While it would be a great managerial achievement if/when it happens it certainly doesn't propel Ranieri into the greatest PL manager.
Nobody can undermine what SAF, Wenger, Mourinho et al have achieved. Ranieri would be looked on as a miracle worker in a short space of time but NOT an al time great YET!!!!!
You never know what the next 2-3 seasons hold.
comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
posted 11 seconds ago
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What Mr. Dazzler said. Greatest single achievement if we do win it, but I couldn't put him ahead of Ferguson, Mourinho or Wenger.
Incidentally, these are crazy times we're living in when Forest fans are telling us they hope we do it.
And I don't just mean the OP, I know plenty of Forest fans IRL as well who are offering their support.
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Wenger has consistently failed year after year after year and if he was at any of the clubs Ranieiri managed or even at a club with ambition of winning the title, he would have been sacked years ago.
Mourinho couldnt do what Ranieri has and it was actually Ranieri that built the team Mourinho first won the title with.
If you think either Mourinho or Wenger could have won the league with a team like ours then fair enough, I will disagree with you but at least then I could understand your justification.
Ranieri has taken teams to the brink of titles where he had no right to and that simply cannot be said for Mourinho's Chelsea or Wenger's Arsenal side that won the league.
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I know Tommy will mention Roma as a team that were in a position to win it but I don't think they wwre as good as Inter.
Agreed with Arro that most of ranieris title bids were with teams that weren't expected to win with the exception of inter where he didn't do very well.
Arro - I think Mourinho could, but Wenger couldn't. Wenger's strength lay in a different place though - don't forget the Invincibles and the fact that he and Fereguson defined Premier League football for a generation. He's looking past it now unfortunately but he's been great for Arsenal with much lower resources than his rivals and a great legacy. Just like O'Neill at Villa, they may find that they miss him when he's gone.
erm...whilst not over here what about what jose achieved art porto....!?
beat the big boys on a much lower budget....so to say he wldnt be able to do it is off the mark.
OP, if we broadened the scope to all-time top flight using your same metrics - i.e. being a good manager whilst not being a nob most of the time - would Cloughie make your top 50 best managers ever?
So many on here, seem to be fixated with greatness in terms of just success and hounrs won - to me - the term greatness is a much deeper quality
Fergie, is no doubt the most successful manager in PL history
What Wenger did going a whole season unbeaten, will probably never be repeated again
However, I'm talking about the complete package - not just honours won....I'm talking about character, honesty, integrity, humility, likability - all those qualities, that Wenger and Fergie never possessed
Ranieri has all of that, plus what is unfolding before our very eyes with him taking an unfashionable group of relegation fodder and turning them into the BEST in the Country - is not just the greatest achievement in PL history, but it does IMO propel him into the realms of greatness, and as a complete package, for me, he's the best I've seen
Anfield ....38 games is NOT af fluke!! Leicester are closer to winning the PL than Liverpool have ever been having spent a fraction of your budget !,
Is that what's making you so angry
ForestBootBoy - I think Greatness is an opinion that's partly based on emotion, so you're always going to get differing answers on it. It's like in Formula 1, Michael Schumacher won more than Ayrton Senna, but I think most people would have Senna down as the greater (quite probably greatest).
However, I'm talking about the complete package - not just honours won....I'm talking about character, honesty, integrity, humility, likability - all those qualities, that Wenger and Fergie never possessed.
you forget maureen
I doubt people will be thinking he's the best manager ever if the allegations against Leicester prove to be true.
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 39 seconds ago
I doubt people will be thinking he's the best manager ever if the allegations against Leicester prove to be true.
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vardy,used to be chick
ForestBootBoy - I think Greatness is an opinion that's partly based on emotion, so you're always going to get differing answers on it. It's like in Formula 1, Michael Schumacher won more than Ayrton Senna, but I think most people would have Senna down as the greater (quite probably greatest).
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Yes I agree - and the responses on here show that different people approach it from different angles - there isn't I suppose just 1 right answer....
.......apart from mine of course
comment by junction8 (U1074)
posted 14 minutes ago
erm...whilst not over here what about what jose achieved art porto....!?
beat the big boys on a much lower budget....so to say he wldnt be able to do it is off the mark.
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Yeah ok possibly but still don't think he could do it with our squad. We shall never know if course so it's just opinion 👍
some one once said...
'I'm not saying I'm the greatest....but I definitely in the top 1'
comment by ForestBootBoy (U20875)
posted 1 minute ago
ForestBootBoy - I think Greatness is an opinion that's partly based on emotion, so you're always going to get differing answers on it. It's like in Formula 1, Michael Schumacher won more than Ayrton Senna, but I think most people would have Senna down as the greater (quite probably greatest).
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Yes I agree - and the responses on here show that different people approach it from different angles - there isn't I suppose just 1 right answer....
.......apart from mine of course
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Would you mind addressing the question i asked earlier though?
Where, according to all your criteria, would you place Cloughie in an all-time top flight list?
comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
posted 8 minutes ago
ForestBootBoy - I think Greatness is an opinion that's partly based on emotion, so you're always going to get differing answers on it. It's like in Formula 1, Michael Schumacher won more than Ayrton Senna, but I think most people would have Senna down as the greater (quite probably greatest).
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Difficult but I would say Schumacher and I really didn't like him but saw him drive live so many times and he was brilliant. I only stood at the bend where Senna died 😔
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comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
posted 8 minutes ago
ForestBootBoy - I think Greatness is an opinion that's partly based on emotion, so you're always going to get differing answers on it. It's like in Formula 1, Michael Schumacher won more than Ayrton Senna, but I think most people would have Senna down as the greater (quite probably greatest).
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I really didn't like him but saw him drive live so many times
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Were you his escort?
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posted 1 minute ago
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
posted 8 minutes ago
ForestBootBoy - I think Greatness is an opinion that's partly based on emotion, so you're always going to get differing answers on it. It's like in Formula 1, Michael Schumacher won more than Ayrton Senna, but I think most people would have Senna down as the greater (quite probably greatest).
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I really didn't like him but saw him drive live so many times
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Were you his escort?
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No he drove a Ferrari, he wouldn't get in an Escort 😉
Greatest ever managers for me in order;
1. Fergie
2. Alf Ramsey
3: Shankley
4. Paisley
5. Clough
6. David Pleat
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comment by junction8 (U1074)
posted 14 minutes ago
erm...whilst not over here what about what jose achieved art porto....!?
beat the big boys on a much lower budget....so to say he wldnt be able to do it is off the mark.
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Yeah ok possibly but still don't think he could do it with our squad. We shall never know if course so it's just opinion 👍
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Also winning the Primera Liga with Porto isn't like winning the league with Leicester, it's more like winning it with Spurs and the CL isn't a 38 game tournament.
comment by Starrdude (U12353)
posted 47 seconds ago
Greatest ever managers for me in order;
1. Fergie
2. Alf Ramsey
3: Shankley
4. Paisley
5. Clough
6. David Pleat
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Pleat?
Pleat was one of the worst managers we've EVER had!
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posted on 4/4/16
While it would be a great managerial achievement if/when it happens it certainly doesn't propel Ranieri into the greatest PL manager.
Nobody can undermine what SAF, Wenger, Mourinho et al have achieved. Ranieri would be looked on as a miracle worker in a short space of time but NOT an al time great YET!!!!!
You never know what the next 2-3 seasons hold.
posted on 4/4/16
comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
posted 11 seconds ago
^
What Mr. Dazzler said. Greatest single achievement if we do win it, but I couldn't put him ahead of Ferguson, Mourinho or Wenger.
Incidentally, these are crazy times we're living in when Forest fans are telling us they hope we do it.
And I don't just mean the OP, I know plenty of Forest fans IRL as well who are offering their support.
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Wenger has consistently failed year after year after year and if he was at any of the clubs Ranieiri managed or even at a club with ambition of winning the title, he would have been sacked years ago.
Mourinho couldnt do what Ranieri has and it was actually Ranieri that built the team Mourinho first won the title with.
If you think either Mourinho or Wenger could have won the league with a team like ours then fair enough, I will disagree with you but at least then I could understand your justification.
Ranieri has taken teams to the brink of titles where he had no right to and that simply cannot be said for Mourinho's Chelsea or Wenger's Arsenal side that won the league.
posted on 4/4/16
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posted on 4/4/16
I know Tommy will mention Roma as a team that were in a position to win it but I don't think they wwre as good as Inter.
posted on 4/4/16
Agreed with Arro that most of ranieris title bids were with teams that weren't expected to win with the exception of inter where he didn't do very well.
posted on 4/4/16
Arro - I think Mourinho could, but Wenger couldn't. Wenger's strength lay in a different place though - don't forget the Invincibles and the fact that he and Fereguson defined Premier League football for a generation. He's looking past it now unfortunately but he's been great for Arsenal with much lower resources than his rivals and a great legacy. Just like O'Neill at Villa, they may find that they miss him when he's gone.
posted on 4/4/16
erm...whilst not over here what about what jose achieved art porto....!?
beat the big boys on a much lower budget....so to say he wldnt be able to do it is off the mark.
posted on 4/4/16
OP, if we broadened the scope to all-time top flight using your same metrics - i.e. being a good manager whilst not being a nob most of the time - would Cloughie make your top 50 best managers ever?
posted on 4/4/16
So many on here, seem to be fixated with greatness in terms of just success and hounrs won - to me - the term greatness is a much deeper quality
Fergie, is no doubt the most successful manager in PL history
What Wenger did going a whole season unbeaten, will probably never be repeated again
However, I'm talking about the complete package - not just honours won....I'm talking about character, honesty, integrity, humility, likability - all those qualities, that Wenger and Fergie never possessed
Ranieri has all of that, plus what is unfolding before our very eyes with him taking an unfashionable group of relegation fodder and turning them into the BEST in the Country - is not just the greatest achievement in PL history, but it does IMO propel him into the realms of greatness, and as a complete package, for me, he's the best I've seen
posted on 4/4/16
Anfield ....38 games is NOT af fluke!! Leicester are closer to winning the PL than Liverpool have ever been having spent a fraction of your budget !,
Is that what's making you so angry
posted on 4/4/16
ForestBootBoy - I think Greatness is an opinion that's partly based on emotion, so you're always going to get differing answers on it. It's like in Formula 1, Michael Schumacher won more than Ayrton Senna, but I think most people would have Senna down as the greater (quite probably greatest).
posted on 4/4/16
However, I'm talking about the complete package - not just honours won....I'm talking about character, honesty, integrity, humility, likability - all those qualities, that Wenger and Fergie never possessed.
you forget maureen
posted on 4/4/16
I doubt people will be thinking he's the best manager ever if the allegations against Leicester prove to be true.
posted on 4/4/16
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 39 seconds ago
I doubt people will be thinking he's the best manager ever if the allegations against Leicester prove to be true.
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vardy,used to be chick
posted on 4/4/16
ForestBootBoy - I think Greatness is an opinion that's partly based on emotion, so you're always going to get differing answers on it. It's like in Formula 1, Michael Schumacher won more than Ayrton Senna, but I think most people would have Senna down as the greater (quite probably greatest).
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Yes I agree - and the responses on here show that different people approach it from different angles - there isn't I suppose just 1 right answer....
.......apart from mine of course
posted on 4/4/16
comment by junction8 (U1074)
posted 14 minutes ago
erm...whilst not over here what about what jose achieved art porto....!?
beat the big boys on a much lower budget....so to say he wldnt be able to do it is off the mark.
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Yeah ok possibly but still don't think he could do it with our squad. We shall never know if course so it's just opinion 👍
posted on 4/4/16
some one once said...
'I'm not saying I'm the greatest....but I definitely in the top 1'
posted on 4/4/16
comment by ForestBootBoy (U20875)
posted 1 minute ago
ForestBootBoy - I think Greatness is an opinion that's partly based on emotion, so you're always going to get differing answers on it. It's like in Formula 1, Michael Schumacher won more than Ayrton Senna, but I think most people would have Senna down as the greater (quite probably greatest).
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Yes I agree - and the responses on here show that different people approach it from different angles - there isn't I suppose just 1 right answer....
.......apart from mine of course
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Would you mind addressing the question i asked earlier though?
Where, according to all your criteria, would you place Cloughie in an all-time top flight list?
posted on 4/4/16
comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
posted 8 minutes ago
ForestBootBoy - I think Greatness is an opinion that's partly based on emotion, so you're always going to get differing answers on it. It's like in Formula 1, Michael Schumacher won more than Ayrton Senna, but I think most people would have Senna down as the greater (quite probably greatest).
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Difficult but I would say Schumacher and I really didn't like him but saw him drive live so many times and he was brilliant. I only stood at the bend where Senna died 😔
posted on 4/4/16
comment by arrothefoxinoz (U8567)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
posted 8 minutes ago
ForestBootBoy - I think Greatness is an opinion that's partly based on emotion, so you're always going to get differing answers on it. It's like in Formula 1, Michael Schumacher won more than Ayrton Senna, but I think most people would have Senna down as the greater (quite probably greatest).
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I really didn't like him but saw him drive live so many times
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Were you his escort?
posted on 4/4/16
comment by itsonlyagame (U6426)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by arrothefoxinoz (U8567)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
posted 8 minutes ago
ForestBootBoy - I think Greatness is an opinion that's partly based on emotion, so you're always going to get differing answers on it. It's like in Formula 1, Michael Schumacher won more than Ayrton Senna, but I think most people would have Senna down as the greater (quite probably greatest).
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I really didn't like him but saw him drive live so many times
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Were you his escort?
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No he drove a Ferrari, he wouldn't get in an Escort 😉
posted on 4/4/16
Greatest ever managers for me in order;
1. Fergie
2. Alf Ramsey
3: Shankley
4. Paisley
5. Clough
6. David Pleat
posted on 4/4/16
comment by arrothefoxinoz (U8567)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by junction8 (U1074)
posted 14 minutes ago
erm...whilst not over here what about what jose achieved art porto....!?
beat the big boys on a much lower budget....so to say he wldnt be able to do it is off the mark.
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Yeah ok possibly but still don't think he could do it with our squad. We shall never know if course so it's just opinion 👍
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Also winning the Primera Liga with Porto isn't like winning the league with Leicester, it's more like winning it with Spurs and the CL isn't a 38 game tournament.
posted on 4/4/16
comment by Starrdude (U12353)
posted 47 seconds ago
Greatest ever managers for me in order;
1. Fergie
2. Alf Ramsey
3: Shankley
4. Paisley
5. Clough
6. David Pleat
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Pleat?
posted on 4/4/16
Pleat was one of the worst managers we've EVER had!
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