Don't care where we finish if its outside top 4. Hardly makes a difference.
comment by Stretford_Ender85 (U10955)
posted 2 minutes ago
Don't care where we finish if its outside top 4. Hardly makes a difference.
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I disagree. Professional pride is at stake, players are playing for their futures, surely that alone should make a big difference. Problem is, we're just not very good.
I'm with SE85. If we get caught by Chelsea, it means we've utterly failed in the thing that matters most. It will just be salt rubbed into the wound.
I think we'll finish fifth and Chelsea will probably be about seventh. I think the OP's predictions for our matches look reasonable, if a bit depressing, though it rarely works out the way we expect.
I'm of the opinion that our individuals parts are better than the collective, under Van Gaals stewardship. We have good players in the squad, and Phil Jones. We're certainly a lot better than what we've shown.
If we were caught and overtaken by Chelsea, it would be a sorry state of affairs.
comment by Clockwork Red Counting Down (U4892)
posted 1 minute ago
I think we'll finish fifth and Chelsea will probably be about seventh. I think the OP's predictions for our matches look reasonable, if a bit depressing, though it rarely works out the way we expect.
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It certainly is depressing Clockwork. We've very much a Jekyll & Hyde team this season.
Chelsea seem to have turned a corner, and while they're drawing more than they're winning currently, I feel they've sorted out their attitude now and the positive results will now follow.
Given up predicting our results after saturday
We've very much a Jekyll & Hyde team this season.
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I think even that is being kind. We were more of a Jekyll & Hyde team last season, when we turned up against the big teams. Dr Jekyll has been conspicuous by his absence this year.
comment by Reddevilsdouble- il just say it was a joke (U12215)
posted 2 minutes ago
Given up predicting our results after saturday
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I know how you feel. I actually picked us to win at Sunderland and was left wondering what on earth had possessed me to do such a thing.
The many times we've been outfought this season, by what should be inferior competition, has been staggering. I can take being outplayed all day long, but to be second to every ball is what sickened me most about that performance at Sunderland.
comment by Fergies A Jolly Good Fellow (U17074)
posted 17 minutes ago
The many times we've been outfought this season, by what should be inferior competition, has been staggering. I can take being outplayed all day long, but to be second to every ball is what sickened me most about that performance at Sunderland.
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Exactly.
Bit of a doomsday scenario, but can't see it happening tbh.
Firstly, at least for the time being they're likely to prioritise the two competitions they still have a chance of winning.
Granted that they could well be knocked out of both in the near future, but looking at their league form, they might be unbeaten in 9, but they've only actually collected 15 points from those games, winning just 3. Imo, they'd need to collect points at a much higher rate than that to stand any chance.
Your season looks as if it's panning out to be a pretty dismal one, but at this point you should still be looking up the table rather than down.
IOAG
That's fair enough, and anything can happen. However, when you hear the negativity coming from the manager and the players, and their acceptance that Europa League is the best way back into the CL, it unfortunately filters down to the majority of fans.
I agree, they should be more fully focused on looking up the table and trying to catch City, or whoever, and remedying their league form, producing a solid run of results. It appears that's beyond this team though. I don't think they have the stomach for the fight.
You're obviously much more in the know than me about that. I did however hear an interview with Ander Herrera on Spain's Radio Marca a week or so ago, and he certainly made all the right noises about their ambitions for the season, actually hinting at the hope of still being able to make a title push. Perhaps he's one of a kind though, I can't say.
What I would say though is that City look to me to be more likely to suffer a mini-implosion than Chelsea are of making up such a big difference on you guys.
If that were the case, you have every reason to keep on fighting. Six points at this stage is still a more than bridgeable gap.
Don't think Chelsea will only get 1 point at Liverpool
comment by robbenthepompeyandmanchesterunitedfaninoz (U1145)
posted 11 minutes ago
Don't think Chelsea will only get 1 point at Liverpool
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Neither do I, that's why I put down zero points
comment by itsonlyagame (U6426)
posted 15 minutes ago
You're obviously much more in the know than me about that. I did however hear an interview with Ander Herrera on Spain's Radio Marca a week or so ago, and he certainly made all the right noises about their ambitions for the season, actually hinting at the hope of still being able to make a title push. Perhaps he's one of a kind though, I can't say.
What I would say though is that City look to me to be more likely to suffer a mini-implosion than Chelsea are of making up such a big difference on you guys.
If that were the case, you have every reason to keep on fighting. Six points at this stage is still a more than bridgeable gap.
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IOAG
I like Ander, he's always full of optimism whenever I read interviews. This season though, it's been an all too common theme for players to come out, usually Rooney, and say that the blame lies with the players because they are the ones out on the pitch. It's almost a weekly occurrence now.
Instead of coming out and trying to deflect blame away from the manager, how about you players pull up your socks, roll up your sleeves, and put in the hard work.
comment by Fergies A Jolly Good Fellow (U17074)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by robbenthepompeyandmanchesterunitedfaninoz (U1145)
posted 11 minutes ago
Don't think Chelsea will only get 1 point at Liverpool
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Neither do I, that's why I put down zero points
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Sorry! I mean, I think they will get at least a point.
comment by robbenthepompeyandmanchesterunitedfaninoz (U1145)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Fergies A Jolly Good Fellow (U17074)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by robbenthepompeyandmanchesterunitedfaninoz (U1145)
posted 11 minutes ago
Don't think Chelsea will only get 1 point at Liverpool
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Neither do I, that's why I put down zero points
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Sorry! I mean, I think they will get at least a point.
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Yeah I gathered that's what you meant
Depends on whether Sturridge and Coutinho are available. Firmino is finding his feet now too and looks talented. It could be a great game to watch.
Thing is, I don't think Chelsea will go the rest of the league season unbeaten. They could lose one, even possibly two. Away to Saints won't be easy either, so even 1 point from those 6 isn't impossible.
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posted on 17/2/16
Don't care where we finish if its outside top 4. Hardly makes a difference.
posted on 17/2/16
comment by Stretford_Ender85 (U10955)
posted 2 minutes ago
Don't care where we finish if its outside top 4. Hardly makes a difference.
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I disagree. Professional pride is at stake, players are playing for their futures, surely that alone should make a big difference. Problem is, we're just not very good.
posted on 17/2/16
I'm with SE85. If we get caught by Chelsea, it means we've utterly failed in the thing that matters most. It will just be salt rubbed into the wound.
posted on 17/2/16
I think we'll finish fifth and Chelsea will probably be about seventh. I think the OP's predictions for our matches look reasonable, if a bit depressing, though it rarely works out the way we expect.
posted on 17/2/16
I'm of the opinion that our individuals parts are better than the collective, under Van Gaals stewardship. We have good players in the squad, and Phil Jones. We're certainly a lot better than what we've shown.
If we were caught and overtaken by Chelsea, it would be a sorry state of affairs.
posted on 17/2/16
comment by Clockwork Red Counting Down (U4892)
posted 1 minute ago
I think we'll finish fifth and Chelsea will probably be about seventh. I think the OP's predictions for our matches look reasonable, if a bit depressing, though it rarely works out the way we expect.
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It certainly is depressing Clockwork. We've very much a Jekyll & Hyde team this season.
Chelsea seem to have turned a corner, and while they're drawing more than they're winning currently, I feel they've sorted out their attitude now and the positive results will now follow.
posted on 17/2/16
*We're
posted on 17/2/16
Given up predicting our results after saturday
posted on 17/2/16
We've very much a Jekyll & Hyde team this season.
_________________
I think even that is being kind. We were more of a Jekyll & Hyde team last season, when we turned up against the big teams. Dr Jekyll has been conspicuous by his absence this year.
posted on 17/2/16
comment by Reddevilsdouble- il just say it was a joke (U12215)
posted 2 minutes ago
Given up predicting our results after saturday
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I know how you feel. I actually picked us to win at Sunderland and was left wondering what on earth had possessed me to do such a thing.
posted on 17/2/16
The many times we've been outfought this season, by what should be inferior competition, has been staggering. I can take being outplayed all day long, but to be second to every ball is what sickened me most about that performance at Sunderland.
posted on 17/2/16
comment by Fergies A Jolly Good Fellow (U17074)
posted 17 minutes ago
The many times we've been outfought this season, by what should be inferior competition, has been staggering. I can take being outplayed all day long, but to be second to every ball is what sickened me most about that performance at Sunderland.
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Exactly.
posted on 17/2/16
Bit of a doomsday scenario, but can't see it happening tbh.
Firstly, at least for the time being they're likely to prioritise the two competitions they still have a chance of winning.
Granted that they could well be knocked out of both in the near future, but looking at their league form, they might be unbeaten in 9, but they've only actually collected 15 points from those games, winning just 3. Imo, they'd need to collect points at a much higher rate than that to stand any chance.
Your season looks as if it's panning out to be a pretty dismal one, but at this point you should still be looking up the table rather than down.
posted on 17/2/16
IOAG
That's fair enough, and anything can happen. However, when you hear the negativity coming from the manager and the players, and their acceptance that Europa League is the best way back into the CL, it unfortunately filters down to the majority of fans.
I agree, they should be more fully focused on looking up the table and trying to catch City, or whoever, and remedying their league form, producing a solid run of results. It appears that's beyond this team though. I don't think they have the stomach for the fight.
posted on 17/2/16
You're obviously much more in the know than me about that. I did however hear an interview with Ander Herrera on Spain's Radio Marca a week or so ago, and he certainly made all the right noises about their ambitions for the season, actually hinting at the hope of still being able to make a title push. Perhaps he's one of a kind though, I can't say.
What I would say though is that City look to me to be more likely to suffer a mini-implosion than Chelsea are of making up such a big difference on you guys.
If that were the case, you have every reason to keep on fighting. Six points at this stage is still a more than bridgeable gap.
posted on 17/2/16
Don't think Chelsea will only get 1 point at Liverpool
posted on 17/2/16
comment by robbenthepompeyandmanchesterunitedfaninoz (U1145)
posted 11 minutes ago
Don't think Chelsea will only get 1 point at Liverpool
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Neither do I, that's why I put down zero points
posted on 17/2/16
comment by itsonlyagame (U6426)
posted 15 minutes ago
You're obviously much more in the know than me about that. I did however hear an interview with Ander Herrera on Spain's Radio Marca a week or so ago, and he certainly made all the right noises about their ambitions for the season, actually hinting at the hope of still being able to make a title push. Perhaps he's one of a kind though, I can't say.
What I would say though is that City look to me to be more likely to suffer a mini-implosion than Chelsea are of making up such a big difference on you guys.
If that were the case, you have every reason to keep on fighting. Six points at this stage is still a more than bridgeable gap.
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IOAG
I like Ander, he's always full of optimism whenever I read interviews. This season though, it's been an all too common theme for players to come out, usually Rooney, and say that the blame lies with the players because they are the ones out on the pitch. It's almost a weekly occurrence now.
Instead of coming out and trying to deflect blame away from the manager, how about you players pull up your socks, roll up your sleeves, and put in the hard work.
posted on 17/2/16
comment by Fergies A Jolly Good Fellow (U17074)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by robbenthepompeyandmanchesterunitedfaninoz (U1145)
posted 11 minutes ago
Don't think Chelsea will only get 1 point at Liverpool
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Neither do I, that's why I put down zero points
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Sorry! I mean, I think they will get at least a point.
posted on 17/2/16
comment by robbenthepompeyandmanchesterunitedfaninoz (U1145)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Fergies A Jolly Good Fellow (U17074)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by robbenthepompeyandmanchesterunitedfaninoz (U1145)
posted 11 minutes ago
Don't think Chelsea will only get 1 point at Liverpool
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Neither do I, that's why I put down zero points
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Sorry! I mean, I think they will get at least a point.
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Yeah I gathered that's what you meant
Depends on whether Sturridge and Coutinho are available. Firmino is finding his feet now too and looks talented. It could be a great game to watch.
Thing is, I don't think Chelsea will go the rest of the league season unbeaten. They could lose one, even possibly two. Away to Saints won't be easy either, so even 1 point from those 6 isn't impossible.
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