This loss was so predictable right from the second we went 1-0 down. Players showed no fight to try and get back in it, Coutinho and Firmino provided NO creative input whatsoever, and Benteke may as well have stood at the corner flag. Klopp also changed nothing after the first goal. Terrible performance from the players and manager today.
On the plus side maybe this might lead to Klopp doing something in January.
As I said at half time, losing possession needlessly and committing needless fouls...
West Ham played with better players today.
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They didnt though did they.
They played with players of overall lower quality than Liverpool, but fought harder, and wanted to win more.
Players and manager seemingly have little fight in them.
The only player coming out with any merit in that match was Emre Can.
Mignolet - couldn't command his area- he's a shot stopper that's all.
Clyne - just went through the motions, no conviction to any challenges.
Sakho - outfought
Lovren - same
Moreno - positioning poor again
Coutinho - rubbish, poor shooting, poor corners
Firmino - rubbish, simple ball not used, no cohesion with Coutinho at all
Benteke - bad, just terrible. No burst of pace or strength no effort.
Ibe - too many touches, not enough delivery, zero end product
Lucas - not a captain, no leadership and didn't break up a single attack all game
Pathetic.
We may as well blow the full time whistle when we go 1-0 down. That's the biggest issue this season.
When sheet players like Antonio score against you you know you have been pants
Emre Can should be vice captain imo
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted about a minute ago
The only player coming out with any merit in that match was Emre Can.
Mignolet - couldn't command his area- he's a shot stopper that's all.
Clyne - just went through the motions, no conviction to any challenges.
Sakho - outfought
Lovren - same
Moreno - positioning poor again
Coutinho - rubbish, poor shooting, poor corners
Firmino - rubbish, simple ball not used, no cohesion with Coutinho at all
Benteke - bad, just terrible. No burst of pace or strength no effort.
Ibe - too many touches, not enough delivery, zero end product
Lucas - not a captain, no leadership and didn't break up a single attack all game
Pathetic.
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Pathetic performance from a pathetic team.
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 16 seconds ago
He simply doesnt have the players.
OK, lets go with that excuse, so maybe he needs to set them up in such a way so they are hard to beat, for me up to now, he as a manager is lacking tactically.
He has a squad of International footballers, who he seemingly cant set up, or inspire in a way that they are not rgularly humiliated by much poorer teams.
Ranieri hasnt got the players, Bilic, hasnt got the players, neither has Pardew.
Klopp needs to up his and his players game, otherwise well probably finish lower than we did last season, and for me, there is no excuse whatsoever for that happening.
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We're a team built around attacking football but all our players aren't that good attacking against these sort of teams.
Moreno, Clyne, Allen, Lallana, Coutinho, Firmino are all too lightweight to set up like a West Ham does.
Teams would overrun us if we played defensively. This team needs to play possession/attacking play, it just so happens that our players can't play very well against an deep, organised defence.
In regards to G_B, can we have a dedicated pessimist on this board to bring some balance. Actually it seems like many people aren't optimistic about our chances against Stoke after today's performance.
As we're so inconsistent though, we'll now probably batter Stoke.
we need strikers for all our 'lightweight' flair players to be effective.
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 2 minutes ago
West Ham played with better players today.
===================================
They didnt though did they.
They played with players of overall lower quality than Liverpool, but fought harder, and wanted to win more.
Players and manager seemingly have little fight in them.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I know you were a BR fan but give it a rest. You constantly attacking will change nothing and he will be here for the coming years and will change the players who are not good enough. Those same weak physically and mentally players who were bought by your favourite manager BR.
This team needs to play possession/attacking play, it just so happens that our players can't play very well against an deep, organised defence.
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It is these deep, organised teams that we need to match up against. We need strong, composed, commanding midfielders and defenders to match up against them so they don't see it as so easy to grab a goal from a set piece against us and just play the rest of the game lining up two walls in front of their goal.
They clearly aim to nullify our attacking players, and playing three number 10's will never work against two brick walls if we don't try and do something to put gaps in those walls. Benteke just standing there and competing against 2 centre backs for 50/50's won't work, and unfortunately he just doesn't try enough to make room and pull the defenders out from their positions to create more space in behind.
To continue with 3 number 10's nehind Neteke will not work against these teams. The disappointing thing was to see Klopp try the same thing yet again and expect different results this time. He clearly has to change something, and hopefully he can start doing that in this window
"To continue with 3 number 10's nehind Benteke will not work against these teams."
yep
We're a bit stuck though as everyone's crocked.
Lucas and Can was never going to be enough in midfield.
It was so fecking predictable we would be bullied with Firmino Coutinho and Ibe all starting. We need to sign a new centre midfield who is going to be able to compete against the likes of West Ham.
Lucas is a poor player and is never going to be good enough.
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Lucas is a poor player and is never going to be good enough.
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Lucas is okay for suring up games we are already winning, problem is we seem to always concede first these days so he becomes a bit redundant.
It is unfortunate that Ings, Milner, Henderson are all injured, as well as Joe Gomez - all are very much Klopp type players.
reckon there should be an analysis of average wages made of the entire league (internally) with respective position in the league defining that weeks wages. Bonus for goals, distance run etc still to be made of course.
I know you were a BR fan
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WTF are you on about.
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posted on 2/1/16
T Bone thanks.
posted on 2/1/16
This loss was so predictable right from the second we went 1-0 down. Players showed no fight to try and get back in it, Coutinho and Firmino provided NO creative input whatsoever, and Benteke may as well have stood at the corner flag. Klopp also changed nothing after the first goal. Terrible performance from the players and manager today.
On the plus side maybe this might lead to Klopp doing something in January.
posted on 2/1/16
As I said at half time, losing possession needlessly and committing needless fouls...
posted on 2/1/16
West Ham played with better players today.
===================================
They didnt though did they.
They played with players of overall lower quality than Liverpool, but fought harder, and wanted to win more.
Players and manager seemingly have little fight in them.
posted on 2/1/16
The only player coming out with any merit in that match was Emre Can.
Mignolet - couldn't command his area- he's a shot stopper that's all.
Clyne - just went through the motions, no conviction to any challenges.
Sakho - outfought
Lovren - same
Moreno - positioning poor again
Coutinho - rubbish, poor shooting, poor corners
Firmino - rubbish, simple ball not used, no cohesion with Coutinho at all
Benteke - bad, just terrible. No burst of pace or strength no effort.
Ibe - too many touches, not enough delivery, zero end product
Lucas - not a captain, no leadership and didn't break up a single attack all game
Pathetic.
posted on 2/1/16
We may as well blow the full time whistle when we go 1-0 down. That's the biggest issue this season.
posted on 2/1/16
When sheet players like Antonio score against you you know you have been pants
posted on 2/1/16
Emre Can should be vice captain imo
posted on 2/1/16
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted about a minute ago
The only player coming out with any merit in that match was Emre Can.
Mignolet - couldn't command his area- he's a shot stopper that's all.
Clyne - just went through the motions, no conviction to any challenges.
Sakho - outfought
Lovren - same
Moreno - positioning poor again
Coutinho - rubbish, poor shooting, poor corners
Firmino - rubbish, simple ball not used, no cohesion with Coutinho at all
Benteke - bad, just terrible. No burst of pace or strength no effort.
Ibe - too many touches, not enough delivery, zero end product
Lucas - not a captain, no leadership and didn't break up a single attack all game
Pathetic.
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Pathetic performance from a pathetic team.
posted on 2/1/16
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 16 seconds ago
He simply doesnt have the players.
OK, lets go with that excuse, so maybe he needs to set them up in such a way so they are hard to beat, for me up to now, he as a manager is lacking tactically.
He has a squad of International footballers, who he seemingly cant set up, or inspire in a way that they are not rgularly humiliated by much poorer teams.
Ranieri hasnt got the players, Bilic, hasnt got the players, neither has Pardew.
Klopp needs to up his and his players game, otherwise well probably finish lower than we did last season, and for me, there is no excuse whatsoever for that happening.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We're a team built around attacking football but all our players aren't that good attacking against these sort of teams.
Moreno, Clyne, Allen, Lallana, Coutinho, Firmino are all too lightweight to set up like a West Ham does.
Teams would overrun us if we played defensively. This team needs to play possession/attacking play, it just so happens that our players can't play very well against an deep, organised defence.
posted on 2/1/16
In regards to G_B, can we have a dedicated pessimist on this board to bring some balance. Actually it seems like many people aren't optimistic about our chances against Stoke after today's performance.
As we're so inconsistent though, we'll now probably batter Stoke.
posted on 2/1/16
we need strikers for all our 'lightweight' flair players to be effective.
posted on 2/1/16
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 2 minutes ago
West Ham played with better players today.
===================================
They didnt though did they.
They played with players of overall lower quality than Liverpool, but fought harder, and wanted to win more.
Players and manager seemingly have little fight in them.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I know you were a BR fan but give it a rest. You constantly attacking will change nothing and he will be here for the coming years and will change the players who are not good enough. Those same weak physically and mentally players who were bought by your favourite manager BR.
posted on 2/1/16
This team needs to play possession/attacking play, it just so happens that our players can't play very well against an deep, organised defence.
------------------------
It is these deep, organised teams that we need to match up against. We need strong, composed, commanding midfielders and defenders to match up against them so they don't see it as so easy to grab a goal from a set piece against us and just play the rest of the game lining up two walls in front of their goal.
They clearly aim to nullify our attacking players, and playing three number 10's will never work against two brick walls if we don't try and do something to put gaps in those walls. Benteke just standing there and competing against 2 centre backs for 50/50's won't work, and unfortunately he just doesn't try enough to make room and pull the defenders out from their positions to create more space in behind.
To continue with 3 number 10's nehind Neteke will not work against these teams. The disappointing thing was to see Klopp try the same thing yet again and expect different results this time. He clearly has to change something, and hopefully he can start doing that in this window
posted on 2/1/16
"To continue with 3 number 10's nehind Benteke will not work against these teams."
yep
We're a bit stuck though as everyone's crocked.
posted on 2/1/16
Lucas and Can was never going to be enough in midfield.
It was so fecking predictable we would be bullied with Firmino Coutinho and Ibe all starting. We need to sign a new centre midfield who is going to be able to compete against the likes of West Ham.
Lucas is a poor player and is never going to be good enough.
posted on 2/1/16
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posted on 2/1/16
Lucas is a poor player and is never going to be good enough.
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Lucas is okay for suring up games we are already winning, problem is we seem to always concede first these days so he becomes a bit redundant.
posted on 2/1/16
It is unfortunate that Ings, Milner, Henderson are all injured, as well as Joe Gomez - all are very much Klopp type players.
reckon there should be an analysis of average wages made of the entire league (internally) with respective position in the league defining that weeks wages. Bonus for goals, distance run etc still to be made of course.
posted on 2/1/16
I know you were a BR fan
==========================
WTF are you on about.
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