comment by Redd Foxx (U19849)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by just plain old Dunc (U11713)
posted 1 minute ago
Brilliant shot stopper
Much better at commanding his area
Very good distribution
Very good with back passes
Best keeper in the league and possibly Europe

I dread to think where we would be without him
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dunc he is a brilliant shot stopper true but the rest?

His distribution has been chit lately, its back to DDG and hoof and we have shorties up front and we are back under pressure

Have to say often if he had command of his defenders he wouldnt need to make those brilliant saves, as would be the case if he ventured of his line
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He can't be blamed for defenders making shocking individual errors, let there runners go and the midfield being non existent, that's crazy.

You can organise everyone the best you can, but when they're making those basic mistakes there is little else you can do

http://www.foxsports.com/soccer/stats?competition=1&season=2015&category=OVERALL&pos=0&team=1&isOpp=0&splitType=0&sortOrder=0
Look at this joint top clean sheets and Man Utd keepers are not even in top 10 for saves.

I think only Spurs have faced conceded fewer shots on target then Man Utd but only just.

Sorry Foxx.

No chance. Keane, Scholes, Beckham, Rio would all take that mantle over him. Rio is the best defender I've ever seen tbh

comment by just plain old Dunc (U11713)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by Redd Foxx (U19849)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by just plain old Dunc (U11713)
posted 1 minute ago
Brilliant shot stopper
Much better at commanding his area
Very good distribution
Very good with back passes
Best keeper in the league and possibly Europe

I dread to think where we would be without him
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dunc he is a brilliant shot stopper true but the rest?

His distribution has been chit lately, its back to DDG and hoof and we have shorties up front and we are back under pressure

Have to say often if he had command of his defenders he wouldnt need to make those brilliant saves, as would be the case if he ventured of his line
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He can't be blamed for defenders making shocking individual errors, let there runners go and the midfield being non existent, that's crazy.

You can organise everyone the best you can, but when they're making those basic mistakes there is little else you can do
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dunc defenders are not completely blameless but you can see teh panic in clearing the ball from the area

Many times we see teh defenders having to put in that extra effort as DDg wont come for the ball

Wow. Shocked at how many think he is overrated.

To put it simply, he is the best keeper in the world right now and makes saves few others can.

OK he doesn't face as many shots as other keepers, but 1 thing Schmeicel was always credited with was great concentration, being alert when called upon after long periods of nothing to do. His distribution is also better than he is given credit for.

In terms of influence, I meant more so across the course of a,couple of seasons. Who else has contributed as much as he has? things have been bad but could have been a lot worse without him.

comment by merrysupersteve (U1132)
posted 16 seconds ago
Sorry Foxx.

No chance. Keane, Scholes, Beckham, Rio would all take that mantle over him. Rio is the best defender I've ever seen tbh
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Exactly

I see why dunc is offended now I think

DUNC i meant not important in terms of OP mate

Mate now you mentioned it I think we agreed on this before, do you think he commands his area? I dont tbh
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I don't know why he seems reluctant to come for 50/50's, when you look at cech and lloris in particular they're straight out to meet the attacker, wether he's being coached this way or not seems a bit odd

comment by Reddevilsdouble- il just say it was a joke (U12215)
posted 1 second ago
Wow. Shocked at how many think he is overrated.

To put it simply, he is the best keeper in the world right now and makes saves few others can.

OK he doesn't face as many shots as other keepers, but 1 thing Schmeicel was always credited with was great concentration, being alert when called upon after long periods of nothing to do. His distribution is also better than he is given credit for.

In terms of influence, I meant more so across the course of a,couple of seasons. Who else has contributed as much as he has? things have been bad but could have been a lot worse without him.


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Mate you put him as a comparison to cantona and no way is he anywhere near that level

Cantona was influential in many things off the pitch which have become ''norms'' for UTD players. diet etc

How is DDG the best keeper in the world. Cech Butland Adrian Krul Fabianski all had more amazing games this season then DDG. Anyway today he saved a soft header straight at him and a drive from outside the box at the end and that was it.

Having amazing games isn't relevant. Being consistently reliable is the sign of a top keeper and the likes of Krul aren't really in that ball park

comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 5 seconds ago
Mate now you mentioned it I think we agreed on this before, do you think he commands his area? I dont tbh
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I don't know why he seems reluctant to come for 50/50's, when you look at cech and lloris in particular they're straight out to meet the attacker, wether he's being coached this way or not seems a bit odd
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If you look back to the schmeical (sp) days, he made his famous star jump saves just inside the 18 yard box, often with dennis irwin or someone running on behind to clear off the line

Schmikes was like an outfield player at times

also funny how he would push and punch our defenders out teh way if need be

watch how many of our players defend the keeper rather than the ball at corners

I didn't compare him to Cantona. I asked if he is our most important / influential players since Cantona.

Keane, Rio, All the other outfield players mentioned have been great, but they all played in great sides and alongside top players.

DDG has been world class and our best / most influential player for 3 seasons now whilst playing in a poor side.

Krul was sensational his last 2 games against us, was like Neur performance against Man Utd with Schalke 04.

Being sensational against United twice a season is strange criteria tbh

i would swap ddg for lloris until we get a good back 4 tbh

not permanent like

comment by Reddevilsdouble- il just say it was a joke (U12215)
posted 7 minutes ago
Wow. Shocked at how many think he is overrated.

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I don't think he's overrated. But as I have said, I think his performances have sometimes been overrated as his saves have been made out to be better than they actually were.

Paul Scholes on Payet goal: "I think he (De Gea) should save it."

comment by Reddevilsdouble- il just say it was a joke (U12215)
posted 2 minutes ago
I didn't compare him to Cantona. I asked if he is our most important / influential players since Cantona.

Keane, Rio, All the other outfield players mentioned have been great, but they all played in great sides and alongside top players.

DDG has been world class and our best / most influential player for 3 seasons now whilst playing in a poor side.
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in that context

best? yes

influential? by my definition no

In a poor side. Last season least shots faced in premierleague= Man Utd. Not suprising as Man Utd had most territorial possession in the league last season.

And presumably the most chances created, given the juggernaut we have become under LVG?

We outshot nearly every side we faced this season. In our first 10 european games we had like 2.5x more shots then the opposition but Liverpool became first side to have more shots then us.

comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Reddevilsdouble- il just say it was a joke (U12215)
posted 7 minutes ago
Wow. Shocked at how many think he is overrated.

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I don't think he's overrated. But as I have said, I think his performances have sometimes been overrated as his saves have been made out to be better than they actually were.
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I agree with that fair bit to be honest. Whilst he does pull out worldies every now and again, I do think he has a knack of making some saves look a lot harder than they actually are.

Personally, I think the difference between the elite goalkeepers is negligible and doesn't have the same influence as some other areas of the pitch can.

Arsenal with a Vieira now for example would make more difference than a keeper change, ditto you with Keane.

So presumably we'll rank amongst the top few teams in terms of chances created? We won't be in the bottom 5 in that department? As a fan who's had to endure this, I already know the answer to that

He he saved the free kick it would have been considered a brilliant save so in that respect he shouldn't really have been expected to save it. It was a superb free kick and de Gea probably did better than most at getting close to it.

He isn't expected to always make brilliant saves which is why I don't think he should have been expected to save the free kick.