, 1 in 26 is frankly ridiculous with that team. Which a good amount of pundits etc seem to think is a half decent team
posted on 14/12/15
What would be the point in sacking Lennon?
He has proven in the past that he is a decent manager. A Carpenter can't work without wood.
If he knew from the outset that he would not have a penny to spend, he would never have come to the club. Every manager that has preceded him in recent years has been given funds for players. He has had a rough deal.
It's anyone guess how long he will be here because if he is right in his assumption that the will be no money for wages, he could be off soon and who could blame him.
posted on 15/12/15
comment by SUPERWHITEINEXILE (U2020)
posted 19 hours, 31 minutes ago
What would be the point in sacking Lennon?
He has proven in the past that he is a decent manager. A Carpenter can't work without wood.
If he knew from the outset that he would not have a penny to spend, he would never have come to the club. Every manager that has preceded him in recent years has been given funds for players. He has had a rough deal.
It's anyone guess how long he will be here because if he is right in his assumption that the will be no money for wages, he could be off soon and who could blame him.
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I think my point is that he does have some wood, although a cheap pine imitation, but suitable to build a solid piece of furniture.
There are goals we ahve conceded which have been due to poor organisation etc
a good thing i can say for lennon, is that his handling of the media in this debacle has been very good., But im sorry, on the field, we should have done better, regardless of the external factors
posted on 15/12/15
Clegg, since when did Pundits know ANYTHING about Bolton Wanderers? Seriously mate, do you think they have even the faintest idea of what's going n? Most of them probably get their opinion of players from their Xbox and the FIFA rating on there.
As to your comment about off field stuff what do you think is going on? Do you believe the players live in a vacuum and they aren't affected by the way the club is falling apart? This business has now dragged on for several months and now they aren't even getting paid so please tell me how anyone could be expected to motivate them better?
I will say this again, Neil Lennon is a fine manager and a very brave man for sticking with this sorry saga as long as he has. Even if he wasn't a good manager what possible good would sacking him do? We would owe him compensation which as a football creditor would HAVE to be paid IN FULL even if we went into administration before we were allowed to exit it. All we'd do is add to the already horrible debt situation and then what? Who do you think will come in? What manager do you really believe would be stupid enough to take on this club as things stand?
I've read some idiots screaming bring back Jimmy but he's made it clear he doesn't want the big chair and even if he did I really, really doubt he'd take it as things stand or could make any difference at all if he did. I am sick and tired of this sack the manager junk, we dont' need a change there. We need a change in the boardroom and on the field. I don't go off what Pundits say, I go off what I see when I'm at the game and far too many of those players aren't good enough for League Two let alone the championship.
Sorry Clegg but this time you are way, WAY off base mate,
posted on 15/12/15
Pasty, he's almost always way off base. I can't take the guy seriously but I like the way he keeps having a pop at my comments. It's just a pity he's too think to win any discussions.
posted on 16/12/15
Yes SWIE, im too think.......
Look pasty, im not saying your opinion is without merit, nor SWIE's.
Your always gonna read and hear idiots shouting bring back Jimmy.. but there opinion does have some merit.
It is actually staggering to here my opinion of lennons performance being under par ( i havent said sacking is the right thing for the club) when the key stat of 1 win in 27 games.....yes 27 games!
The motivation of the footballers, in my opinion shouldnt be a huge issue, yes we all dont like being paid, but we should all remain professional, and have a little more perspective.
Ive never understood the notion of "winning" a discussion. Its quite a person who see's victory in such a thing. i cant imagine the life that person leads
posted on 16/12/15
comment by BWFCCLEGG (U7583)
posted 7 minutes ago
Yes SWIE, im too think.......
Look pasty, im not saying your opinion is without merit, nor SWIE's.
Your always gonna read and hear idiots shouting bring back Jimmy.. but there opinion does have some merit.
It is actually staggering to here my opinion of lennons performance being under par ( i havent said sacking is the right thing for the club) when the key stat of 1 win in 27 games.....yes 27 games!
The motivation of the footballers, in my opinion shouldnt be a huge issue, yes we all dont like being paid, but we should all remain professional, and have a little more perspective.
Ive never understood the notion of "winning" a discussion. Its quite a person who see's victory in such a thing. i cant imagine the life that person leads
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Clegg, I agree the stat of 1 win in 27 is depressing but I think you're asking too much to expect the players to be completely unaffected by off field matters. And let's face it how much effort and commitment would you put into your job if you weren't being paid and there was no clear guarantee that you ever would be. I appreciate that the players should have some dosh in reserve given how much they earn but heading into december with no wages for november and no guarantee you'll be paid at Christmas would certainly affect my job performance no matter how inspiring and positive my boss might try to be. Personally I was tremendously encouraged by last night's performance and by the fact Neil was bouncing up and down in the technical area again. The last few weeks have been grim with everyone on and off the field looking flat and tired so to see the fire re-lit in Neil's eyes and the willingness to fight on the field re-kindled in most of the players was a welcome relief. I know we only got a point but hopefully it was the start of an upturn in fortunes that will let us fix the woeful stat you rightly say isn't good enough.
posted on 16/12/15
As i.say lpp. That stat is my gripe. It isnt good enough imo irrespective of the off field activity. I never said theyd be unaffected. 1 in 27 usnt good enough
posted on 17/12/15
I see I managed to rattle you cage. I think you know it was a typo and you also know what I meant to type.
If we are going to start pulling contributors up for every small mistake they make when typing , you are going to be very busy reading all the typos you make.
posted on 17/12/15
I'm confused I only replied once on this thread at the beginning which basically said there isn't going to be any decision on Lennon anytime soon I didn't mention the managers performance. Yet I'm mentioned several times days after.
Has somebody got hold of the magic tipex
posted on 17/12/15
Oh Yeh Swie i fully know it was a typo - but i think extra special effort should be made to spell the word thick when calling someone thick. You can pull me up on all my typos if you wish. You will be very busy....coz as you know...im thick.
You havent really rattled my cage in all honesty. I dont really take this too seriously, i try to come on here and lend perhaps a different perspective, even to the point of playing devils advocat. I dont see victory in trying to belittle someone, or "win" (whatever that means) discussions. Its a discussion forum, not debatem so there is no victory, its just a few people talking to each other
You refer to not being able to take me seriously - the crooks of it are - i dont see the financial structure and the debt as a figure being all that alarming at BWFC - interestingly there is an article on the lion of vienna - which i pretty much agree to in full, i also view Gartsides tenure as being mostly succesful - i accept there have been failings, but i also believe success doesn't bring the rewards it should, and that lack of success punishes heavily, which is why we are in the predicament we are in, not because of an inherently bad man, or bad businessman.
I also think lennons position should be questioned after 1 win in 27.
i dont think either of those are ridiculous or far out and distant opinions.
More importantly tho, i dont think your opinion is far away. Do you know why....the facts available to us, are quite sparse, and we just have differing opinions. I choose not to level vitriol towards gartside because of that. you are entitled too - i wont hold it against you.
posted on 17/12/15
comment by Ye Olde Pasty (U2191)
posted 2 minutes ago
I'm confused I only replied once on this thread at the beginning which basically said there isn't going to be any decision on Lennon anytime soon I didn't mention the managers performance. Yet I'm mentioned several times days after.
Has somebody got hold of the magic tipex
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ye for some odd reason i put pasty, and it was LPP - my bad....as we all know, i am quite thick
posted on 17/12/15
Alright guys, please can we all just take a step back and a deep breath before this thread starts to look like it belongs on admin1's favourite forum?
Whatever our feelings about Lennon and the club we all want what's best for BWFC. Clegg, I fully understand your stance on the stat but I think it needs to be taken in a much wider context. I have said for some time that many of our players are simply not good enough and that any manager would struggle to succeed with that squad. I believe Neil will be at least as unhappy as you and I are with the current table and I would be willing to bet he'd have got rid of as many of the current crop as possible while signing some genuine quality in the summer if he'd had even fairly modest amounts of money to do it with but he hasn't. Look at the latest fiasco with that lad from Wolves. He got the deal done because the board said he could then they turned around and pulled the plug on him at the last moment.
I believe that in the long term interests of the club Neil Lennon is the best man for the job of managing and rebuilding the squad. I cannot think of anyone who would do a better job who would actually want to take it and I honestly think that appointing Neil may well turn out to be one Gartside decision we all have reason to be grateful for in the end.
I would add a caveat though and it's this. Once our fate is sorted, be it via admin or a takeover I would give Neil one full transfer window (hopefully this summer's) and review his performance at Christmas. If things are not markedly better in terms of results and performances then I'd part company. However I am certain that with both a stable club and some resources to use Neil will prove to be the man we need.
posted on 17/12/15
. You can pull me up on all my typos if you wish. You will be very busy....coz as you know...im thick.
Well you got that right.
i try to come on here and lend perhaps a different perspective, even to the point of playing devils advocat.
devils advocate (notice the spelling), you must be having a laugh. You mean every word you write.
I know Gartside has made bad mistakes and as far as the truth is concerned, he really isn't to be trusted, but as far as him being an inherently bad man, you can't find any comment from me insinuating that he is. However, despite what you think about Gartside, he has been an inept Chairman. I needed say anymore, just look at the state of the club.
As I have stated before, regarding Neil Lennon, He is the only manager that I can remember who has not had a penny to spend, so if you are going to criticizes him you should compare him to a manager who has been in the same situation he finds himself in.
It very magnanimous of you not to hold my opinions against me.
posted on 17/12/15
Hehe awwww
posted on 18/12/15
Is that the best you can manage? You can't even spell it right.
posted on 18/12/15
It
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