I was extending the logic of your reasoning. Surely most people could see that?
i dont see why you'd want a smaller tourny? get teams to gain momentum and then have some stellar line-ups quarters onwards
comment by Isle of Bute (U16473)
posted 5 minutes ago
I was extending the logic of your reasoning. Surely most people could see that?
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The logic of my reasoning was very clear, a 16 team tournament where you get rewarded for finishing top two in qualifying and in the final tournament.
comment by Tino79 - Proud owner of a bona fide apology from Sunny - easily a bigger achievement than winning a preds league (U2087)
posted 5 minutes ago
i dont see why you'd want a smaller tourny? get teams to gain momentum and then have some stellar line-ups quarters onwards
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It will liven up tino, but just too many cautious games in this set up as teams know they have a chance to qualify for the next round by doing little.
but then the "better" teams will have to break them down
Barcelona are apparently boring for struggling to break down teams that set up that way, now half the teams in this tournament are setting up the same way it isn't?
i dont understand your point ark
the groups don't massively appeal to me so I've watched maybe half a dozen games - englands wales' Italy and Germany vs Poland
no one is forcin u towatch
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comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf----Former KoP champion, 2x HC+DG champion, officially paid for being here-----$326 (U11551)
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comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf----Former KoP champion, 2x HC+DG champion, officially paid for being here-----$326 (U11551)
posted about a minute ago
I want it to be a 16 team tournament without all of this third place nonsense we have seen in qualifying and now in the final tournament.
It rewards mediocrity and purely exists for financial reasons.
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So Austria and Iceland should be there and it isn't a farce that they are, like you previously claimed?
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That group is a farce because it exists thanks to FIFA's ranking system, something I know for a fact you have mocked in the past.
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The groups are actually drawn using the UEFA coefficients, not FIFA rankings.
What would you suggest? No seeding? You could still end up with the same group. I'm sure it would still be a farce to you anyway.
Besides, that's not what you originally said. You said that teams like Iceland, Austria and Hungary shouldn't be there as Scotland had won more tournament games than all of them. Then said something about teams with pedigree (obviously Scotland weren't included in that comment).
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No, I said they all shouldn't be in the same group given they have zero pedigree.
I think the ranking at tournaments should be based on past efforts as it was for a long long time.
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Why should a team that's done bollox all for 8+ years (like Portugal, England, France etc), be more entitled to an easy group than an up and coming nation or one who has won their qualifying group?
The coefficients rank a team or nation based on what they have done in recent years. I'd rather that than ranking someone based on them winning or doing well in a tournament 20 years ago.
No seeding would be even better.
Who said anything about 20 years? It was always over two tournaments.
comment by Tino79 - Proud owner of a bona fide apology from Sunny - easily a bigger achievement than winning a preds league (U2087)
posted 7 minutes ago
i dont understand your point ark
the groups don't massively appeal to me so I've watched maybe half a dozen games - englands wales' Italy and Germany vs Poland
no one is forcin u towatch
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I am not watching much tino, but not sure why that means I can't have an opinion based on what I have seen and a tournament I feel has been dumbed down.
how is it dumbed down? because more countries have qualified? surely that's a good thing to let the smaller ones in? not our fault Scotland gained independence and stayed home
comment by Cinciwolf----Former KoP champion, 2x HC+DG champion, officially paid for being here-----$326 (U11551)
posted 4 minutes ago
Who said anything about 20 years? It was always over two tournaments.
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Interesting to read that only one team from each group were seeded in previous tournaments, so they avoided each other. The rest were all drawn randomly.
It means you could easily have ended up with Iceland, Austria and Hungary all in one group using the older, more 'superior' method.
comment by Tino79 - Proud owner of a bona fide apology from Sunny - easily a bigger achievement than winning a preds league (U2087)
posted 2 minutes ago
how is it dumbed down? because more countries have qualified? surely that's a good thing to let the smaller ones in? not our fault Scotland gained independence and stayed home
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Still less teams and games than in the World Cup, which must be really dumbed down.
13 European teams qualified for the last World Cup. Surely only having 16 teams in the Euros means we practically just have a mini World Cup, rather than a proper European tournament.
I don't get why 16 is a magic number, there are obviously more than 16 teams in Europe that can reach the required standard of BBTS* but not 32 so the current format seems like a good solution. It means very few dead rubbers, teams gaining their first experience of the knock-out rounds and some very happy football fans.
None of this of course will make any difference to a bitter Scotch who would rather watch two teams play each other seven times to see who is best as long as there are dancing girls and a parade which are apparently integral parts of sport now.
*BeBetterThanScotchland
thats the thing how can a country of scotlands standing in the game fail to qualify when the likes of Albania and Iceland manage to
They need to learn some humility.
You won't find Icelanders or Northern Irish slating the tournament if they don't qualify for the next one, they will know that a 24 team format gives them an opportunity to qualify for every third or fourth tournie and welcome the change because of that.
The Scotch could live with not being in the top 16 in Europe but have got all bent out of shape at not being in the top 24, they should embrace a few of the minnows being invited as it means there is a reasonable chance they will get to a tournament during most fans lifetimes.
Can assure you I am not bitter, in fact I was pleased with Scotland's efforts and the fact is we were very close, and that for a team as poor as ours.
16 is a good number as it is a third of Europe in a final tournament and not having teams that finish third in qualifying and then being able to finish third in a tournament group still being able to proceed.
Those teams will have possibly lost five or six games but still find themselves in the knockout stages of a tournament, I find that a little silly.
Given that the general view is that it has been a more entertaining opening phase than most tournaments, and given that the minor teams have generally had fan followings of over 10,000 to the games, and given that some of the 'small teams' like Wales, Northern Ireland, Hungary and Iceland are threatening to finish above the 'larger teams' in their groups, surely the chances of the tourney reducing back to 16 teams rests somewhere between nil and zero
comment by Cinciwolf----Former KoP champion, 2x HC+DG champion, officially paid for being here-----$326 (U11551)
posted 12 minutes ago
Can assure you I am not bitter, in fact I was pleased with Scotland's efforts and the fact is we were very close, and that for a team as poor as ours.
16 is a good number as it is a third of Europe in a final tournament and not having teams that finish third in qualifying and then being able to finish third in a tournament group still being able to proceed.
Those teams will have possibly lost five or six games but still find themselves in the knockout stages of a tournament, I find that a little silly.
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You were as close to the second place team as you were to Georgia in 5th six points off and nowhere near qualification under the old system.
I know you live in a place where a world series involves teams from one country but Football is a world game and I think it is great that some of the smaller nations in Europe are taking part. One day that might be Scotland sneaking in and I'm sure you'll have a different opinion then.
Has the general view been that dj? I have seen plenty criticise the quality so far and we have the lowest goal total don't we, or at least we did a few days a go.
Good that you keep bringing up world series etc tats, but no idea what your point is.
That you seem to prefer a closed shop like the world series or two netball teams playing each other a dozen times.
as for the goals so far I'd be very surprised if the total wasn't higher than usual.
Wolves are apparently losing out.....
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/2016/06/21/transfer-rumours-june-21-3/
The total was below two a matter of days ago, I haven't looked since but two 0-0s the last four games won't have improved it I doubt.
And those sports are not a closed shop, they start with 30 odd teams, they just spread the finals out so that it isn't a one off lottery.
In baseball it makes perfect sense as it is a five day rotation for pitchers.
Currently at 1.82 goals a game right now.
I haven't added the goals up at all but it feels like there haven't been many cagey games, even nil-nil can be entertaining so maybe the average per game is lower but it certainly hasn't felt that way.
So how do you become one of those 30 teams then? Do you get promoted from the tier below?
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posted on 21/6/16
I was extending the logic of your reasoning. Surely most people could see that?
posted on 21/6/16
i dont see why you'd want a smaller tourny? get teams to gain momentum and then have some stellar line-ups quarters onwards
posted on 21/6/16
comment by Isle of Bute (U16473)
posted 5 minutes ago
I was extending the logic of your reasoning. Surely most people could see that?
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The logic of my reasoning was very clear, a 16 team tournament where you get rewarded for finishing top two in qualifying and in the final tournament.
posted on 21/6/16
comment by Tino79 - Proud owner of a bona fide apology from Sunny - easily a bigger achievement than winning a preds league (U2087)
posted 5 minutes ago
i dont see why you'd want a smaller tourny? get teams to gain momentum and then have some stellar line-ups quarters onwards
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It will liven up tino, but just too many cautious games in this set up as teams know they have a chance to qualify for the next round by doing little.
posted on 21/6/16
but then the "better" teams will have to break them down
posted on 21/6/16
Barcelona are apparently boring for struggling to break down teams that set up that way, now half the teams in this tournament are setting up the same way it isn't?
posted on 21/6/16
i dont understand your point ark
the groups don't massively appeal to me so I've watched maybe half a dozen games - englands wales' Italy and Germany vs Poland
no one is forcin u towatch
posted on 21/6/16
comment by Cinciwolf----Former KoP champion, 2x HC+DG champion, officially paid for being here-----$326 (U11551)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf----Former KoP champion, 2x HC+DG champion, officially paid for being here-----$326 (U11551)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf----Former KoP champion, 2x HC+DG champion, officially paid for being here-----$326 (U11551)
posted about a minute ago
I want it to be a 16 team tournament without all of this third place nonsense we have seen in qualifying and now in the final tournament.
It rewards mediocrity and purely exists for financial reasons.
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So Austria and Iceland should be there and it isn't a farce that they are, like you previously claimed?
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That group is a farce because it exists thanks to FIFA's ranking system, something I know for a fact you have mocked in the past.
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The groups are actually drawn using the UEFA coefficients, not FIFA rankings.
What would you suggest? No seeding? You could still end up with the same group. I'm sure it would still be a farce to you anyway.
Besides, that's not what you originally said. You said that teams like Iceland, Austria and Hungary shouldn't be there as Scotland had won more tournament games than all of them. Then said something about teams with pedigree (obviously Scotland weren't included in that comment).
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No, I said they all shouldn't be in the same group given they have zero pedigree.
I think the ranking at tournaments should be based on past efforts as it was for a long long time.
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Why should a team that's done bollox all for 8+ years (like Portugal, England, France etc), be more entitled to an easy group than an up and coming nation or one who has won their qualifying group?
The coefficients rank a team or nation based on what they have done in recent years. I'd rather that than ranking someone based on them winning or doing well in a tournament 20 years ago.
No seeding would be even better.
posted on 21/6/16
Who said anything about 20 years? It was always over two tournaments.
posted on 21/6/16
comment by Tino79 - Proud owner of a bona fide apology from Sunny - easily a bigger achievement than winning a preds league (U2087)
posted 7 minutes ago
i dont understand your point ark
the groups don't massively appeal to me so I've watched maybe half a dozen games - englands wales' Italy and Germany vs Poland
no one is forcin u towatch
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I am not watching much tino, but not sure why that means I can't have an opinion based on what I have seen and a tournament I feel has been dumbed down.
posted on 21/6/16
how is it dumbed down? because more countries have qualified? surely that's a good thing to let the smaller ones in? not our fault Scotland gained independence and stayed home
posted on 21/6/16
comment by Cinciwolf----Former KoP champion, 2x HC+DG champion, officially paid for being here-----$326 (U11551)
posted 4 minutes ago
Who said anything about 20 years? It was always over two tournaments.
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Interesting to read that only one team from each group were seeded in previous tournaments, so they avoided each other. The rest were all drawn randomly.
It means you could easily have ended up with Iceland, Austria and Hungary all in one group using the older, more 'superior' method.
posted on 21/6/16
comment by Tino79 - Proud owner of a bona fide apology from Sunny - easily a bigger achievement than winning a preds league (U2087)
posted 2 minutes ago
how is it dumbed down? because more countries have qualified? surely that's a good thing to let the smaller ones in? not our fault Scotland gained independence and stayed home
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Still less teams and games than in the World Cup, which must be really dumbed down.
13 European teams qualified for the last World Cup. Surely only having 16 teams in the Euros means we practically just have a mini World Cup, rather than a proper European tournament.
posted on 21/6/16
I don't get why 16 is a magic number, there are obviously more than 16 teams in Europe that can reach the required standard of BBTS* but not 32 so the current format seems like a good solution. It means very few dead rubbers, teams gaining their first experience of the knock-out rounds and some very happy football fans.
None of this of course will make any difference to a bitter Scotch who would rather watch two teams play each other seven times to see who is best as long as there are dancing girls and a parade which are apparently integral parts of sport now.
*BeBetterThanScotchland
posted on 21/6/16
thats the thing how can a country of scotlands standing in the game fail to qualify when the likes of Albania and Iceland manage to
posted on 21/6/16
They need to learn some humility.
You won't find Icelanders or Northern Irish slating the tournament if they don't qualify for the next one, they will know that a 24 team format gives them an opportunity to qualify for every third or fourth tournie and welcome the change because of that.
The Scotch could live with not being in the top 16 in Europe but have got all bent out of shape at not being in the top 24, they should embrace a few of the minnows being invited as it means there is a reasonable chance they will get to a tournament during most fans lifetimes.
posted on 21/6/16
Can assure you I am not bitter, in fact I was pleased with Scotland's efforts and the fact is we were very close, and that for a team as poor as ours.
16 is a good number as it is a third of Europe in a final tournament and not having teams that finish third in qualifying and then being able to finish third in a tournament group still being able to proceed.
Those teams will have possibly lost five or six games but still find themselves in the knockout stages of a tournament, I find that a little silly.
posted on 21/6/16
Given that the general view is that it has been a more entertaining opening phase than most tournaments, and given that the minor teams have generally had fan followings of over 10,000 to the games, and given that some of the 'small teams' like Wales, Northern Ireland, Hungary and Iceland are threatening to finish above the 'larger teams' in their groups, surely the chances of the tourney reducing back to 16 teams rests somewhere between nil and zero
posted on 21/6/16
comment by Cinciwolf----Former KoP champion, 2x HC+DG champion, officially paid for being here-----$326 (U11551)
posted 12 minutes ago
Can assure you I am not bitter, in fact I was pleased with Scotland's efforts and the fact is we were very close, and that for a team as poor as ours.
16 is a good number as it is a third of Europe in a final tournament and not having teams that finish third in qualifying and then being able to finish third in a tournament group still being able to proceed.
Those teams will have possibly lost five or six games but still find themselves in the knockout stages of a tournament, I find that a little silly.
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You were as close to the second place team as you were to Georgia in 5th six points off and nowhere near qualification under the old system.
I know you live in a place where a world series involves teams from one country but Football is a world game and I think it is great that some of the smaller nations in Europe are taking part. One day that might be Scotland sneaking in and I'm sure you'll have a different opinion then.
posted on 21/6/16
Has the general view been that dj? I have seen plenty criticise the quality so far and we have the lowest goal total don't we, or at least we did a few days a go.
Good that you keep bringing up world series etc tats, but no idea what your point is.
posted on 21/6/16
That you seem to prefer a closed shop like the world series or two netball teams playing each other a dozen times.
as for the goals so far I'd be very surprised if the total wasn't higher than usual.
posted on 21/6/16
Wolves are apparently losing out.....
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/2016/06/21/transfer-rumours-june-21-3/
posted on 21/6/16
The total was below two a matter of days ago, I haven't looked since but two 0-0s the last four games won't have improved it I doubt.
And those sports are not a closed shop, they start with 30 odd teams, they just spread the finals out so that it isn't a one off lottery.
In baseball it makes perfect sense as it is a five day rotation for pitchers.
posted on 21/6/16
Currently at 1.82 goals a game right now.
posted on 21/6/16
I haven't added the goals up at all but it feels like there haven't been many cagey games, even nil-nil can be entertaining so maybe the average per game is lower but it certainly hasn't felt that way.
So how do you become one of those 30 teams then? Do you get promoted from the tier below?
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