Wise words LeedsFan. I would have thought that there would not be many on here voting IN,when they complain about our club being run by a despot,and want to remain in Europe where we are run by a bunch of them.
So vote in,what do you get?
Or vote out,what do you get?
Anybody who votes for us to have a dictatorship gain more and more control over us must have an ulterior motive.. Let us escape the EU before it gets even worse and do not listen to the scaremongering because politicians certainly do have that ulterior motive.
'Mickey Arthur's Cornered Tigers'
1 - immigration.... People must realise that there are desperate people in the world and we are duty-bound (what our core values and principles are) to help and assist...
I am not duty bound by anyone to help anyone, if I help anyone that will be my choice. I will not be dictated to by liberal do-gooders, who appear always willing to spend other people's money. My core values are for the safety and well being of my family and friends and those who care about me. I care not one iota for anyone living anywhere regardless of the situation they find themselves in and whoever it was that put them in that position.
How many of the liberal do-gooder mob have taken in a refugee into their own homes and used their own money to look after them? I bet I could count them on one hand. You are all nothing but a bunch of hypocrites, sitting in your armchairs spouting about good causes and doing nothing more than I do, which is to pay our taxes.
OUT of Europe and back to Great Britain.
In.
I'm no where near convinced by any of the out arguments and find it particularly laughable that the money they say we are going to save (which wont be saved when trade tariffs are introduced anyway) will be spent on the NHS.
Most of us who want our country back are old enough to remember things before the EU so we actually speak from experience.
Against EU: Too much red tape for small business...Too much red tape when trying to deport known criminals...Our system of Law is far too complicated now, with too many levels...Too many large contracts going to foreign companies... Too many foreign nationals working for employment agencies and willing to work for poor conditions which drives down pay and conditions for the rest of us...Too many foreigners to house because we don't have the infrastructure...Too many people placing a demand on services like NHS...Decline of UK manufacturing as most of it is now outsourced...Unrecognisable towns and cities as they begin to look like a foreign country...Politicians will tell us any kind of lies just because they aspire to a seat on the EU parliament with extortionate pay and conditions.
I could go on but I can't think of any For EU yet.
If you believe in cr4p like trade tariffs that means you are gullible and fell for the scaremongering because we will not be going down the route of other countries. We are a special case with much more leverage and buying power. We also have very good links with more of the world than the rest of the EU combined.
I remember the massive fishing fleet that we had in this country but now it is strangled by caps, which are often needed but not when they just replace our boats with giant Spanish factory ships which are allowed to fish right into our waters.
I won't lower myself to the level of calling people on the others oafs of this debate an idiot.
However if you don't believe that there will be trade tariffs when Norway has to pay them for free access to the free market and the eu have already said that the uk would have to pay one (and as they are desperate to make sure other countries don't leave it will probably be big a to act as a deterrent)
Then well you are an...oh wait I won't say that...
comment by Buntingford White (U9786)
posted 2 hours, 13 minutes ago
'Mickey Arthur's Cornered Tigers'
1 - immigration.... People must realise that there are desperate people in the world and we are duty-bound (what our core values and principles are) to help and assist...
I am not duty bound by anyone to help anyone, if I help anyone that will be my choice. I will not be dictated to by liberal do-gooders, who appear always willing to spend other people's money. My core values are for the safety and well being of my family and friends and those who care about me. I care not one iota for anyone living anywhere regardless of the situation they find themselves in and whoever it was that put them in that position.
How many of the liberal do-gooder mob have taken in a refugee into their own homes and used their own money to look after them? I bet I could count them on one hand. You are all nothing but a bunch of hypocrites, sitting in your armchairs spouting about good causes and doing nothing more than I do, which is to pay our taxes.
OUT of Europe and back to Great Britain.
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Thank Fek you are in the tiny miniority of those that think they they should only give a hoof about ther own and not wider society....
Like I said, you fell for the scaremongering because we are not anything like Norway.
Excellent link by Elland White
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYqzcqDtL3k
If only the BBC would broadcast this.
If Britain leaves the eu they will pay trade tariffs to trade with the eu.
Simple fact, one aknowledeged by all sides.
I disagree, they can pay to trade with us because we buy more of their goods than any other country. Your fact is not acknowledged by everyone, only idiots and scaremongerers.
Oh and there are plenty of other reasons I'm pro eu, tariffs only make up a very small part of my reasoning.
I have social, economical, political and environmental reasons as to why I think Britain should remain part of the eu, however I've long discovered that writing them down on a forum such as this one is pointless as you can't really get your feelings across as you want and the simple truth is that it's pissing up a wall anyway as most people have picked a side and only want to insult anyone not on theirs (case in point being this thread), so I really don't see the point.
Nope, pretty much by all, you keep telling yourself it's not
Link for scared person:
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/8b5907c4-0797-11e6-a70d-4e39ac32c284.html
Oh and so what if they buy loads of our goods?
You think they couldn't get them from elsewhere in the biggest free market in the world?
Most of us who want our country back are old enough to remember things before the EU so we actually speak from experience.
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World is a very different place now from 1975. Idea that if UK wasn't in the EU, things would turn back to how they were then is wrong.
Too many people placing a demand on services like NHS
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EU immigrations actually use the NHS way less than Brits. Majority of immigrations from EU are young and healthy. Plus they pay taxes here...so are entitled to use NHS. The strain on the NHS probably more down to the austerity strangling from Tory government.
Decline of UK manufacturing as most of it is now outsourced
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The decline of UK manufacturing has absolutely nothing to do with EU.
Too many foreign nationals working for employment agencies and willing to work for poor conditions which drives down pay and conditions for the rest of us
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I've worked for these employment agencies. It's terrible work, just exploitation. But you really think that zero hour contracts, casual hours, poor work conditions wouldn't exist if we were out the EU? Lots of workers rights - annual leave - are protected under EU regulations. That's the reason people like Johnson and Gove want us out.
Seems to me like a lot of what complaints you have wingman, aren't to do with EU but the decisions made by British government the last 30 years.
Are you really trying to tell me that if I visit my local hospital that I will not find it inundated with foreigners?
Do you really believe that a flood of people willing to accept poorer pay and conditions does nothing to affect such things?
Carry on burying your head in the sand but like I said..you are either thick or you have dodgy motives.
Of course it will be inundated with foreigners, of to give them their correct title.
Doctors and nurses
Don't get me started on that one either!
These bloody foreigners coming here and saving our lives.
NHS would collapse within a day if you took out all the foreign doctors and nurses.
I am out as mentioned earlier but as I said so many pros and cons for both sides.
However the point mentioned above is a very fair one. Our NHS is very reliant on the excellent work of our foreign doctors and nurses.
I personally have not one issues with skilled workers coming in from any country on earth. I am also strongly in favour of helping refugees.
My concern is the average Jo who comes over. You cannot blame them, but too many in my opinion when our infrastructure cannot look after our own.
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posted on 14/5/16
Wise words LeedsFan. I would have thought that there would not be many on here voting IN,when they complain about our club being run by a despot,and want to remain in Europe where we are run by a bunch of them.
posted on 15/5/16
So vote in,what do you get?
Or vote out,what do you get?
posted on 15/5/16
Anybody who votes for us to have a dictatorship gain more and more control over us must have an ulterior motive.. Let us escape the EU before it gets even worse and do not listen to the scaremongering because politicians certainly do have that ulterior motive.
posted on 15/5/16
'Mickey Arthur's Cornered Tigers'
1 - immigration.... People must realise that there are desperate people in the world and we are duty-bound (what our core values and principles are) to help and assist...
I am not duty bound by anyone to help anyone, if I help anyone that will be my choice. I will not be dictated to by liberal do-gooders, who appear always willing to spend other people's money. My core values are for the safety and well being of my family and friends and those who care about me. I care not one iota for anyone living anywhere regardless of the situation they find themselves in and whoever it was that put them in that position.
How many of the liberal do-gooder mob have taken in a refugee into their own homes and used their own money to look after them? I bet I could count them on one hand. You are all nothing but a bunch of hypocrites, sitting in your armchairs spouting about good causes and doing nothing more than I do, which is to pay our taxes.
OUT of Europe and back to Great Britain.
posted on 15/5/16
In.
I'm no where near convinced by any of the out arguments and find it particularly laughable that the money they say we are going to save (which wont be saved when trade tariffs are introduced anyway) will be spent on the NHS.
posted on 15/5/16
Most of us who want our country back are old enough to remember things before the EU so we actually speak from experience.
Against EU: Too much red tape for small business...Too much red tape when trying to deport known criminals...Our system of Law is far too complicated now, with too many levels...Too many large contracts going to foreign companies... Too many foreign nationals working for employment agencies and willing to work for poor conditions which drives down pay and conditions for the rest of us...Too many foreigners to house because we don't have the infrastructure...Too many people placing a demand on services like NHS...Decline of UK manufacturing as most of it is now outsourced...Unrecognisable towns and cities as they begin to look like a foreign country...Politicians will tell us any kind of lies just because they aspire to a seat on the EU parliament with extortionate pay and conditions.
I could go on but I can't think of any For EU yet.
posted on 15/5/16
If you believe in cr4p like trade tariffs that means you are gullible and fell for the scaremongering because we will not be going down the route of other countries. We are a special case with much more leverage and buying power. We also have very good links with more of the world than the rest of the EU combined.
posted on 15/5/16
I remember the massive fishing fleet that we had in this country but now it is strangled by caps, which are often needed but not when they just replace our boats with giant Spanish factory ships which are allowed to fish right into our waters.
posted on 15/5/16
I won't lower myself to the level of calling people on the others oafs of this debate an idiot.
However if you don't believe that there will be trade tariffs when Norway has to pay them for free access to the free market and the eu have already said that the uk would have to pay one (and as they are desperate to make sure other countries don't leave it will probably be big a to act as a deterrent)
Then well you are an...oh wait I won't say that...
posted on 15/5/16
comment by Buntingford White (U9786)
posted 2 hours, 13 minutes ago
'Mickey Arthur's Cornered Tigers'
1 - immigration.... People must realise that there are desperate people in the world and we are duty-bound (what our core values and principles are) to help and assist...
I am not duty bound by anyone to help anyone, if I help anyone that will be my choice. I will not be dictated to by liberal do-gooders, who appear always willing to spend other people's money. My core values are for the safety and well being of my family and friends and those who care about me. I care not one iota for anyone living anywhere regardless of the situation they find themselves in and whoever it was that put them in that position.
How many of the liberal do-gooder mob have taken in a refugee into their own homes and used their own money to look after them? I bet I could count them on one hand. You are all nothing but a bunch of hypocrites, sitting in your armchairs spouting about good causes and doing nothing more than I do, which is to pay our taxes.
OUT of Europe and back to Great Britain.
____________________
Thank Fek you are in the tiny miniority of those that think they they should only give a hoof about ther own and not wider society....
posted on 15/5/16
Like I said, you fell for the scaremongering because we are not anything like Norway.
posted on 15/5/16
Excellent link by Elland White
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYqzcqDtL3k
If only the BBC would broadcast this.
posted on 15/5/16
If Britain leaves the eu they will pay trade tariffs to trade with the eu.
Simple fact, one aknowledeged by all sides.
posted on 15/5/16
I disagree, they can pay to trade with us because we buy more of their goods than any other country. Your fact is not acknowledged by everyone, only idiots and scaremongerers.
posted on 15/5/16
Oh and there are plenty of other reasons I'm pro eu, tariffs only make up a very small part of my reasoning.
I have social, economical, political and environmental reasons as to why I think Britain should remain part of the eu, however I've long discovered that writing them down on a forum such as this one is pointless as you can't really get your feelings across as you want and the simple truth is that it's pissing up a wall anyway as most people have picked a side and only want to insult anyone not on theirs (case in point being this thread), so I really don't see the point.
posted on 15/5/16
Nope, pretty much by all, you keep telling yourself it's not
posted on 15/5/16
Link for scared person:
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/8b5907c4-0797-11e6-a70d-4e39ac32c284.html
posted on 15/5/16
Oh and so what if they buy loads of our goods?
You think they couldn't get them from elsewhere in the biggest free market in the world?
posted on 15/5/16
Most of us who want our country back are old enough to remember things before the EU so we actually speak from experience.
----
World is a very different place now from 1975. Idea that if UK wasn't in the EU, things would turn back to how they were then is wrong.
Too many people placing a demand on services like NHS
-----
EU immigrations actually use the NHS way less than Brits. Majority of immigrations from EU are young and healthy. Plus they pay taxes here...so are entitled to use NHS. The strain on the NHS probably more down to the austerity strangling from Tory government.
Decline of UK manufacturing as most of it is now outsourced
----
The decline of UK manufacturing has absolutely nothing to do with EU.
Too many foreign nationals working for employment agencies and willing to work for poor conditions which drives down pay and conditions for the rest of us
----
I've worked for these employment agencies. It's terrible work, just exploitation. But you really think that zero hour contracts, casual hours, poor work conditions wouldn't exist if we were out the EU? Lots of workers rights - annual leave - are protected under EU regulations. That's the reason people like Johnson and Gove want us out.
Seems to me like a lot of what complaints you have wingman, aren't to do with EU but the decisions made by British government the last 30 years.
posted on 15/5/16
Are you really trying to tell me that if I visit my local hospital that I will not find it inundated with foreigners?
Do you really believe that a flood of people willing to accept poorer pay and conditions does nothing to affect such things?
Carry on burying your head in the sand but like I said..you are either thick or you have dodgy motives.
posted on 15/5/16
Of course it will be inundated with foreigners, of to give them their correct title.
Doctors and nurses
posted on 15/5/16
Or*
posted on 15/5/16
Don't get me started on that one either!
posted on 15/5/16
These bloody foreigners coming here and saving our lives.
NHS would collapse within a day if you took out all the foreign doctors and nurses.
posted on 15/5/16
I am out as mentioned earlier but as I said so many pros and cons for both sides.
However the point mentioned above is a very fair one. Our NHS is very reliant on the excellent work of our foreign doctors and nurses.
I personally have not one issues with skilled workers coming in from any country on earth. I am also strongly in favour of helping refugees.
My concern is the average Jo who comes over. You cannot blame them, but too many in my opinion when our infrastructure cannot look after our own.
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