Biggish a question?? You remember our arguements for Jose.

I told you that he will leave in couple of years and will leave poison and an unsettled club.

But the sale? He wanted to be sold.
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Flash, with respect this is not the point of my argument.

I can't seem to get my point across, going back two years without some one saying that.

I know he wanted to be sold but I cannot find it in my heart to blame him given the circumstances.

comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
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comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga Nikica come on pretty mama (U1308)

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That wasn't the question really.

It was, would you you have rather not won the league under Jose and kept him?
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So if we hadn't sold him we wouldn't have won the league is that what you're implying?

And the question wasn't what I had posed in the first place - it was whether some one (who's opinion I respect) I disagreed with still held the same opinion.

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My question was, would you have been happy not winning the league and keeping him?

It's as blue sky as the belief that he would be doing as well at Chelsea......


Nobody knows!

I don't expect you to agree with me but i won't change my opinion on that unless the player proved me wrong.
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Again, you're not really getting my point Flash!

I think your point is that you are upset, upset that a player the club sold and then took five games to score against his former club in a cup game.

Sorry Arouna Jagielka but I don't see your question as having any relevance to the article.

I don't see that having him in the team would have any outcome on the title that year anyway - we tried our best to throw it away after Xmas but no one else seemed to want it either.

The two questions are not mutually connected as far as I'm concerned.

I was upset when we sold him and left us with the abysmal Torres, Ba and Eto'o to rely on yes Arouna!

comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
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I don't expect you to agree with me but i won't change my opinion on that unless the player proved me wrong.
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Again, you're not really getting my point Flash!
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I think likewise. We were his "dream club" every time he got a chance (limited or not) he froze.

If he ever got another big move, he'd choke imo.

Would he have come good at Chelsea? We will never know. Nobody on this board wanted Torres gone more than i did. But Everton were at the time a good way to discover if he could do it at a bigger club than wba.

Fair enough he did well, but he's at a club that imo is his current level. (We'll just have to agree to disagree)

Yes we're below Everton but would you have believed anybody last June if they told you how this season was going to go?

Flash he had a whole season at Goodison banging goals in, on loan the season before as well.

He proved himself at WBA, then Everton before going there permanently - leaving us to go into battle with three ineffective strikers.

The worst that could have happened would be that he could have been just as bad as them - so we'd have been no worse off!!!!

But that's just it. It wasn't Etoo, Torres and Ba that ultimately saw him permanently leave the club. They were gone or going.

Like I say i understand we maybe shouldn't have loaned him that 2nd season. But i don't believe he was or even is at a level where he'd do well for a team where there was serious pressure on him.

As I say if he got another "dream move" i believe he'd choke. And only the player himself would or could change my opinion on that.

Ori perhaps should say mentally strong enough....

Don't you think, bearing his competition, it would have been worth trying him Flash?

our striking options the season we actually sold him were apauling, possibly the worst I'd known since we were relying on Trevor Ayllot

But we sold him after buying Costa. Not the season before.

I wanted him to play the season we signed him.

I'll grant you it were limited time, but everytime he played in a Chelsea shirt he seemed to freeze.

In the pressure environment that is a team expected to challenge for the big prizes I'm not sure he mentally has what it takes.

He may yet prove me wrong.

I still think it's typical of our club Flash, had we tried him after his year at West Brom, we might have found the answers to some of the questions about him.

But that's just it. It wasn't Etoo, Torres and Ba that ultimately saw him permanently leave the club. They were gone or going.
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My memory tells me we already had Ba and bought Eto'o in the season he went to Everton??

On loan. But we sold him in rhe close/pre season of our title winning season.

Hi Brummie,

Greetings from sunny LA👍😎

I have been surprised and bemused at how Chelsea have performed this season.

Perhaps the reasons go much deeper than fans know. Is there something going on in the background that is causing the problems at the club.

Since the Eva incident, there appears to have been something unsettling at the club. Was it Mourinho, or is there something underlying involving the players.
Certainly several players have only shown brief glimpses of their abilities this season, Ivanovic, Costa, Hazard, Oscar.

In fact the only one who seems to have been consistent is Willian

As for Lukaku, I would have had him at White Hart Lane in a flash. Always destined to be a top player & I think one of the reasons he was let go is that Jose likes the finished article & is not prepared to invest in developing young talent.

Hello GG, you're getting around a bit mate!

In truth I don't know what to think but there are obviously some deep rooted problems at the club.

Your appraisal of the Lukaku thing is my view also. I could understand it if we had at least two decent strikers at the club who were keeping him out but the fact Jose chose to go with what he did just bemuses me.

I'm not one for conspiracy theories but those who say he was purposely trying to engineer his dismissal to get the Utd job might be on to some thing

That's what I meant Flash, we had Torres and Ba - and then bought in Eto'o - why wouldn't he get fed up?

Brummie...

Just seen this and yes I am 100% of the same opinion. Sorry mate you wait till he finally scores against an utter rubbish Chelsea team to try and make your argument? Does that mean until today because he had not scored agst us I was right?. Lukaku could have stayed, I wish he had stayed to fight, but he did not want to.........His choice.

Nah Biggish, nothing like that, not trying to debate it whatsoever.

I was genuinely interested to see if you were of the same opinion as you were when we sold him.

No worries mate, totally respect your opinion

He wanted to be a starter and he wasn't and isn't better than Costa.

Also quite frankly Traore has impressed me a hell of a lot more in the last month than Lukalu ever did in a Chelsea shirt, and I believe will be a better player

I'm happy Lukaku is making a decent career for himself but selling him and signing Costa for just 4m more has been very much justified.

That's not what I wanted to know Rm!

Well the basis of this article was about whether selling Lukaku was a mistake or not and I think no, for the reasons I gave.

Although I can understand why you and others would think otherwise.

No it wasn't - I wondered if Biggish had changed his mind from two years ago - nothing more nothing less!