Anyone is better than Giroud to be honest. We create a lot of chances. Read somewhere its the most of any club in the premier league. That means an average plus striker will score more goals than Giroud. However with Pep at City, Conte at Chelsea and Mourinho at United we should be aiming higher than Morata. The problem is Premier league clubs don't have to sell. And Wenger's scouting network in Europe is rather average. Maybe Wenger will wait till the Euros are finished and pay the premium.
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I wouldnt say hes overated. Hes got Pace, Skill and can go past defenders which is something Giroud cannot do. Add the fact hes great in the air and is 6f2 he might just be a good fit for us.
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If he's being touted for crazy money, then he's overrated. He's pacy, tidy enough but not as skillful as you make out, and okayish in the air, not "great".
And Mandzukic is not "way better" than Giroud. He's not even better. I'd say they're similar level.
btw Dybala did have a pretty sh!te scoring record before he joined Juve
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Cos Dybala was a 20-year-old no.10 at the time in a small club who was just proving he could be a star striker. He's younger than Morata is now.
"we should be aiming higher than Morata. "
Like who?
No chance could even dream about Dybala and IMO Mario Mandzukic is way better than Giroud. The guy is actually a proven finisher. (Not that i want him now though)
Why on earth would you judge a player based on how much he costs?
Given the limited numbers of consumers/suppliers in the transfer market and the massive inequality in terms of economic power, as well as the numerous factors that contribute to a player's value, how much a players costs (or doesn't cost) is evidence of very little apart from how much two clubs were willing to buy/sell for.
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Pointless debating names. Because it was obvious last summer that Wenger should have bought Kondogbia and Aubameyang. I look at the flaws in the team more than names because I don't know who is available and for how much. Those two names were available last season.
So finally Wenger bought Xhaka to fill one need. Though I have to wonder why then did he buy El-Neny?.
The question is who is available now? Higuain works well with Ozil. But would be short term with Wenger's contract still in the air. Is Wenger going to admit a mistake by not signing him when Saurez move failed?
Lukaku knows the premier league. With Mourinho moving to Utd means they won't be going after him and Chelsea going back for him will make them look foolish. Safe bet cause he knows the premier league and has power/pace.
Lets just see Wenger sell Giroud before starting to speculate. We have needed a striker since we sold RVP. But Wenger has not moved from Giroud despite failure after failure. Every year we are linked to top players and are always left at the end end of the season thinking what if we had bought those players? In the recent past we have been we have been linked to Higuain, Suarez and Aubameyang. All 3 then go and have brilliant seasons and we are left cursing Wenger's dithering. What makes anyone think different this time?
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Been very busy lately, not been on here much. What or who is WWSPD?
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Oh I see. Not sure why he would take offence. Just stating facts backed up by our results. Can't believe there are any more Wenger acolytes left.
comment by See My Name (U3245)
posted 22 minutes ago
lacazette is a far better option
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Didn't he just have an awful season?
In fact I don't he even made the national side.
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Arsenal really should have signed Higuain 2 years ago.
comment by Koo Tee Neo (U9135)
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Arsenal really should have signed Higuain 2 years ago.
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Thats the main reason why we haven't won the league for over a decade now. David Dein did the buying before 2007. Its not a surprise that our most successful period was when he was the director of football.
Don’t always agree with Jenius99 but the failure to sign a CF undeniably cost us the league this season.
Of the forward’s mentioned I don’t think we had/have a chance of signing any of them – but there seemed to be no plan B.
Aubameyang will most likely go to Madrid (has made no secret of his desire to go there, and Zidane is believed to be an admirer).
See My Name
Unlike others – I don’t place myself in a camp. In that I realise it’s time for AW to move on. And probably should have after the last FA Cup win. But that’s not to say absolutely everything he ever does, or has done is wrong.
The ridiculous AKB/WOB acronyms are best left alone.
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As already mentioned on here, Real Madrid hold a buyback clause on him. Can't remember what the agreed price is, but Morata doesn't want to go back. Real Madrid would be looking to bring him back and then sell him on as they've done in the past (Negredo), so you'd be at Madrid's mercy
However, if a club holds a buyback clause, is there an agreed wage for the player. Could Morata theoretically turn round and reject any contract offer made by Real Madrid to avoid going back?
Wouldn't say he was worth that kind of fee anyway. Juve got Dybala for less and he outperformed him significantly. Morata works hard but doesn't get the goals you're looking for.
The thing is Madrid can't really sign Aubameyang unless they get rid of Benzema/Jese or both.
Benzema is still a very good player if you ignore his criminal antics. Zidane isn't going to sell Jese. He is a youth product and is loved more than Morata was with the fans.
In the past Madrid did some extremely dodgy dealings to sell their players to Italian clubs but the Spanish tax authorities are clamping down on that behaviour.
So just because Madrid have put out their usual feelers doesn't mean the deal is going to happen. Top premier league clubs now have greater buying power. And if does Spanish clubs have to let some of their players go.
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posted on 26/5/16
Anyone is better than Giroud to be honest. We create a lot of chances. Read somewhere its the most of any club in the premier league. That means an average plus striker will score more goals than Giroud. However with Pep at City, Conte at Chelsea and Mourinho at United we should be aiming higher than Morata. The problem is Premier league clubs don't have to sell. And Wenger's scouting network in Europe is rather average. Maybe Wenger will wait till the Euros are finished and pay the premium.
posted on 26/5/16
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posted on 26/5/16
I wouldnt say hes overated. Hes got Pace, Skill and can go past defenders which is something Giroud cannot do. Add the fact hes great in the air and is 6f2 he might just be a good fit for us.
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If he's being touted for crazy money, then he's overrated. He's pacy, tidy enough but not as skillful as you make out, and okayish in the air, not "great".
posted on 26/5/16
And Mandzukic is not "way better" than Giroud. He's not even better. I'd say they're similar level.
posted on 26/5/16
Very good player
posted on 26/5/16
btw Dybala did have a pretty sh!te scoring record before he joined Juve
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Cos Dybala was a 20-year-old no.10 at the time in a small club who was just proving he could be a star striker. He's younger than Morata is now.
posted on 26/5/16
"we should be aiming higher than Morata. "
Like who?
posted on 26/5/16
Aubameyang
posted on 26/5/16
No chance could even dream about Dybala and IMO Mario Mandzukic is way better than Giroud. The guy is actually a proven finisher. (Not that i want him now though)
posted on 26/5/16
Why on earth would you judge a player based on how much he costs?
Given the limited numbers of consumers/suppliers in the transfer market and the massive inequality in terms of economic power, as well as the numerous factors that contribute to a player's value, how much a players costs (or doesn't cost) is evidence of very little apart from how much two clubs were willing to buy/sell for.
posted on 26/5/16
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posted on 26/5/16
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posted on 26/5/16
Pointless debating names. Because it was obvious last summer that Wenger should have bought Kondogbia and Aubameyang. I look at the flaws in the team more than names because I don't know who is available and for how much. Those two names were available last season.
So finally Wenger bought Xhaka to fill one need. Though I have to wonder why then did he buy El-Neny?.
The question is who is available now? Higuain works well with Ozil. But would be short term with Wenger's contract still in the air. Is Wenger going to admit a mistake by not signing him when Saurez move failed?
Lukaku knows the premier league. With Mourinho moving to Utd means they won't be going after him and Chelsea going back for him will make them look foolish. Safe bet cause he knows the premier league and has power/pace.
Lets just see Wenger sell Giroud before starting to speculate. We have needed a striker since we sold RVP. But Wenger has not moved from Giroud despite failure after failure. Every year we are linked to top players and are always left at the end end of the season thinking what if we had bought those players? In the recent past we have been we have been linked to Higuain, Suarez and Aubameyang. All 3 then go and have brilliant seasons and we are left cursing Wenger's dithering. What makes anyone think different this time?
posted on 26/5/16
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posted on 26/5/16
Been very busy lately, not been on here much. What or who is WWSPD?
posted on 26/5/16
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posted on 26/5/16
Oh I see. Not sure why he would take offence. Just stating facts backed up by our results. Can't believe there are any more Wenger acolytes left.
posted on 26/5/16
comment by See My Name (U3245)
posted 22 minutes ago
lacazette is a far better option
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Didn't he just have an awful season?
In fact I don't he even made the national side.
posted on 26/5/16
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posted on 26/5/16
Arsenal really should have signed Higuain 2 years ago.
posted on 26/5/16
comment by Koo Tee Neo (U9135)
posted 5 minutes ago
Arsenal really should have signed Higuain 2 years ago.
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Thats the main reason why we haven't won the league for over a decade now. David Dein did the buying before 2007. Its not a surprise that our most successful period was when he was the director of football.
posted on 26/5/16
Don’t always agree with Jenius99 but the failure to sign a CF undeniably cost us the league this season.
Of the forward’s mentioned I don’t think we had/have a chance of signing any of them – but there seemed to be no plan B.
Aubameyang will most likely go to Madrid (has made no secret of his desire to go there, and Zidane is believed to be an admirer).
See My Name
Unlike others – I don’t place myself in a camp. In that I realise it’s time for AW to move on. And probably should have after the last FA Cup win. But that’s not to say absolutely everything he ever does, or has done is wrong.
The ridiculous AKB/WOB acronyms are best left alone.
posted on 26/5/16
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posted on 26/5/16
As already mentioned on here, Real Madrid hold a buyback clause on him. Can't remember what the agreed price is, but Morata doesn't want to go back. Real Madrid would be looking to bring him back and then sell him on as they've done in the past (Negredo), so you'd be at Madrid's mercy
However, if a club holds a buyback clause, is there an agreed wage for the player. Could Morata theoretically turn round and reject any contract offer made by Real Madrid to avoid going back?
Wouldn't say he was worth that kind of fee anyway. Juve got Dybala for less and he outperformed him significantly. Morata works hard but doesn't get the goals you're looking for.
posted on 26/5/16
The thing is Madrid can't really sign Aubameyang unless they get rid of Benzema/Jese or both.
Benzema is still a very good player if you ignore his criminal antics. Zidane isn't going to sell Jese. He is a youth product and is loved more than Morata was with the fans.
In the past Madrid did some extremely dodgy dealings to sell their players to Italian clubs but the Spanish tax authorities are clamping down on that behaviour.
So just because Madrid have put out their usual feelers doesn't mean the deal is going to happen. Top premier league clubs now have greater buying power. And if does Spanish clubs have to let some of their players go.
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