hes also played in this league for 3/4 years
Wouldn't call either a flop.
Sterling has shown what he can do, but has had some poor games too, same goes for Martial. Consistency isn't there yet but they're both very young.
Not sure what the article says regarding the fees, but Sterling's cost was around £50m straight up, even if he flops, whereas Martial's fee is only the full £55m if he wins all kinds of things and becomes a world star.
Would say that Sterling has looked more settled in the City squad, and probably contributed more than Martial, but it's worth noting that he's not new to the league having played a full season next to Suarez and Sturridge, he knows what to expect and what's required of the PL.
One final thing to mention is the expectations, Sterling obviously came with a price tag, but he's not had to shoulder too much responsibility yet, as City also signed KDB, they have Toure and Silva, and obviously Aguero in attacking positions. Martial has through no fault of his own, and it's saddening to say but he's been our only attacking threat in so many games, sometimes it's clear he's been trying to do things on his own which is often to his detriment. I imagine he would have looked even better in the City side.
Both very good players currently, potentially brilliant.
comment by Ghodfather Donati - #1 (U9390)
posted 6 minutes ago
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Sterling has done well enough for us. There are obviously areas of his game that need to be worked on, but at his age, nobody with an ounce of common sense thought we had bought him to be the finished product. Ian Wright was on the radio after the COC final saying he should be a more complete player - load of 5hit, everybody knew where he needed to improve when he was with Liverpool, making a big money move doesn't suddenly make those weaknesses disappear.
He hasn't set the world on fire, and after being the star of our preseason too, but with young players you expect inconsistency. His better games have generally come in Europe, which I think is worth noting (Kiev being a recent example). I thought when we signed him he would be an important player in that competition, where all to often our play is laboured and slow.
As for Martial, he was a relative unknown so most didn't really know what to expect from him, and with the way his fee was structured he doesn't quite carry the same burden that Sterling does with his. Both could easily still become exceptional players, and make their price tags look a snip, to call either a 'flop' at this stage is pretty unfair.
Agree with united mike, except about the fees martial is pretty much nailed on to be 55m. Regardless if he becomes a world star.
I agree Mike, this article was more intended at city fans who criticise sterling as opposed to rival fans
the lad gets a lot of stick week in week out from our fans which i think is relatively unfair
comment by United_Mike (U1170)
posted 45 minutes ago
Not sure what the article says regarding the fees, but Sterling's cost was around £50m straight up, even if he flops, whereas Martial's fee is only the full £55m if he wins all kinds of things and becomes a world star.
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I thought the add ons were
1. 20 goals for united
2. 20 caps for France
3. UEFA player of season
I'd say over 5 years if he doesn't do 1 and 2 he's not lived up to his potential at all so the fees are the same?
I can't see him ever achieving 3
Just noticed there is a link in the article claiming the add ons are for 25 goals, 25 caps and the shortlist.
Martial looks good based on the players around him.
Sterling is now in a team with very good players so his inconsistencies stand out more. Silva's touch on Saturday , and for a while, has been poor as has Sergio's. But then when they combine touches as for the third goal people easily forget.
Sterling is still learning and although I think we overpaid for him, the alternative would be to not have signed him (Stones - Chelsea?).
The club can afford it and he improved the team. Job done
Just looked and it seems his contract leaked online, it seems the fee was around £36m with an additional £7m or so for each and every one of the following;
1 - Scores his 25th goal for United
2 - Capped for the 25th time for France
3 - Appears on the Uefa Ballon'Dor shortlist
I can see them happening, so yeah around £55m total
As I say though, both in similar stages of their development, but Sterling has the edge in terms of PL 'readiness'.
Will be nice to see how they do, and how they're talked about in comparison with one another in 3 seasons time.
comment by Adam 'The Interview' Lallana (U20650)
posted 1 hour, 27 minutes ago
comment by Ghodfather Donati - #1 (U9390)
posted 6 minutes ago
hes also played in this league for 3/4 years
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and is 362 days older
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And??????
Sterling has been very hot and cold but certainly not a flop, very frustrating at times.
He will only improve with more and more quality players around him and I think Guardiola will get the best out of him.
Martial is in the same boat and will only improve.
Both transfer fees at the moment look to be on the high side but in three years time may turn out to be value.
Should say up front that despite him leaving us, I think Sterling will become a top class footballer.
That said, I do have some sympathy with the City fans who moan about his performances. I think a lot of the Liverpool fans comments about his performances for us last year were put down to sour grapes but he was genuinely really poor for long periods. He still scored 7 goals, which is only 2 less then the year before when he was electric, but his overall level was at times pretty poor.
He'd try to do too much himself which for someone who showed such game intelligence when he broke into the team (for a youngster that is) it was quite shocking. Far too often he didn't pass when he needed to and as the season went on he even started passing when he should go on himself, a confidence issue I assume. Then there's the long shots. He doesn't seem to carry the power to be effective from range but didn't stop him trying. Infuriatingly regularly. Went totally missing in big games too (i.e. FA Cup semi final).
Year before with Suarez and Sturridge he was awesome. In fact the last two months of that season he was playing better than the other two - high praise but justified. Personally I thought he might get back to that level playing with Aguero, Silva and KDB but I haven't seen it to be honest, although I have seen only a handful of City games this season.
I still believe Sterling will come good for City. He is a frustrating player though. I'm intrigued to see what Pep makes of him.
Martial I haven't really seen. No offence (well, not much) to Utd fans but who watches Utd this season unless you're a fan?! However, he just looks like a player. I fully admit I have no real basis for this but from what I've seen he looks he will become a top class player as well.
Lol Matrial shiiiits on sterling.
Martial suffers cause of lack of support. He's nearly always facing two banked defenders. But he looks promising. If you want a real donkey look at Memphis.
Memphis has more potential than sterling tho.
comment by Ibe-Wan Kenobi (U6997)
posted 23 minutes ago
He'd try to do too much himself which for someone who showed such game intelligence when he broke into the team (for a youngster that is) it was quite shocking. Far too often he didn't pass when he needed to and as the season went on he even started passing when he should go on himself....
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Couldn't agree more.
I think both players are very good
both still kids
neither are flops, although if they don't improve in the next couple of years (they should) then they won't be worth the fees.
comment by United_Mike (U1170)
posted 19 hours, 15 minutes ago
Wouldn't call either a flop.
Sterling has shown what he can do, but has had some poor games too, same goes for Martial. Consistency isn't there yet but they're both very young.
Not sure what the article says regarding the fees, but Sterling's cost was around £50m straight up, even if he flops, whereas Martial's fee is only the full £55m if he wins all kinds of things and becomes a world star.
Would say that Sterling has looked more settled in the City squad, and probably contributed more than Martial, but it's worth noting that he's not new to the league having played a full season next to Suarez and Sturridge, he knows what to expect and what's required of the PL.
One final thing to mention is the expectations, Sterling obviously came with a price tag, but he's not had to shoulder too much responsibility yet, as City also signed KDB, they have Toure and Silva, and obviously Aguero in attacking positions. Martial has through no fault of his own, and it's saddening to say but he's been our only attacking threat in so many games, sometimes it's clear he's been trying to do things on his own which is often to his detriment. I imagine he would have looked even better in the City side.
Both very good players currently, potentially brilliant.
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Sterlings fee was 44 million
Liverpool recieved 33 million the rest went to qpr
Martial has been shocking and main reason for the 0's Man Utd have got.
You don't pay close to 50m for someone who still needs time to develop. That's crazy. Whatever pressure Sterling is under has been put on by himself anyway by demanding a move to a better club. Could have stayed at Liverpool and 'developed' all he wanted there instead of rocking up at City where he has not found it so easy. Time will tell. I don't think he will make it. Hasn't got the right attitude. As with a lot of young English players.
I don't think Sterling will become the player that people seem to think he should be,what you see now is pretty much what you get, and that for me is more than enough
His attitude is excellent ,he says the right things,if he had converted the chance in the league cup final one way or the other would he become a different player ,no he would still be the same player, a very good one that benefits City
comment by jedward belmont (U3109)
posted 42 minutes ago
I don't think Sterling will become the player that people seem to think he should be,what you see now is pretty much what you get, and that for me is more than enough
His attitude is excellent ,he says the right things,if he had converted the chance in the league cup final one way or the other would he become a different player ,no he would still be the same player, a very good one that benefits City
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If Sterling is "what you see is what you get" for the foreseeable future, then we need to get rid.
Sorry but like Roy Walker, I say what I see.
Big jugs.
"You don't pay close to 50m for someone who still needs time to develop"
Course you do. If you think his career could span 10 years at the club 50m could be looked back on as a snip. Same reason United paid 30m for Rooney all that time ago.
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posted on 8/3/16
hes also played in this league for 3/4 years
posted on 8/3/16
Wouldn't call either a flop.
Sterling has shown what he can do, but has had some poor games too, same goes for Martial. Consistency isn't there yet but they're both very young.
Not sure what the article says regarding the fees, but Sterling's cost was around £50m straight up, even if he flops, whereas Martial's fee is only the full £55m if he wins all kinds of things and becomes a world star.
Would say that Sterling has looked more settled in the City squad, and probably contributed more than Martial, but it's worth noting that he's not new to the league having played a full season next to Suarez and Sturridge, he knows what to expect and what's required of the PL.
One final thing to mention is the expectations, Sterling obviously came with a price tag, but he's not had to shoulder too much responsibility yet, as City also signed KDB, they have Toure and Silva, and obviously Aguero in attacking positions. Martial has through no fault of his own, and it's saddening to say but he's been our only attacking threat in so many games, sometimes it's clear he's been trying to do things on his own which is often to his detriment. I imagine he would have looked even better in the City side.
Both very good players currently, potentially brilliant.
posted on 8/3/16
comment by Ghodfather Donati - #1 (U9390)
posted 6 minutes ago
hes also played in this league for 3/4 years
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and is 362 days older
posted on 8/3/16
Sterling has done well enough for us. There are obviously areas of his game that need to be worked on, but at his age, nobody with an ounce of common sense thought we had bought him to be the finished product. Ian Wright was on the radio after the COC final saying he should be a more complete player - load of 5hit, everybody knew where he needed to improve when he was with Liverpool, making a big money move doesn't suddenly make those weaknesses disappear.
He hasn't set the world on fire, and after being the star of our preseason too, but with young players you expect inconsistency. His better games have generally come in Europe, which I think is worth noting (Kiev being a recent example). I thought when we signed him he would be an important player in that competition, where all to often our play is laboured and slow.
As for Martial, he was a relative unknown so most didn't really know what to expect from him, and with the way his fee was structured he doesn't quite carry the same burden that Sterling does with his. Both could easily still become exceptional players, and make their price tags look a snip, to call either a 'flop' at this stage is pretty unfair.
posted on 8/3/16
Agree with united mike, except about the fees martial is pretty much nailed on to be 55m. Regardless if he becomes a world star.
posted on 8/3/16
I agree Mike, this article was more intended at city fans who criticise sterling as opposed to rival fans
the lad gets a lot of stick week in week out from our fans which i think is relatively unfair
posted on 8/3/16
comment by United_Mike (U1170)
posted 45 minutes ago
Not sure what the article says regarding the fees, but Sterling's cost was around £50m straight up, even if he flops, whereas Martial's fee is only the full £55m if he wins all kinds of things and becomes a world star.
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I thought the add ons were
1. 20 goals for united
2. 20 caps for France
3. UEFA player of season
I'd say over 5 years if he doesn't do 1 and 2 he's not lived up to his potential at all so the fees are the same?
I can't see him ever achieving 3
posted on 8/3/16
Just noticed there is a link in the article claiming the add ons are for 25 goals, 25 caps and the shortlist.
Martial looks good based on the players around him.
Sterling is now in a team with very good players so his inconsistencies stand out more. Silva's touch on Saturday , and for a while, has been poor as has Sergio's. But then when they combine touches as for the third goal people easily forget.
Sterling is still learning and although I think we overpaid for him, the alternative would be to not have signed him (Stones - Chelsea?).
The club can afford it and he improved the team. Job done
posted on 8/3/16
Just looked and it seems his contract leaked online, it seems the fee was around £36m with an additional £7m or so for each and every one of the following;
1 - Scores his 25th goal for United
2 - Capped for the 25th time for France
3 - Appears on the Uefa Ballon'Dor shortlist
I can see them happening, so yeah around £55m total
As I say though, both in similar stages of their development, but Sterling has the edge in terms of PL 'readiness'.
Will be nice to see how they do, and how they're talked about in comparison with one another in 3 seasons time.
posted on 8/3/16
comment by Adam 'The Interview' Lallana (U20650)
posted 1 hour, 27 minutes ago
comment by Ghodfather Donati - #1 (U9390)
posted 6 minutes ago
hes also played in this league for 3/4 years
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and is 362 days older
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And??????
posted on 8/3/16
Sterling has been very hot and cold but certainly not a flop, very frustrating at times.
He will only improve with more and more quality players around him and I think Guardiola will get the best out of him.
Martial is in the same boat and will only improve.
Both transfer fees at the moment look to be on the high side but in three years time may turn out to be value.
posted on 8/3/16
Should say up front that despite him leaving us, I think Sterling will become a top class footballer.
That said, I do have some sympathy with the City fans who moan about his performances. I think a lot of the Liverpool fans comments about his performances for us last year were put down to sour grapes but he was genuinely really poor for long periods. He still scored 7 goals, which is only 2 less then the year before when he was electric, but his overall level was at times pretty poor.
He'd try to do too much himself which for someone who showed such game intelligence when he broke into the team (for a youngster that is) it was quite shocking. Far too often he didn't pass when he needed to and as the season went on he even started passing when he should go on himself, a confidence issue I assume. Then there's the long shots. He doesn't seem to carry the power to be effective from range but didn't stop him trying. Infuriatingly regularly. Went totally missing in big games too (i.e. FA Cup semi final).
Year before with Suarez and Sturridge he was awesome. In fact the last two months of that season he was playing better than the other two - high praise but justified. Personally I thought he might get back to that level playing with Aguero, Silva and KDB but I haven't seen it to be honest, although I have seen only a handful of City games this season.
I still believe Sterling will come good for City. He is a frustrating player though. I'm intrigued to see what Pep makes of him.
Martial I haven't really seen. No offence (well, not much) to Utd fans but who watches Utd this season unless you're a fan?! However, he just looks like a player. I fully admit I have no real basis for this but from what I've seen he looks he will become a top class player as well.
posted on 8/3/16
Lol Matrial shiiiits on sterling.
posted on 8/3/16
Martial suffers cause of lack of support. He's nearly always facing two banked defenders. But he looks promising. If you want a real donkey look at Memphis.
posted on 8/3/16
Memphis has more potential than sterling tho.
posted on 8/3/16
comment by Ibe-Wan Kenobi (U6997)
posted 23 minutes ago
He'd try to do too much himself which for someone who showed such game intelligence when he broke into the team (for a youngster that is) it was quite shocking. Far too often he didn't pass when he needed to and as the season went on he even started passing when he should go on himself....
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Couldn't agree more.
posted on 8/3/16
I think both players are very good
both still kids
neither are flops, although if they don't improve in the next couple of years (they should) then they won't be worth the fees.
posted on 9/3/16
comment by United_Mike (U1170)
posted 19 hours, 15 minutes ago
Wouldn't call either a flop.
Sterling has shown what he can do, but has had some poor games too, same goes for Martial. Consistency isn't there yet but they're both very young.
Not sure what the article says regarding the fees, but Sterling's cost was around £50m straight up, even if he flops, whereas Martial's fee is only the full £55m if he wins all kinds of things and becomes a world star.
Would say that Sterling has looked more settled in the City squad, and probably contributed more than Martial, but it's worth noting that he's not new to the league having played a full season next to Suarez and Sturridge, he knows what to expect and what's required of the PL.
One final thing to mention is the expectations, Sterling obviously came with a price tag, but he's not had to shoulder too much responsibility yet, as City also signed KDB, they have Toure and Silva, and obviously Aguero in attacking positions. Martial has through no fault of his own, and it's saddening to say but he's been our only attacking threat in so many games, sometimes it's clear he's been trying to do things on his own which is often to his detriment. I imagine he would have looked even better in the City side.
Both very good players currently, potentially brilliant.
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Sterlings fee was 44 million
posted on 9/3/16
Liverpool recieved 33 million the rest went to qpr
posted on 9/3/16
Martial has been shocking and main reason for the 0's Man Utd have got.
posted on 9/3/16
You don't pay close to 50m for someone who still needs time to develop. That's crazy. Whatever pressure Sterling is under has been put on by himself anyway by demanding a move to a better club. Could have stayed at Liverpool and 'developed' all he wanted there instead of rocking up at City where he has not found it so easy. Time will tell. I don't think he will make it. Hasn't got the right attitude. As with a lot of young English players.
posted on 9/3/16
I don't think Sterling will become the player that people seem to think he should be,what you see now is pretty much what you get, and that for me is more than enough
His attitude is excellent ,he says the right things,if he had converted the chance in the league cup final one way or the other would he become a different player ,no he would still be the same player, a very good one that benefits City
posted on 9/3/16
comment by jedward belmont (U3109)
posted 42 minutes ago
I don't think Sterling will become the player that people seem to think he should be,what you see now is pretty much what you get, and that for me is more than enough
His attitude is excellent ,he says the right things,if he had converted the chance in the league cup final one way or the other would he become a different player ,no he would still be the same player, a very good one that benefits City
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If Sterling is "what you see is what you get" for the foreseeable future, then we need to get rid.
Sorry but like Roy Walker, I say what I see.
Big jugs.
posted on 9/3/16
"You don't pay close to 50m for someone who still needs time to develop"
Course you do. If you think his career could span 10 years at the club 50m could be looked back on as a snip. Same reason United paid 30m for Rooney all that time ago.
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