comment by Cinciwolf----KoP champion, HC+DG champion, officially paid for being here-----$254 (U11551)
posted 5 minutes ago
Cyp said he was tam, said he can't coach for shat, which is obviously nonsense, hence my response.

I am no stale fan at all and he fecked up with us, way too cowardly, but I won't trash his career because of 25 games.

The appointment was risky but it wasn't some kind of pin in map decision and could have worked a treat under different circumstances, but we were in transition and he was the wrong man for such a project.
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No I didn't. This is what I said:

The only sense that the Stale appointment made in theory was that we needed a manager. It didn't work out because he hadn't a clue how to manage, communicate, motivate and install any tactics.
A trained chimp couldn't have done much worse.

I don't care how he did before he came to Wolves and I care even less how he's done since. He was a disaster for us and set us back years!

As I said, my point was that his appointment had reasons to it that were not crazy, it just didn't work.

And tam, I would give McCarthy credit for winning the league as I did the championship, which is about the same level.

At least we're still motivated

comment by Halfmanhalfwolf (U11570)
posted 1 minute ago
At least we're still motivated


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Hopefully come August this season is just a blur halfy and Kenny has picked the troops up from what looks like three wins in twenty.

It's pointless trying to answer a theoretical question. MM will not manage a club in Denmark, so what's the point of the question? I'm basing my point on facts. When SS took over at Copenhagen again they were languishing at the bottom to the league. He managed to to pull in around and finished 2nd that season and 2nd last season. This season he will more than likely finish top.

For Cyp to suggest he's cannot manage is therefore incorrect and I still maintain he wasn't given enough time to sort things out with us. Too many of the players he inherited couldn't adapt to the style of football he wanted to play.

comment by Cinciwolf----KoP champion, HC+DG champion, officially paid for being here-----$254 (U11551)
posted 31 minutes ago

And tam, I would give McCarthy credit for winning the league as I did the championship, which is about the same level.
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Cheers Cinci. It was hard work but we got there.

I see Sunny bottled answering the question though, instead choosing to carry on with the same old rhetoric.

Are you deliberately obtuse, wolfie? I didn't say "he cannot manage", I said " It didn't work out because he hadn't a clue how to manage, communicate, motivate and install any tactics."

As I said to Cinci, I don't give a rat's if he won the Champion's League 3 times before he cam to Wolves and times since. It's only Wolves that I care about.

As for the player not being able to adapt, a competent manager would utilise the players at his disposal to their strengths. When you have lemons, you make lemonade!,

Apologies for the missing letters, my keyboard is on the way out!

comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf----KoP champion, HC+DG champion, officially paid for being here-----$254 (U11551)
posted 31 minutes ago

And tam, I would give McCarthy credit for winning the league as I did the championship, which is about the same level.
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Cheers Cinci. It was hard work but we got there.

I see Sunny bottled answering the question though, instead choosing to carry on with the same old rhetoric.
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You won't ever find me dodging a question tam

Cyp, you stated and I quote ".....he hadn't a clue how to manage, communicate, motivate and install any tactics". Unquote.

He did and can manage, but the players he had, were incapable of playing to his tactics.

To dismiss what he's done since he left, doesn't carry any weight with your assessment of the man.

The guy tried his best, but was let down by those players he inherited. That's my opinion and it won't change. You and other have your opinions of him and I accept that.

He did and can manage, but the players he had, were incapable of playing to his tactics.

What were his tactics do you know?

Cyp, a good craftsman never blames his tools.

Plus, I fail to see the difference between stating he hasn't a clue how to manage and he cannot manage. Same meat, different gravy and all that.

The best I could gain from it, was that he wanted to play possession football, similar to what KJ does now. However, SS didn't have enough players to carry out those tactics. He inherited players who didn't know how to play that way and were used to the hoof ball game. i.e. Ipswich Town FC. When you have defenders like Johnson, Berra and Ward, who by-pass the midfield, what do you expect.

comment by wolfieintheSunshineState (U16306)
posted 14 minutes ago
The best I could gain from it, was that he wanted to play possession football, similar to what KJ does now. However, SS didn't have enough players to carry out those tactics. He inherited players who didn't know how to play that way and were used to the hoof ball game. i.e. Ipswich Town FC. When you have defenders like Johnson, Berra and Ward, who by-pass the midfield, what do you expect.
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I'm sure McCarthy would have had the players playing to their strengths, and would have rebuilt around them. We certainly wouldn't have been relegated to Division One!

And knowing that Leicester, who were rock bottom of the Prem in the 2nd week of February last season, kept faith in their manager* and stayed up, suggests that maybe the season isn't over by then after all - and we might have stayed up! We'll never know.

(*Yes - he then departed, but that was a club disciplinary measure.)

No idea why you regurgitate the keep the manager lines.

I could least umpteen examples of sacking a amanger being a good thing, and all the Leicester job proves(west ham also)is that we should have sacked McCarthy after two years and not waited for a third, be proactive rather than reactive.

Well if there is one thing we have all learned today it's that Sunny never saw us play under Solbakken.

Didn't have the players to play his style I could have played Solbakken's style it was the simplest I have ever seen....pass sideways, pass sideways, pass sideways, pass sideways..oh feck someone pressing...hooooooofffffff.

I suppose it does explain his love of DB though.

Terry Connor's Wolves team that Stale inherited had higher possession stats against the best possession team in the country, Arsenal, than Solbakken's team had against Peterborough. And by then Stale had added £13m of his own 'talent' to the squad.

comment by wolfieintheSunshineState (U16306)
posted 40 minutes ago
The best I could gain from it, was that he wanted to play possession football, similar to what KJ does now. However, SS didn't have enough players to carry out those tactics. He inherited players who didn't know how to play that way and were used to the hoof ball game. i.e. Ipswich Town FC. When you have defenders like Johnson, Berra and Ward, who by-pass the midfield, what do you expect.
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We play possession football now with defenders that don't hoof it?

comment by DJ (U17289)
posted 47 minutes ago
He did and can manage, but the players he had, were incapable of playing to his tactics.

What were his tactics do you know?
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I watched us many times under Solbakken and can't tell you what his tactic were. Something about passing the ball round in your own half for a while I think, then sit back and watch the opposition pass it for a while without applying any pressure.

Wasn't it something to do with zonal marking?

I really try to answer some of wolfies posts in a polite, reasoned way, but boy does he make it difficult!

He clearly knows as much about football in general and Wolves in particular as my cat and she was run-over in 1983.

He is unreasonable and illogical and he makes my head hurt.

comment by Cinciwolf----KoP champion, HC+DG champion, off... (U11551)
posted 24 minutes ago
No idea why you regurgitate the keep the manager lines.
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Because it's a perfect example of a club not panicking and the manager keeping them in the division.

And that was little Leicester. (Wonder what happened to them subsequently.)

We plummeted down 2 divisions, getting knocked out of the cup by a non-league side along the way for good measure.

Our way, or the Leicester way? No prizes for guessing my preference.

I remember the day Solbakken's career ended in England. Yes I was at Luton but his career really ended in October. We won at Blackburn where we passed the ball sideways in our own half for 80 minutes and Blackburn didn't close us down, then Sako got a winner and we went 3rd in the league. And everyone there was saying this is terrible to watch but you can't knock the results.

Then in the next game Huddersfield did close us down and stopped us passing sideways in our own half. And that was that really. Everyone then knew how to play against us and 9 games later we were 19th. And everyone was saying this is terrible to watch, and the results are terrible too.

comment by DJ (U17289)
posted 6 minutes ago
I remember the day Solbakken's career ended in England. Yes I was at Luton but his career really ended in October. We won at Blackburn where we passed the ball sideways in our own half for 80 minutes and Blackburn didn't close us down, then Sako got a winner and we went 3rd in the league. And everyone there was saying this is terrible to watch but you can't knock the results.

Then in the next game Huddersfield did close us down and stopped us passing sideways in our own half. And that was that really. Everyone then knew how to play against us and 9 games later we were 19th. And everyone was saying this is terrible to watch, and the results are terrible too.
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Sounds like a mirror image of this season then?

Four wins in a row, terrible but winning, 3 wins in 18 as we don't really have any tactics other than to defend.

Sunny enters the room >>>>>>>>>> the mob attack !