I think everybody knows how bad hooliganism was back in the 80's and some minority of our fans were as bad as the minorities in most other clubs, but it's agreed that there was no fan trouble at this game, even the corrupt police at the time admitted that.
Now they're going back to trying to dredge up the "Drunk" "Ticketless fans" lines, which have already been discounted in the enquiries.
Why??? Why print this shiiiiiit
comment by Adam 'The Interview' Lallana (U20650)
posted 14 seconds ago
What have they done now?
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I missed the link in the article, just added it
it shouldnt even be a question, what a fecking joke
http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/announcements/214548-hillsborough-inquests-jury-goes-out-to-consider-verdicts
What ever happens at the inquiry, 2 things are guaranteed.
People won't get there loved ones back & I don't have much trust/faith in the press anymore. JFT 96
Then there is this one, here they make it sound as though the police were struggling to cope with a drunk unruly crowd.
Not one mention of Liverpool, having the vast majority of the fans, being given the smaller end of the ground, where there were nowhere near enough turnstiles to cope.
Nor do they mention that it was the latest of many crush situations at Hillsborough turnstiles.
http://www.sthelensreporter.co.uk/news/regional/dangerous-problem-transferred-from-turnstiles-to-terraces-1-7836872
It's only this St Helens Reporter rag giving air to this side of proceedings.
It's not mentioned at all on the BBC report nor on the LFC.com report.
comment by Keep It Greasey Fick mich, du (U1396)
posted 32 minutes ago
It's only this St Helens Reporter rag giving air to this side of proceedings.
It's not mentioned at all on the BBC report nor on the LFC.com report.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Mate,
I only found the rag by clicking a link on the BBC news page.
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
I don't know how it's even possible that some ticketless Liverpool fans who got in that tragic day can't possibly share some of the blame.
Obviously the police and officials working that day must share majority of the blame, there's absolutely no doubt about that. None whatsoever.
However the pictures on tv didn't show a ground that was ticketed correctly. There must have been tons of Liverpool fans in there that day without a ticket. They are guilty too. They, with the help of incompetent policing, caused that crush, surely?
comment by Stretford_Ender85 (U10955)
posted 8 minutes ago
I don't know how it's even possible that some ticketless Liverpool fans who got in that tragic day can't possibly share some of the blame.
Obviously the police and officials working that day must share majority of the blame, there's absolutely no doubt about that. None whatsoever.
However the pictures on tv didn't show a ground that was ticketed correctly. There must have been tons of Liverpool fans in there that day without a ticket. They are guilty too. They, with the help of incompetent policing, caused that crush, surely?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Who were these ticketless fans and what evidence do you have that there were any and indeed if they were, contributed to the deaths of their fellow fans.
Generally interested in what evidence you believe you have.
comment by Stretford_Ender85 (U10955)
posted 10 minutes ago
I don't know how it's even possible that some ticketless Liverpool fans who got in that tragic day can't possibly share some of the blame.
Obviously the police and officials working that day must share majority of the blame, there's absolutely no doubt about that. None whatsoever.
However the pictures on tv didn't show a ground that was ticketed correctly. There must have been tons of Liverpool fans in there that day without a ticket. They are guilty too. They, with the help of incompetent policing, caused that crush, surely?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
All the tv pictures showed was that there was overcrowding in some areas of the ground but other areas were empty. They didn't show anything about ticketless fans.
Stretford ender there are some abrupt questions asked of your previous comments.
Will you answer or are you afraid they challenge what you've been brought up to believe?
This idiot being interviewed by the St Helens rag said that control was taken away from the police.. But by his admission he :
Didnt have any training on crowd control
No queue lines or barriers were installed
He made a decision that increased the flow of people to the turnstiles
He didn't ask for kick off to be postponed
They opened the gates to let everyone in
They never had control in the first place, not a semblance of it.
It's a disgrace.
No evidence of ticketless fans whatsoever. The blame is purely at the hands of the police and The FA. If justice is done Duckenfield must be tried for manslaughter and McKenzie must be tried for perverting the cause of justice. Both must also be made to serve out their sentence at Walton.
If you want absolute resolution on Hillsborough then surely every claim has to be questioned and answered?
And to report it is not agreeing with it or promoting it as a correct theory, imo.
Of course you would question the role the fans had that day, otherwise it wouldn't be a fair inquest. They have to look at everything.
comment by Ruiney (U1005)
posted 4 minutes ago
Of course you would question the role the fans had that day, otherwise it wouldn't be a fair inquest. They have to look at everything.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Of course. And they have done. The article itself didn't annoy me, it was the guy above talking about ticketless fans.
Even if there were, which there's no evidence of, the ground wasn't full so it had no effect on anything.
Indeed, ticketless fans or not, the capacity wasn't reached, they were just in the wrong areas due to mistakes from the police. Hopefully the families will finally get the closure they deserve.
I don't think there's anything wrong with the questions being asked. The intention is to get some final closure on the whole issue. You can't do that without addressing every question associated with that day.
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
Just to clarify one very important thing.
The last enquiry found that the total number of fans in the ground wall pretty much the same as the number of tickets sold.
https://thegreatcritique.wordpress.com/2012/10/14/hillsborough-ticketlessness-was-not-a-factor-and-this-is-how-we-know/
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/hillsborough-jury-told-consider-entrance-10808664
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2012/sep/12/hillsborough-truth-about-causes-of-disaster
Even this report 10 years ago highlights that it was known that the crush was not related to the number of fans in the Leppings Lane end but the 3000 fans "corralled" into pens meant to safely hold 1200.
The police have since had to agree with this during the inquest.
So how does that tally with "Ticketless fans"?
It doesn't
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posted on 6/4/16
I think everybody knows how bad hooliganism was back in the 80's and some minority of our fans were as bad as the minorities in most other clubs, but it's agreed that there was no fan trouble at this game, even the corrupt police at the time admitted that.
Now they're going back to trying to dredge up the "Drunk" "Ticketless fans" lines, which have already been discounted in the enquiries.
Why??? Why print this shiiiiiit
posted on 6/4/16
What have they done now?
posted on 6/4/16
comment by Adam 'The Interview' Lallana (U20650)
posted 14 seconds ago
What have they done now?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I missed the link in the article, just added it
posted on 6/4/16
it shouldnt even be a question, what a fecking joke
posted on 6/4/16
http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/announcements/214548-hillsborough-inquests-jury-goes-out-to-consider-verdicts
posted on 6/4/16
What ever happens at the inquiry, 2 things are guaranteed.
People won't get there loved ones back & I don't have much trust/faith in the press anymore. JFT 96
posted on 6/4/16
Then there is this one, here they make it sound as though the police were struggling to cope with a drunk unruly crowd.
Not one mention of Liverpool, having the vast majority of the fans, being given the smaller end of the ground, where there were nowhere near enough turnstiles to cope.
Nor do they mention that it was the latest of many crush situations at Hillsborough turnstiles.
http://www.sthelensreporter.co.uk/news/regional/dangerous-problem-transferred-from-turnstiles-to-terraces-1-7836872
posted on 6/4/16
It's only this St Helens Reporter rag giving air to this side of proceedings.
It's not mentioned at all on the BBC report nor on the LFC.com report.
posted on 6/4/16
comment by Keep It Greasey Fick mich, du (U1396)
posted 32 minutes ago
It's only this St Helens Reporter rag giving air to this side of proceedings.
It's not mentioned at all on the BBC report nor on the LFC.com report.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Mate,
I only found the rag by clicking a link on the BBC news page.
posted on 6/4/16
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 6/4/16
I don't know how it's even possible that some ticketless Liverpool fans who got in that tragic day can't possibly share some of the blame.
Obviously the police and officials working that day must share majority of the blame, there's absolutely no doubt about that. None whatsoever.
However the pictures on tv didn't show a ground that was ticketed correctly. There must have been tons of Liverpool fans in there that day without a ticket. They are guilty too. They, with the help of incompetent policing, caused that crush, surely?
posted on 6/4/16
comment by Stretford_Ender85 (U10955)
posted 8 minutes ago
I don't know how it's even possible that some ticketless Liverpool fans who got in that tragic day can't possibly share some of the blame.
Obviously the police and officials working that day must share majority of the blame, there's absolutely no doubt about that. None whatsoever.
However the pictures on tv didn't show a ground that was ticketed correctly. There must have been tons of Liverpool fans in there that day without a ticket. They are guilty too. They, with the help of incompetent policing, caused that crush, surely?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Who were these ticketless fans and what evidence do you have that there were any and indeed if they were, contributed to the deaths of their fellow fans.
Generally interested in what evidence you believe you have.
posted on 6/4/16
comment by Stretford_Ender85 (U10955)
posted 10 minutes ago
I don't know how it's even possible that some ticketless Liverpool fans who got in that tragic day can't possibly share some of the blame.
Obviously the police and officials working that day must share majority of the blame, there's absolutely no doubt about that. None whatsoever.
However the pictures on tv didn't show a ground that was ticketed correctly. There must have been tons of Liverpool fans in there that day without a ticket. They are guilty too. They, with the help of incompetent policing, caused that crush, surely?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
All the tv pictures showed was that there was overcrowding in some areas of the ground but other areas were empty. They didn't show anything about ticketless fans.
posted on 6/4/16
Stretford ender there are some abrupt questions asked of your previous comments.
Will you answer or are you afraid they challenge what you've been brought up to believe?
posted on 6/4/16
This idiot being interviewed by the St Helens rag said that control was taken away from the police.. But by his admission he :
Didnt have any training on crowd control
No queue lines or barriers were installed
He made a decision that increased the flow of people to the turnstiles
He didn't ask for kick off to be postponed
They opened the gates to let everyone in
They never had control in the first place, not a semblance of it.
It's a disgrace.
posted on 6/4/16
No evidence of ticketless fans whatsoever. The blame is purely at the hands of the police and The FA. If justice is done Duckenfield must be tried for manslaughter and McKenzie must be tried for perverting the cause of justice. Both must also be made to serve out their sentence at Walton.
posted on 6/4/16
If you want absolute resolution on Hillsborough then surely every claim has to be questioned and answered?
And to report it is not agreeing with it or promoting it as a correct theory, imo.
posted on 6/4/16
Of course you would question the role the fans had that day, otherwise it wouldn't be a fair inquest. They have to look at everything.
posted on 6/4/16
comment by Ruiney (U1005)
posted 4 minutes ago
Of course you would question the role the fans had that day, otherwise it wouldn't be a fair inquest. They have to look at everything.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Of course. And they have done. The article itself didn't annoy me, it was the guy above talking about ticketless fans.
Even if there were, which there's no evidence of, the ground wasn't full so it had no effect on anything.
posted on 6/4/16
Indeed, ticketless fans or not, the capacity wasn't reached, they were just in the wrong areas due to mistakes from the police. Hopefully the families will finally get the closure they deserve.
posted on 6/4/16
I don't think there's anything wrong with the questions being asked. The intention is to get some final closure on the whole issue. You can't do that without addressing every question associated with that day.
posted on 6/4/16
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 7/4/16
Just to clarify one very important thing.
The last enquiry found that the total number of fans in the ground wall pretty much the same as the number of tickets sold.
https://thegreatcritique.wordpress.com/2012/10/14/hillsborough-ticketlessness-was-not-a-factor-and-this-is-how-we-know/
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/hillsborough-jury-told-consider-entrance-10808664
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2012/sep/12/hillsborough-truth-about-causes-of-disaster
Even this report 10 years ago highlights that it was known that the crush was not related to the number of fans in the Leppings Lane end but the 3000 fans "corralled" into pens meant to safely hold 1200.
The police have since had to agree with this during the inquest.
So how does that tally with "Ticketless fans"?
It doesn't
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