If managers quit everytime they didn't get the money they wanted there would only be Sven and Manchini left.
the sky reporter is a close friend of mclarens. maybe it is a way to get marha and donut to get their fingers out!
Don't think it's a case of what he "wanted" it's more what he was "promised"
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At this point I couldn't care less if he did quit. I don't mind him and am not against what he's done so far although what he has spent hasn't been successful so far. We almost had a £2M Dutch winger sign which the club can't be blamed for. How about he actually try getting a few loans and, I don't know, managing a team?
If he can't do it then we're better off without him.
A move for Leeds winger Max Gradel, that had been bubbling under for a fortnight, collapsed after Doughty refused to pay the £2 million asking price while a loan deal for Wolfsburg winger Ashkan Dejagah also came to nothing.
Loans next week can only be for 93 days
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So what? It's not ideal but we need a centre half and left back no matter how many wingers McClaren wants.
It was in response to this:
How about he actually try getting a few loans and, I don't know, managing a team?
He's obviously been trying to get season long loans in and a big part of managing a team is signing players that you want
I don't care how long the loan is, like I said 93 days isn't ideal but then having 2 centre halves for the next 3 months is worse.
Of course getting players in is a big part but it isn't the only part otherwise why the big salary? Then (if true) throwing your toys out of the pram because you don't get everyone you want is ludicrous.
Come off it Lloyd are you seriously trying to tell me that this is exactly how ND/MA spelled it out to SM?
They wouldn't have attracted SM if this how they said it was going to be. It's obvious that he's been lied to about the ambitions of the club and I can't fault SMc. Wouldn't you think twice about a job if it turned out to be totally different from what was described in the interview?
No I'm not and I'm confused at why they spent the money replacing Davies with McClaren. I'm saying that there are more constructive things for McClaren to do which would justify his salary. If his course of action is to resign then so be it and we're better off without him.
Maybe, if the plan was to rebuild and work to a tight budget we should've got someone like Jackett at Millwall who has built a team on a fraction of what our managers have, who buys players then sells them for a profit and whose team outplayed us and usually finish high up the table.
Maybe someone like Mark Robins would've been a better fit but I think that he was so desperate to get rid of Davies that he needed a big name, replacing him with one of the blokes I mentioned and he'd have had the A4 brigade in the car park again.
I'm happy for us to have a plan but we have to stick with it! This is one area where I'm not keen on Doughty. Hart gets us into the play-offs only for us to not build on success (not for the last time). He gets Davies who is great at this level, fine but then to sack him for a bloke who's not managed at this level is odd. To then not buy players if he's promised them is also strange.
Now, the caveat is that people assume Doughty said we'd back McC in the market. Nobody on here is sure what was said but it seems as though he must've made certain promises to have got him here.
Not panicking yet though, I still took some heart going forward from the WH game, we created more chances than we had in any Davies game.
We are a Club thati s built on penny pinching, narrow-minded, muppets, that have no vision, no balls, are terrified of Promotion, and think it can be a success by having a team made up of cast-offs and last minute loanees....
How can earth can you say that a club that is £60m in debt and runs at a perennial loss of at least £6m per year is "penny pinching", is totally beyond understanding for anyone with common sense.
Broken promises, maybe.
Lack of cash to lavish on a promotion run, maybe.
But not penny pinching.
What happened to the notion that an employee should just get on with his job to the best of his ability, utilising the resources he has got. Particularly when they are being paid hundreds of thousands of pounds to do it. It seems an "old fashioned" notion doesn't it? Players want to tear up contracts when they get better offers elsewhere and managers complain like hell if they don't get what they want, even though they are still getting paid.
Just about every employee in the country will be looking at their own company and thinking that things could be improved if only the company spent more money.
We don't really know what has been promised, do we? Have promises really been broken?
Steve Mac's CV would look just as good or even better(to knowledgeable brains) if he got the best out of the current squad, than if the club spent millions "buying" promotion. Or, even worse, millions were spent, but they missed out on promotion but were then £70m in debt.
Does anyone think that Mancini would be one of the best managers ever, if he won the championship this year after spending half a billion? Not many people would.
Oh and TEG, I know you're supposedly in the know so we must not have got Gradel because Doughty refused to pay £2M. I'm sure Leeds would've rather sold their best player to a league rival for £0.5M less than they sold him to St Ettiene for. I'm also sure Gradel would've rather gone to Nottingham than St Ettiene to be with his family, who live in France, too. Curse you Doughty!
Oh and TEG, I know you're supposedly in the know
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When have I EVER said or implied that?
Leeds would've rather sold their best player to a league rival
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Relegation rival
About 1 in every 3 posts on here and Derby's board.
You will end up with Brian Laws if McClaren goes
"A move for Leeds winger Max Gradel, that had been bubbling under for a fortnight, collapsed after Doughty refused to pay the £2 million asking price while a loan deal for Wolfsburg winger Ashkan Dejagah also came to nothing."
On this very thread.
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Oh and TEG, I know you're supposedly in the know
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When have I EVER said or implied that?
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posted on 2/9/11
If managers quit everytime they didn't get the money they wanted there would only be Sven and Manchini left.
posted on 2/9/11
the sky reporter is a close friend of mclarens. maybe it is a way to get marha and donut to get their fingers out!
posted on 2/9/11
Don't think it's a case of what he "wanted" it's more what he was "promised"
posted on 2/9/11
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posted on 2/9/11
At this point I couldn't care less if he did quit. I don't mind him and am not against what he's done so far although what he has spent hasn't been successful so far. We almost had a £2M Dutch winger sign which the club can't be blamed for. How about he actually try getting a few loans and, I don't know, managing a team?
If he can't do it then we're better off without him.
posted on 2/9/11
A move for Leeds winger Max Gradel, that had been bubbling under for a fortnight, collapsed after Doughty refused to pay the £2 million asking price while a loan deal for Wolfsburg winger Ashkan Dejagah also came to nothing.
posted on 2/9/11
Loans next week can only be for 93 days
posted on 2/9/11
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posted on 2/9/11
So what? It's not ideal but we need a centre half and left back no matter how many wingers McClaren wants.
posted on 2/9/11
It was in response to this:
How about he actually try getting a few loans and, I don't know, managing a team?
He's obviously been trying to get season long loans in and a big part of managing a team is signing players that you want
posted on 2/9/11
I don't care how long the loan is, like I said 93 days isn't ideal but then having 2 centre halves for the next 3 months is worse.
Of course getting players in is a big part but it isn't the only part otherwise why the big salary? Then (if true) throwing your toys out of the pram because you don't get everyone you want is ludicrous.
posted on 2/9/11
Come off it Lloyd are you seriously trying to tell me that this is exactly how ND/MA spelled it out to SM?
They wouldn't have attracted SM if this how they said it was going to be. It's obvious that he's been lied to about the ambitions of the club and I can't fault SMc. Wouldn't you think twice about a job if it turned out to be totally different from what was described in the interview?
posted on 2/9/11
See you on the 17th lads
posted on 2/9/11
No I'm not and I'm confused at why they spent the money replacing Davies with McClaren. I'm saying that there are more constructive things for McClaren to do which would justify his salary. If his course of action is to resign then so be it and we're better off without him.
Maybe, if the plan was to rebuild and work to a tight budget we should've got someone like Jackett at Millwall who has built a team on a fraction of what our managers have, who buys players then sells them for a profit and whose team outplayed us and usually finish high up the table.
Maybe someone like Mark Robins would've been a better fit but I think that he was so desperate to get rid of Davies that he needed a big name, replacing him with one of the blokes I mentioned and he'd have had the A4 brigade in the car park again.
I'm happy for us to have a plan but we have to stick with it! This is one area where I'm not keen on Doughty. Hart gets us into the play-offs only for us to not build on success (not for the last time). He gets Davies who is great at this level, fine but then to sack him for a bloke who's not managed at this level is odd. To then not buy players if he's promised them is also strange.
Now, the caveat is that people assume Doughty said we'd back McC in the market. Nobody on here is sure what was said but it seems as though he must've made certain promises to have got him here.
Not panicking yet though, I still took some heart going forward from the WH game, we created more chances than we had in any Davies game.
posted on 2/9/11
We are a Club thati s built on penny pinching, narrow-minded, muppets, that have no vision, no balls, are terrified of Promotion, and think it can be a success by having a team made up of cast-offs and last minute loanees....
How can earth can you say that a club that is £60m in debt and runs at a perennial loss of at least £6m per year is "penny pinching", is totally beyond understanding for anyone with common sense.
Broken promises, maybe.
Lack of cash to lavish on a promotion run, maybe.
But not penny pinching.
What happened to the notion that an employee should just get on with his job to the best of his ability, utilising the resources he has got. Particularly when they are being paid hundreds of thousands of pounds to do it. It seems an "old fashioned" notion doesn't it? Players want to tear up contracts when they get better offers elsewhere and managers complain like hell if they don't get what they want, even though they are still getting paid.
Just about every employee in the country will be looking at their own company and thinking that things could be improved if only the company spent more money.
We don't really know what has been promised, do we? Have promises really been broken?
Steve Mac's CV would look just as good or even better(to knowledgeable brains) if he got the best out of the current squad, than if the club spent millions "buying" promotion. Or, even worse, millions were spent, but they missed out on promotion but were then £70m in debt.
Does anyone think that Mancini would be one of the best managers ever, if he won the championship this year after spending half a billion? Not many people would.
posted on 2/9/11
Well said css
posted on 2/9/11
He is not going
posted on 2/9/11
Oh and TEG, I know you're supposedly in the know so we must not have got Gradel because Doughty refused to pay £2M. I'm sure Leeds would've rather sold their best player to a league rival for £0.5M less than they sold him to St Ettiene for. I'm also sure Gradel would've rather gone to Nottingham than St Ettiene to be with his family, who live in France, too. Curse you Doughty!
posted on 2/9/11
Oh and TEG, I know you're supposedly in the know
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When have I EVER said or implied that?
posted on 2/9/11
Leeds would've rather sold their best player to a league rival
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Relegation rival
posted on 2/9/11
About 1 in every 3 posts on here and Derby's board.
posted on 2/9/11
quote JUST ONE
posted on 2/9/11
You will end up with Brian Laws if McClaren goes
posted on 2/9/11
"A move for Leeds winger Max Gradel, that had been bubbling under for a fortnight, collapsed after Doughty refused to pay the £2 million asking price while a loan deal for Wolfsburg winger Ashkan Dejagah also came to nothing."
On this very thread.
posted on 2/9/11
comment by TEG (U3639)
posted 15 minutes ago
Oh and TEG, I know you're supposedly in the know
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When have I EVER said or implied that?
__________________________________________
Owd football agent woody
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