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comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 minute ago
Melton

True, it'll be very interesting to see what happens after 2-3 years. It could all go sour or you never know he might get the full backing of the club, build the side he wants and be happy? It'll also be interesting to see what happens to Pep too, do you see him staying more than 3 years? Where's next for his career?
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Nah, three years with us and that's it. Italy next for him, I reckon.

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He spent around two thirds what LVG did at United though and significantly improves Real and left the vast majority of the side that went on to win the CL a year later. I get you hate Jose and find it difficult to accept any good points he has but come on. I don't get your Simeone example, are you trying to suggest it wasn't a great achievement?

No, he's managed in three different leagues, and managed the three clubs with whom it would be expected to win the league. With that being said, his real genius is actually shown in knockout ties against teams with at least similar(ish) resources.

I don't doubt that he's a good manager but I do think the managerial jobs he takes are ones with a loaded deck in his hand. And I think he's massively underachieved in the games that are actually contests in recent years

Take over at Brescia and win the league.

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comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 6 minutes ago
manutd1982 (U6633)

Winning a league title is not a special achievement, especially for Madrid who expect this every year. Simone has won it with Atletico ffs. You can't really give too much credit for something so expected of Madrid. They gave him a budget with endless zeros in it.
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They've only won one in the last 7 years though and that was under Jose

Winning the title against arguably the greatest club side ever is still a magnificent achievement even if the clubs main aim was the CL. Not winning a CL in 3 seasons should never be considered a failure at any club, even Real or Barca.

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But it's okay for Bayern. As they were managed by Pep

And it's a stupid standard seeing as they have won it 5 times in over 50 years.

comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 2 minutes ago
manutd1982 (U6633)

It is a failure for sides like Real. That's simply the standards.
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Really? Didn't they go from 2002 to 2014 without winning it? That's not just Mourinho.

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So you have no issue with the way Real sack managers on virtually a yearly basis because of a need to win the CL. Wasn't Jose also in charge longer than any Real manager since Del Bosque?

comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 2 minutes ago
Clockwork Red (U4892)

That was failure for them.. but Jose was removed as he failed.. that's their standard..it's the same for side like Everton.. getting 5th and an fa cup would be considered a good season but for Utd it's failure. Madrid's standards are high. Jose failed to deliver and was removed.
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Doesn't mean they're right to have those standards. Having high standards is important, of course, but there's a fine line between that and arrogance or delusion.

I don't doubt Pep is a very very good manager, he may even be the best in the world. My main question mark over him is that he's always had that loaded deck and certainly in recent years, he's failed in the games that really matter.

Jose has won things with huge underdogs but has also managed to dismantle positions of strength. It will be interesting.

And I think Melton probably has a point in terms of us benefiting in the immediate future, whilst City get their benefits a little later. Having said that, Melton is an idiot and very rarely gets anything right. He's far too unreasonable to even acknowledge this

OP,

It's not fear, just a general annoyance that the lowlife will be back to lower the tone with his overstated self-importance, pathetic conspiracy theories and excuses as to why they lost as well as his dull, cynical football.

Pep Guardiola at Man City on the other hand, that's about as close to fear as you can get for me. Far superior manager who's known to be able to make good players even better without all the childish siege mentality crap.

Not worried at all Ledley, good to see

"And I think Melton probably has a point in terms of us benefiting in the immediate future, whilst City get their benefits a little later. Having said that, Melton is an idiot and very rarely gets anything right. He's far too unreasonable to even acknowledge this "

Ha! Have you been speaking to my wife Merry? That sounds exactly like something she would say

Spurs are a good team nowadays, we've proven we can mix it with the best the league has to offer in the last couple of seasons.

Watching Barca right now and it's dawning on me that we could be playing them next season. Frightening.

comment by meltonblue (U10617)

posted 1 hour, 31 minutes ago

He didn't fail compared to his predecessor though, no one at Bayern thinks he has. You can only think that if you put an expectation of a CL win on a manager. His win percentage was the best in their history.

Barca, speak to their fans about which their best team was.
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Jupp Heynckes Matches 109 Wins 83 Draws 12 Losses 14
76.15% win percentage.
Pep Guardiola
Matches 161 Wins 121 Draws 21 Losses 19
75.16% win percentage.

Heynckes 2 seasons made CL finals back to back winning one while Guardiola didn't manage to make one.

I was talking about the league hafi.

Spurs are a good team with a good manager.

But a United team who only missed out on top 4 on goal difference under the incompetent LVG will be a threat under Jose, and we're certainly worthy of notice.