comment by Iwaslevel - Carry On Kuwait (U4836)
posted 42 minutes ago
Haha!!!!
The European Cup was a piece of pee to win back then. The only reason you won it back to back was because you automatically qualified for it second time. It's not like you won the league again and then won it again. It was harder to win the FACup than your second European Cup and that's why you didn't win the FACup.
Brian was right, the league is the biggest challenge. Nuff said.
#ComeOnLeicester.
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English champion > European champion
It's this unjustified entitlement which makes the rest of Europe laugh at England.
I am well aware of claims of cheating on one of the times you qualified through the league. It happened a fair bit, in fact we have one of the few instances that was actually proven. What about the other time then if it was SO easy?
As for the history lesson, you will find we won the League Cup in 1989 and 1990 (also reached the final in 1992). I only point out this out as we was a fairly decent side then as well and you mentioned 40 years.
I think you need help with maths, 1980 is 36 years ago and 1990 is 20. In fact, we've won most of our major honours within the last 40 years, bar a couple of FA Cups. In the time Derby have won the following....
(space left intentionally blank).
Hope that helps
"It's this unjustified entitlement which makes the rest of Europe laugh at England."
Oy
How is the promotion push going iwas?
You lot could simply copy paste from last year really, couldn't you?
What a peanut
Since Derbys last trophy
Leauge x1
Leauge cup x4
European cup x2
Super cup x1
Charity shield x1
(full members x2)
Since Derbys last trophy
Leauge x1
Leauge cup x4
European cup x2
Super cup x1
Charity shield x1
(Scouse got everyone banned from Europe domestic cup in x2)
..................
Corrected
I was there and never heard this. As stated I heard "Tottenham" but not "Nottingham".
In my experience the clamour from Leicester fans to have Forest as rivals has never been as loud as the noise from Forest fans insisting that we're not rivals. I think the Derby rivalry thing is a big part of a Forest fan's identity whereas I don't think Leicester fans have that need.
These things move in cycles and I'm sure that Forest will be our rivals for something in the future. Currently they're pretty much of an irrelevance!
"In my experience the clamour from Leicester fans to have Forest as rivals has never been as loud as the noise from Forest fans insisting that we're not rivals"
Yet, 95% of the time I see people insisting on not being passionate rivals from our side, it's in reaction to something
comment by Ray's Sarcastic Tone of Voice - FAH OUT (U18611)
posted 16 minutes ago
"In my experience the clamour from Leicester fans to have Forest as rivals has never been as loud as the noise from Forest fans insisting that we're not rivals"
Yet, 95% of the time I see people insisting on not being passionate rivals from our side, it's in reaction to something
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It's because having a "rival" seems to be a very important part of a Forest fan's identity - as stated. I honestly think it's a self perpetuating, self serving, thing between yourselves and Derby as well as being historical. Allowing space for another rival would somehow diminish the importance of the primary rivalry?
There are those who live in the NE of Leicestershire who are quite concerned to stay ahead of Forest, but it's purely bragging rights based on proximity. Ask a Leicester fan in Hinckley is they are bothered about Forest - it's Coventry all the way - whoever they are?......
Surely your big rivals are Spurs and Man City now Joby!
comment by Iwaslevel - Carry On Kuwait (U4836)
posted 3 hours, 10 minutes ago
Haha!!!!
The European Cup was a piece of pee to win back then. The only reason you won it back to back was because you automatically qualified for it second time. It's not like you won the league again and then won it again. It was harder to win the FACup than your second European Cup and that's why you didn't win the FACup.
Brian was right, the league is the biggest challenge. Nuff said.
#ComeOnLeicester.
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Rubbish. Forest won it with what would be considered a minuscule squad by today's standards. They then retained it after coming 2nd in the league the following year. Wouldn't expect a jealous Sheep to be honest about it anyway.
All achieved whilst up against one of the greatest club sides in English football history in Liverpool.
Forest's finest achievement was their League title in my opinion. Again, it's only opinion but in terms of relative over-achievement I would say that if Leicester see it through it would be even better. A Cup is just a Cup at the end of the day - glorious but less indicative of the worth of a team. Luck has a much greater influence. Wigan won a Cup but were so poor a team they got relegated for example. For the little it's worth I would say Forest's and Leicester's titles, if the latter see it through, were greater feats than either of Derby's.
comment by caniggiaforforest (U6917)
posted 2 hours, 34 minutes ago
Surely your big rivals are Spurs and Man City now Joby!
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Well Spurs and Arsenal certainly.
But I'm not naive enough to think that will be the case in seasons to come.
Derby's only cup win came just after WWII with the country decimated. But it's another thing that's a lot easier despite not really doing much themselves.
The Wigan example is stupid in this context for a couple of reasons. Firstly teams prioritising where money is more these days, Europe/League, secondly the difficultly qualifying for the European Cup, it being two legged against other Champions. Finally, only five teams in this country have ever won it, three more than once and only two back to back.
It's funny that fans who call Brian Clough a hero, love to belittle his achievements.
There is history in the biggest rivalries not just locality.
Not belittling at all Ray, just saying that in my opinion his finest achievement at Forest was the league title. Winning the European Cup may have been more special, I get that all right, but when they won the league Forest did it in great style and swept all before them. I also think Liverpool's dominance of the league in the eighties demonstrated their greatness more than their European Cups did. It's only opinion and I also get that you might think it is motivated by jealousy, and of course all Derby fans are jealous of those wins, but as it happens Clough had the same opinion, that the league was the hardest thing to win and meant more to him. I don't think Forest fans are proud enough of that league title - it's hardly ever mentioned. Maybe it's because there are fewer bragging rights in that particular direction.
Unbeaten run, league triumph after promotion are things Forest fans are very proud of. 90% of the debate with those that dip bins, relates to that rather than overall Forest of that era.
So Liecester winning the league will be the the greatest achievement. Thanks for proving me right.
ComeOnLiecester.
Well both shilton and Pearce reckon Leicester winning the league will blow forests achievement in 78 out of the water.
Pearce says that the gap between clubs coming up from the championship and the top clubs in the prem is so much bigger than it was in forests day. Ipswich did what forest did only a few years earlier which proves it was possible to do in those days
Our achievement on the other hand if it happens was considered to be impossible a few years ago. Anyone breaking into the top 4 was considered miraculous let alone going for the title
I wouldn't expect forest fans to agree naturally but the fact that people like shilton are saying it adds weight to the argument
You're really desperate to do this comparison aren't you? I've seen Shilton say there is parallels but never seen him say that, there is other legends who have said other things but because it's the EPL and clubs spend money it's better, I know.
No matter how strong the competition is at the time.
I'm not getting into a circular debate now, I knew you'd crawl onto here at some point. TFN
You haven't proven any point Iwas, other than being the usual moron
comment by Ray's Sarcastic Tone of Voice - FAH OUT (U18611)
posted 7 minutes ago
You haven't proven any point Iwas, other than being the usual moron
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Same as it ever was...
comment by Ray's Sarcastic Tone of Voice - FAH OUT (U18611)
posted 21 minutes ago
You're really desperate to do this comparison aren't you? I've seen Shilton say there is parallels but never seen him say that, there is other legends who have said other things but because it's the EPL and clubs spend money it's better, I know.
No matter how strong the competition is at the time.
I'm not getting into a circular debate now, I knew you'd crawl onto here at some point. TFN
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I'm not desperate to make the comparison, I'm just voicing my opinion. The comparison didn't come from me it was made by the media and a lot of other ex players. I happen to agree with most of them.
The trouble with you is Ray whenever someone says something you don't like you have to start getting nasty- rather than attempting to debate.
Just live with the fact that a lot of people, other than Leicester fans, believe the achievements are similar - and plenty of others think it blows forests achievement out the water.
That's obviously something you have difficulty processing.
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posted on 5/4/16
comment by Iwaslevel - Carry On Kuwait (U4836)
posted 42 minutes ago
Haha!!!!
The European Cup was a piece of pee to win back then. The only reason you won it back to back was because you automatically qualified for it second time. It's not like you won the league again and then won it again. It was harder to win the FACup than your second European Cup and that's why you didn't win the FACup.
Brian was right, the league is the biggest challenge. Nuff said.
#ComeOnLeicester.
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English champion > European champion
It's this unjustified entitlement which makes the rest of Europe laugh at England.
posted on 5/4/16
I am well aware of claims of cheating on one of the times you qualified through the league. It happened a fair bit, in fact we have one of the few instances that was actually proven. What about the other time then if it was SO easy?
As for the history lesson, you will find we won the League Cup in 1989 and 1990 (also reached the final in 1992). I only point out this out as we was a fairly decent side then as well and you mentioned 40 years.
I think you need help with maths, 1980 is 36 years ago and 1990 is 20. In fact, we've won most of our major honours within the last 40 years, bar a couple of FA Cups. In the time Derby have won the following....
(space left intentionally blank).
Hope that helps
posted on 5/4/16
"It's this unjustified entitlement which makes the rest of Europe laugh at England."
Oy
posted on 5/4/16
How is the promotion push going iwas?
You lot could simply copy paste from last year really, couldn't you?
What a peanut
posted on 5/4/16
Since Derbys last trophy
Leauge x1
Leauge cup x4
European cup x2
Super cup x1
Charity shield x1
(full members x2)
posted on 5/4/16
Since Derbys last trophy
Leauge x1
Leauge cup x4
European cup x2
Super cup x1
Charity shield x1
(Scouse got everyone banned from Europe domestic cup in x2)
..................
Corrected
posted on 5/4/16
I was there and never heard this. As stated I heard "Tottenham" but not "Nottingham".
In my experience the clamour from Leicester fans to have Forest as rivals has never been as loud as the noise from Forest fans insisting that we're not rivals. I think the Derby rivalry thing is a big part of a Forest fan's identity whereas I don't think Leicester fans have that need.
These things move in cycles and I'm sure that Forest will be our rivals for something in the future. Currently they're pretty much of an irrelevance!
posted on 5/4/16
"In my experience the clamour from Leicester fans to have Forest as rivals has never been as loud as the noise from Forest fans insisting that we're not rivals"
Yet, 95% of the time I see people insisting on not being passionate rivals from our side, it's in reaction to something
posted on 5/4/16
comment by Ray's Sarcastic Tone of Voice - FAH OUT (U18611)
posted 16 minutes ago
"In my experience the clamour from Leicester fans to have Forest as rivals has never been as loud as the noise from Forest fans insisting that we're not rivals"
Yet, 95% of the time I see people insisting on not being passionate rivals from our side, it's in reaction to something
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It's because having a "rival" seems to be a very important part of a Forest fan's identity - as stated. I honestly think it's a self perpetuating, self serving, thing between yourselves and Derby as well as being historical. Allowing space for another rival would somehow diminish the importance of the primary rivalry?
There are those who live in the NE of Leicestershire who are quite concerned to stay ahead of Forest, but it's purely bragging rights based on proximity. Ask a Leicester fan in Hinckley is they are bothered about Forest - it's Coventry all the way - whoever they are?......
posted on 5/4/16
Surely your big rivals are Spurs and Man City now Joby!
posted on 5/4/16
comment by Iwaslevel - Carry On Kuwait (U4836)
posted 3 hours, 10 minutes ago
Haha!!!!
The European Cup was a piece of pee to win back then. The only reason you won it back to back was because you automatically qualified for it second time. It's not like you won the league again and then won it again. It was harder to win the FACup than your second European Cup and that's why you didn't win the FACup.
Brian was right, the league is the biggest challenge. Nuff said.
#ComeOnLeicester.
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Rubbish. Forest won it with what would be considered a minuscule squad by today's standards. They then retained it after coming 2nd in the league the following year. Wouldn't expect a jealous Sheep to be honest about it anyway.
posted on 5/4/16
All achieved whilst up against one of the greatest club sides in English football history in Liverpool.
posted on 5/4/16
Forest's finest achievement was their League title in my opinion. Again, it's only opinion but in terms of relative over-achievement I would say that if Leicester see it through it would be even better. A Cup is just a Cup at the end of the day - glorious but less indicative of the worth of a team. Luck has a much greater influence. Wigan won a Cup but were so poor a team they got relegated for example. For the little it's worth I would say Forest's and Leicester's titles, if the latter see it through, were greater feats than either of Derby's.
posted on 5/4/16
Old one cup Derby
posted on 5/4/16
comment by caniggiaforforest (U6917)
posted 2 hours, 34 minutes ago
Surely your big rivals are Spurs and Man City now Joby!
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Well Spurs and Arsenal certainly.
But I'm not naive enough to think that will be the case in seasons to come.
posted on 5/4/16
Derby's only cup win came just after WWII with the country decimated. But it's another thing that's a lot easier despite not really doing much themselves.
The Wigan example is stupid in this context for a couple of reasons. Firstly teams prioritising where money is more these days, Europe/League, secondly the difficultly qualifying for the European Cup, it being two legged against other Champions. Finally, only five teams in this country have ever won it, three more than once and only two back to back.
It's funny that fans who call Brian Clough a hero, love to belittle his achievements.
posted on 5/4/16
There is history in the biggest rivalries not just locality.
posted on 5/4/16
Not belittling at all Ray, just saying that in my opinion his finest achievement at Forest was the league title. Winning the European Cup may have been more special, I get that all right, but when they won the league Forest did it in great style and swept all before them. I also think Liverpool's dominance of the league in the eighties demonstrated their greatness more than their European Cups did. It's only opinion and I also get that you might think it is motivated by jealousy, and of course all Derby fans are jealous of those wins, but as it happens Clough had the same opinion, that the league was the hardest thing to win and meant more to him. I don't think Forest fans are proud enough of that league title - it's hardly ever mentioned. Maybe it's because there are fewer bragging rights in that particular direction.
posted on 5/4/16
Unbeaten run, league triumph after promotion are things Forest fans are very proud of. 90% of the debate with those that dip bins, relates to that rather than overall Forest of that era.
posted on 6/4/16
So Liecester winning the league will be the the greatest achievement. Thanks for proving me right.
ComeOnLiecester.
posted on 6/4/16
Well both shilton and Pearce reckon Leicester winning the league will blow forests achievement in 78 out of the water.
Pearce says that the gap between clubs coming up from the championship and the top clubs in the prem is so much bigger than it was in forests day. Ipswich did what forest did only a few years earlier which proves it was possible to do in those days
Our achievement on the other hand if it happens was considered to be impossible a few years ago. Anyone breaking into the top 4 was considered miraculous let alone going for the title
I wouldn't expect forest fans to agree naturally but the fact that people like shilton are saying it adds weight to the argument
posted on 6/4/16
You're really desperate to do this comparison aren't you? I've seen Shilton say there is parallels but never seen him say that, there is other legends who have said other things but because it's the EPL and clubs spend money it's better, I know.
No matter how strong the competition is at the time.
I'm not getting into a circular debate now, I knew you'd crawl onto here at some point. TFN
posted on 6/4/16
You haven't proven any point Iwas, other than being the usual moron
posted on 6/4/16
comment by Ray's Sarcastic Tone of Voice - FAH OUT (U18611)
posted 7 minutes ago
You haven't proven any point Iwas, other than being the usual moron
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Same as it ever was...
posted on 6/4/16
comment by Ray's Sarcastic Tone of Voice - FAH OUT (U18611)
posted 21 minutes ago
You're really desperate to do this comparison aren't you? I've seen Shilton say there is parallels but never seen him say that, there is other legends who have said other things but because it's the EPL and clubs spend money it's better, I know.
No matter how strong the competition is at the time.
I'm not getting into a circular debate now, I knew you'd crawl onto here at some point. TFN
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I'm not desperate to make the comparison, I'm just voicing my opinion. The comparison didn't come from me it was made by the media and a lot of other ex players. I happen to agree with most of them.
The trouble with you is Ray whenever someone says something you don't like you have to start getting nasty- rather than attempting to debate.
Just live with the fact that a lot of people, other than Leicester fans, believe the achievements are similar - and plenty of others think it blows forests achievement out the water.
That's obviously something you have difficulty processing.
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