Afridi has reversed his decision not to retire again
Pakistan are seriously lacking talent hence why they keep going back to these jokers.
India went in to the tournament with too many players out of form. Probably the biggest disappointment of the tournament. Time for Kohli to take over.
Kashy,
Can't believe Afridi is not retiring.. Isn't he 40 or so
However I don't think Pak is lacking in talent. Your bowling is still quite decent and with few correct changes, your team can win lot more if PCB & your selectors get their act together.
Also what do you think about your coach Waqar issue?
Afraidi is 36. He's probably past it now as he isn't consistent enough with either bat or ball. After 20 years of international cricket, he still can't bat sensibly.
Safraz Ahmed is the new captain, but there can't have been many alternatives.
Pak need a clean sweep. Identify those players you want to go forwards with and stick with them for a year at least. Don't go back to players who consistently fail on the big stage and develop at least two spinners.
If you can't field, you can't play. Do that and the standard of fielding will improve almost overnight.
Totally agree with your analysis U2 regarding Pak..
But I can't understand why some English fans are after Stoky? They should be more concerned with Morgan. If Morgan is kicked out then who u think is suitable for captaincy?
England got to the final and nearly won, They were on top until the final over.
Is change really necessary? They surpassed expectations, maybe the squad needs more time. Yes, chop and change the 1st team, but i'd leave the squad intact.
India - Question marks must be raised for the top order batsmen, barr Kohli, they under performed. Not convinced with Rahane yet. Yes he sticks around, but doesn't get enough boundires
Lefty.. But what about Raina? Yuvi looks past his prime and don't u think it's time for Dhoni too? He can't hit as he used to and his selections begs some questions for sure.
Only 4 years until the next t20 world cup. Hardly any international t20 cricket will be played by england at least in that time.
Lol Benny! Then may be u may be stucked with Morgan. He may convince that his form is around the corner
On a serious note it will be better if u get rid of him. England is improving and they proved by reaching final!
No England can who understands cricket is gunning for Stokes. He is at the centre of our team.
Morgan's a form player and when he is out of it...he is poor. But he has experience and is an excellent captain. I feel your top 4 in Two should be your best players so I would love Morgan to 5 permanently.
I also feel we were a batsman lite maybe the to the need for a second spinner and partly due to an inexperienced bowling line up which needed extra bowling cover.
All just doesn't do enough for me. Why not use Root as the spare spinner to fill in for an over or two?
Finn is a huge part of the team and we need him back. Willey and Jordan have also proved themselves and deserve a run.
Crickets a squad game so Mills and Topley should be in the squad as bowling cover.
Spin is the concern...Bad Rashid who did ok, we don't have many options. Possibly Ansari when he returns from injury..
Roy, Hales, Root, Buttler wk, Morgan c, Billings, Stokes, Willey, Rashid, Jordan, Finn.
Cover: Vince, Malan, Mills, Topley, Ansari.
Two is T20.
All is Ali
Bad is Bar
Predictive text...
Interesting points Yorkie.. But I am sure Englandwhoelse may get a heart attack with Morgan continuing
However if somehow you get a decent spin bowler possibly a leggie then England team looks real strong. I can't believe our stupid captain and selectors didn't give much chance to Amit Mishra
India are an excellent limited overs team.
Having said that it was concerning how reliable you were on Kohli.
The young pace man whose name I have forgotten looks a real talent.
I would be tempted to move on from Yuvi. India never struggles for batsmen.
Intrestingly I always felt from a bowling perspective that your part time spinners such as Yuvi and Raina to a lesser extent play a vital role in the balance of your team.
You have the core in place with Kohli, Dhoni, Rohat, Ashwin and the young pace bowler.
Yorkie..
Of-course we were too dependent on Kohli but I sincerely think that it's time to move on from Dhoni. He is not the same explosive batsmen and he also messed up our test team big time. His selections also concerns us big time! Giving chances to that idiot Raina who can't ever play short balls from last ten years or so
We got lot of batting talent like Manish Pandey and may be Yuvi should retire soon. We are grateful for his services but we need to be ruthless like Aussies in selection. But as you know Indians are too emotional sometimes and act on it even if may not be the best solution for the team. Also BCCI is a useless board and they seem to care lot more for money instead of country's pride. Time for associates to give them more chances and spread this amazing game all over the world. I prefer tests more but with T20 it's more easier to expand in different countries..
India do have the core of a great team. Ashwin and Jadeja are perfect for T20 and, to a lesser extent, ODIs. Dhoni is a 50:50 for me. If he isn't going to be around for the next WT20, then he shouldn't carry on in that format now. I never thought Yuvi should have been in this squad, let alone the team.
If your going to get rid of dhoni because he won't be there in 2020, you have to get rid of ashwin for the same reason. Wicket taker but leaks runs
If you got rid of Dhoni who would be your keeper batsman?
Afridi u do have a valid point regarding Ashwin but then we don't have much spin bowling depth currently.. Bhaji is past his prime for long time and we can't rely on part timers like Raina or Yuvi. Jaddu at best is average and only other option we have is leggie Mishra that won't happen until bloody Dhobi retires.
U2 makes perfect sense regarding Dhoni too..
Yorkie that's a tough question but we have to start somewhere. May be Saha as currently he is the next best option. May be Afridi can suggest his view too as he knows about our team quite well.
Facty, I've no idea of India's up and coming youngsters. Don't follow them that closely. But for all the wealth and solid infrastructure / resources and financial power your board has - shocking that you relied on Kohli.
Also, are India becoming the new South Africa
Last 3 World Cup's -
2014 T20 WC - Finals lost
2015 ODI WC - Semi's lost
2016 T20 WC - Semi's lost
Afridi..
I have said before that our board BCCI is totally useless and many Indian fans have the same view. Alone money is not enough when you have such corrupt bas**t**ds.. We did decent considering lot of players playing passengers or past their sell date.
Yuvi cost us the final in 2014. Dhoni's stubbornness and favoritism to players like Raina, Jadeja, Dhawan has cost us many games. Time to change quick and fast and move on from these folks. We have batting talent and our bowling is lot better than before.. Thanks to Almighty that Ishant type players are no longer playing for us in shorter formats.
Also no one mentioned here but we should give more chances to Associates and if this big three crap should be abolished for the sake of cricket. ECB, BCCI,CA, PCB, WICB etal are competing who is most worse
"but we need to be ruthless like Aussies in selection."
Tell that to the Marsh brothers. Aussie selection has been an absolute joke for years, it's just the pre 2009 strength in depth papered over the cracks.
Duncan point taken.. We missed you bro during T20 World Cup Championship!
Still your test team is miles ahead of us. My favs is tests and our captain cool really messed us up. If u get even half of Shane Warne then your team will again become extremely strong in all formats.
What do u think of Morgan though? Just curious from an Aussie perspective..
The reason I wasn't commenting is that I was only half following the T20, it's not really for me.
It doesn't help that Australia's selection is completely mind boggling in the format, eg Marsh instead of Finch, changing the team half way through the tournament, chopping and changing in every warm up match.
I think people are being harsh on Morgan, T20 in a lot of ways is very random and I think we saw that in the final over, I mean, just look at the 2nd six (maybe was the third) Brathwaite has essentially changed his shot half way through execution and sliced it horribly and it still goes flying of long off.
The main reason I don't like it is this random element, you only really need one player to play well for 20 minutes and you have won the match. Luck seems massively amplified in the format. I really can't take it seriously when a team as average as the West Indies has won the World T20 twice now. Does anyone here actually think that players like Dwayne Bravo and Darren Sammy are actually good?
I could rant more, but I think I would just end up annoying people. I know it's the future of cricket and this massively depresses me.
OK, one last rant;
Who here has talked to someone who isn't a cricket fan and heard something like this, "I don't really like cricket at all, but I can watch that T20, that's ok." For me this says it all, T20 is for people who don't actually like cricket.
I really want to rant more, but I think I'm already dangerously close to being the old fart of the boards which at my tender age is very depressing.
Look I was really excited by the idea of T20 when it first came about and I watched almost every match of the inaugural IPL.
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posted on 5/4/16
Afridi has reversed his decision not to retire again
Pakistan are seriously lacking talent hence why they keep going back to these jokers.
India went in to the tournament with too many players out of form. Probably the biggest disappointment of the tournament. Time for Kohli to take over.
posted on 5/4/16
Kashy,
Can't believe Afridi is not retiring.. Isn't he 40 or so
However I don't think Pak is lacking in talent. Your bowling is still quite decent and with few correct changes, your team can win lot more if PCB & your selectors get their act together.
posted on 5/4/16
Also what do you think about your coach Waqar issue?
posted on 5/4/16
Afraidi is 36. He's probably past it now as he isn't consistent enough with either bat or ball. After 20 years of international cricket, he still can't bat sensibly.
Safraz Ahmed is the new captain, but there can't have been many alternatives.
Pak need a clean sweep. Identify those players you want to go forwards with and stick with them for a year at least. Don't go back to players who consistently fail on the big stage and develop at least two spinners.
If you can't field, you can't play. Do that and the standard of fielding will improve almost overnight.
posted on 5/4/16
Totally agree with your analysis U2 regarding Pak..
But I can't understand why some English fans are after Stoky? They should be more concerned with Morgan. If Morgan is kicked out then who u think is suitable for captaincy?
posted on 5/4/16
England got to the final and nearly won, They were on top until the final over.
Is change really necessary? They surpassed expectations, maybe the squad needs more time. Yes, chop and change the 1st team, but i'd leave the squad intact.
India - Question marks must be raised for the top order batsmen, barr Kohli, they under performed. Not convinced with Rahane yet. Yes he sticks around, but doesn't get enough boundires
posted on 5/4/16
Lefty.. But what about Raina? Yuvi looks past his prime and don't u think it's time for Dhoni too? He can't hit as he used to and his selections begs some questions for sure.
posted on 5/4/16
Only 4 years until the next t20 world cup. Hardly any international t20 cricket will be played by england at least in that time.
posted on 6/4/16
Lol Benny! Then may be u may be stucked with Morgan. He may convince that his form is around the corner
On a serious note it will be better if u get rid of him. England is improving and they proved by reaching final!
posted on 6/4/16
No England can who understands cricket is gunning for Stokes. He is at the centre of our team.
Morgan's a form player and when he is out of it...he is poor. But he has experience and is an excellent captain. I feel your top 4 in Two should be your best players so I would love Morgan to 5 permanently.
I also feel we were a batsman lite maybe the to the need for a second spinner and partly due to an inexperienced bowling line up which needed extra bowling cover.
All just doesn't do enough for me. Why not use Root as the spare spinner to fill in for an over or two?
Finn is a huge part of the team and we need him back. Willey and Jordan have also proved themselves and deserve a run.
Crickets a squad game so Mills and Topley should be in the squad as bowling cover.
Spin is the concern...Bad Rashid who did ok, we don't have many options. Possibly Ansari when he returns from injury..
Roy, Hales, Root, Buttler wk, Morgan c, Billings, Stokes, Willey, Rashid, Jordan, Finn.
Cover: Vince, Malan, Mills, Topley, Ansari.
posted on 6/4/16
Two is T20.
All is Ali
Bad is Bar
Predictive text...
posted on 6/4/16
Interesting points Yorkie.. But I am sure Englandwhoelse may get a heart attack with Morgan continuing
However if somehow you get a decent spin bowler possibly a leggie then England team looks real strong. I can't believe our stupid captain and selectors didn't give much chance to Amit Mishra
posted on 6/4/16
India are an excellent limited overs team.
Having said that it was concerning how reliable you were on Kohli.
The young pace man whose name I have forgotten looks a real talent.
I would be tempted to move on from Yuvi. India never struggles for batsmen.
Intrestingly I always felt from a bowling perspective that your part time spinners such as Yuvi and Raina to a lesser extent play a vital role in the balance of your team.
You have the core in place with Kohli, Dhoni, Rohat, Ashwin and the young pace bowler.
posted on 6/4/16
Yorkie..
Of-course we were too dependent on Kohli but I sincerely think that it's time to move on from Dhoni. He is not the same explosive batsmen and he also messed up our test team big time. His selections also concerns us big time! Giving chances to that idiot Raina who can't ever play short balls from last ten years or so
We got lot of batting talent like Manish Pandey and may be Yuvi should retire soon. We are grateful for his services but we need to be ruthless like Aussies in selection. But as you know Indians are too emotional sometimes and act on it even if may not be the best solution for the team. Also BCCI is a useless board and they seem to care lot more for money instead of country's pride. Time for associates to give them more chances and spread this amazing game all over the world. I prefer tests more but with T20 it's more easier to expand in different countries..
posted on 6/4/16
India do have the core of a great team. Ashwin and Jadeja are perfect for T20 and, to a lesser extent, ODIs. Dhoni is a 50:50 for me. If he isn't going to be around for the next WT20, then he shouldn't carry on in that format now. I never thought Yuvi should have been in this squad, let alone the team.
posted on 6/4/16
If your going to get rid of dhoni because he won't be there in 2020, you have to get rid of ashwin for the same reason. Wicket taker but leaks runs
posted on 6/4/16
If you got rid of Dhoni who would be your keeper batsman?
posted on 6/4/16
Afridi u do have a valid point regarding Ashwin but then we don't have much spin bowling depth currently.. Bhaji is past his prime for long time and we can't rely on part timers like Raina or Yuvi. Jaddu at best is average and only other option we have is leggie Mishra that won't happen until bloody Dhobi retires.
U2 makes perfect sense regarding Dhoni too..
posted on 6/4/16
Yorkie that's a tough question but we have to start somewhere. May be Saha as currently he is the next best option. May be Afridi can suggest his view too as he knows about our team quite well.
posted on 6/4/16
Facty, I've no idea of India's up and coming youngsters. Don't follow them that closely. But for all the wealth and solid infrastructure / resources and financial power your board has - shocking that you relied on Kohli.
Also, are India becoming the new South Africa
Last 3 World Cup's -
2014 T20 WC - Finals lost
2015 ODI WC - Semi's lost
2016 T20 WC - Semi's lost
posted on 6/4/16
Afridi..
I have said before that our board BCCI is totally useless and many Indian fans have the same view. Alone money is not enough when you have such corrupt bas**t**ds.. We did decent considering lot of players playing passengers or past their sell date.
Yuvi cost us the final in 2014. Dhoni's stubbornness and favoritism to players like Raina, Jadeja, Dhawan has cost us many games. Time to change quick and fast and move on from these folks. We have batting talent and our bowling is lot better than before.. Thanks to Almighty that Ishant type players are no longer playing for us in shorter formats.
Also no one mentioned here but we should give more chances to Associates and if this big three crap should be abolished for the sake of cricket. ECB, BCCI,CA, PCB, WICB etal are competing who is most worse
posted on 6/4/16
"but we need to be ruthless like Aussies in selection."
Tell that to the Marsh brothers. Aussie selection has been an absolute joke for years, it's just the pre 2009 strength in depth papered over the cracks.
posted on 6/4/16
Duncan point taken.. We missed you bro during T20 World Cup Championship!
Still your test team is miles ahead of us. My favs is tests and our captain cool really messed us up. If u get even half of Shane Warne then your team will again become extremely strong in all formats.
What do u think of Morgan though? Just curious from an Aussie perspective..
posted on 6/4/16
The reason I wasn't commenting is that I was only half following the T20, it's not really for me.
It doesn't help that Australia's selection is completely mind boggling in the format, eg Marsh instead of Finch, changing the team half way through the tournament, chopping and changing in every warm up match.
I think people are being harsh on Morgan, T20 in a lot of ways is very random and I think we saw that in the final over, I mean, just look at the 2nd six (maybe was the third) Brathwaite has essentially changed his shot half way through execution and sliced it horribly and it still goes flying of long off.
The main reason I don't like it is this random element, you only really need one player to play well for 20 minutes and you have won the match. Luck seems massively amplified in the format. I really can't take it seriously when a team as average as the West Indies has won the World T20 twice now. Does anyone here actually think that players like Dwayne Bravo and Darren Sammy are actually good?
I could rant more, but I think I would just end up annoying people. I know it's the future of cricket and this massively depresses me.
OK, one last rant;
Who here has talked to someone who isn't a cricket fan and heard something like this, "I don't really like cricket at all, but I can watch that T20, that's ok." For me this says it all, T20 is for people who don't actually like cricket.
I really want to rant more, but I think I'm already dangerously close to being the old fart of the boards which at my tender age is very depressing.
posted on 6/4/16
Look I was really excited by the idea of T20 when it first came about and I watched almost every match of the inaugural IPL.
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