comment by Sideshow - Welcome to Chelsea Kante (U11809)
posted 6 minutes ago
Not everything is 100% democratic with our law making process anyway.
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Yup, so let's fix it. Starting with the corporations who have a hand in fixing laws so they can benefit. That should buy the royal family some time to pack there bags as well.
If we want to hand off powers to people, the public should at least have a say to who, like this current referendum.
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comment by Sideshow - Welcome to Chelsea Kante (U11809)
posted 16 minutes ago
Not everything is 100% democratic with our law making process anyway.
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The British law-making process is terribly undemocratic for a raft of reasons. It's not even consistent.
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I'm not a fan of any Tory**
you don't seem to know whether you are coming and going, stop smoking weed for a while!
you are backing tories on June 23rd with your vote, cameron, osborne etc
Yup, so let's fix it. Starting with the corporations who have a hand in fixing laws so they can benefit. That should buy the royal family some time to pack there bags as well.
**
the royal family are going nowhere you thinly veiled anti-british hater
Yup in we are democratically deciding that some things can be decided by all of Europe.**
Such as?
comment by rossobianchi - Vote Drizzle! (U17054)
posted 53 minutes ago
Jenius
Explain to us the difference of being ruled from Westminster and being ruled from Brussels please.
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Quite simply, democracy works best when its local. The EU commissioners are appointed bureaucrats who work towards a better union even if its a cost regional governments.
I won't even talk about the Euro but give you examples of trade instead. One where inaction costs the UK and one where action costs the UK. Take Chinese steel dumping. To get a consensus in EU to impose steel tariffs requires all countries to accept that cheap steel is bad. That means posing countries with large steel industries against countries who buy steel eg Germany and their auto industry against each other. Both will lobby hard and it will take a long time. By then of course most of the steel industry in those countries will be lost because of course direct state aid is illegal. By then jobs will be lost and workers will move onto industries. China will then put the price up. You can't then resurrect the steel industry because the start up costs will be too high. If UK had the power for state aid they can intervene in the market because they know China is not selling at market price but is instead fixing the market by selling below cost. That keeps industry going till China can't afford to dump anymore. Its far more complicated by I have tried to simplify that here to explain how its vital for countries to control their own industries.
Another example is how TTIP was negotiated behind most governments back that give the power to corporations to sue governments who protect their industries from market high jacking. For example the NHS. Now if the conservatives were negotiating that sort of deal, you bet they would lose the next election. Whats happens when EU bureaucrats are negotiating the deal? Who do you remove from what position exactly? Even though its a nasty treaty. If it hadn't been for the US election no one in the EU would be even know whats going on because its not negotiated with any one country but under an umbrella of secrecy in Brussels.
There are a myriad of cases where losing sovereign power really hurts every country. The fact is I believe the EU was good project 50 years ago after the second world war. But the world has globalised very fast and large trading blocks fighting against each other are old and hindrance to problems of the future. We need larger trade/political/policing bodies such as a reformed, empowered UN and bodies which act globally fast rather than concentrating on regional trading blocks. Just look at the botch job EU has done on Syrian, Libyan refugee problem. And I haven't mentioned immigration once!
Nice debate have to bow out now. Have a nice weekend.
comment by really? (U17250)
posted 15 seconds ago
Yup in we are democratically deciding that some things can be decided by all of Europe.**
Such as?
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Like trade.
The U.K. would struggle to get the same deals independently and that's a fact.
I would rather let the EU handle that.
The Royal family are a embarrassment, all the men are like identical twins apart from Harry
The sooner were shot of them the better, then we won't have any more shameful episodes in this country's history like Diana's funeral, what the rest of the world made of that God only knows
I see a lot of the big multi-nationals are predicting doom and gloom if we leave the EU.
I'm sure that all those tax loopholes that the likes of Google, Uber and Amazon exploit have nothing to do with it.
Even though I'm voting IN Jenius99 has put forward an actual argument that makes you think twice.
No scaremongering about immigrants which earns him an extra brownie point.
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comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 16 seconds ago
Even though I'm voting IN Jenius99 has put forward an actual argument that makes you think twice.
No scaremongering about immigrants which earns him an extra brownie point.
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His point about the steel industry is spot on, if the government stand back and watch and do nothing, the Chinese will just quadruple the price once they've cornered the market
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comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 16 seconds ago
Even though I'm voting IN Jenius99 has put forward an actual argument that makes you think twice.
No scaremongering about immigrants which earns him an extra brownie point.
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His point about the steel industry is spot on, if the government stand back and watch and do nothing, the Chinese will just quadruple the price once they've cornered the market
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The devolution/centralisation of trade controls has arguments for and against it.
More broadly, we know that geographical areas focussed and reliant on the success of a single or a couple of industries see more volatile growth patterns and are, of course, relatively high risk areas for investment.
One of the reasons that the US became the global economic powerhouse, is that it recognised the value of investing locally in the primary industries in the central states, finance industry in its large cities, agriculture in the north, tourism in the south and in coastal areas, etc, and setting policy protecting a balance between these industries at national level.
The EU, similarly, is in a position to set policy and funding initiatives protecting, cross-borders, its various sources of productivity.
The Chinese steel-dumping might not be good news for the British steel industry, as it wouldn't be for Pittsburgh. But it might be for Frankfurt, as it might be for Detroit.
There's an argument to say that outside the EU we might be able to impose tariffs to try to prop our ailing steel industry. There's another argument to say that like it or not, in a global marketplace, imposition of tariffs would be postponing the inevitable and might do more harm than good, and that any benefit we might see from Frankfurt's gain would be completely lost.
China, a monumentally large country representing an equally large number of culturally and socially discrete states, the United States of America, the United States of Brazil, the collective states and territories
... of Australia, and the incredibly diverse, multilingual, multicultural India are all doing pretty well with policy being set at national level.
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nice attempt at impartiality by the Sky political editor, he's getting his ar$e handed to him
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How does wanting to get rid of unelected set of parasites**
the EU?
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posted on 3/6/16
comment by Sideshow - Welcome to Chelsea Kante (U11809)
posted 6 minutes ago
Not everything is 100% democratic with our law making process anyway.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yup, so let's fix it. Starting with the corporations who have a hand in fixing laws so they can benefit. That should buy the royal family some time to pack there bags as well.
If we want to hand off powers to people, the public should at least have a say to who, like this current referendum.
posted on 3/6/16
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posted on 3/6/16
comment by Sideshow - Welcome to Chelsea Kante (U11809)
posted 16 minutes ago
Not everything is 100% democratic with our law making process anyway.
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The British law-making process is terribly undemocratic for a raft of reasons. It's not even consistent.
posted on 3/6/16
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posted on 3/6/16
I'm not a fan of any Tory**
you don't seem to know whether you are coming and going, stop smoking weed for a while!
you are backing tories on June 23rd with your vote, cameron, osborne etc
posted on 3/6/16
Yup, so let's fix it. Starting with the corporations who have a hand in fixing laws so they can benefit. That should buy the royal family some time to pack there bags as well.
**
the royal family are going nowhere you thinly veiled anti-british hater
posted on 3/6/16
Yup in we are democratically deciding that some things can be decided by all of Europe.**
Such as?
posted on 3/6/16
comment by rossobianchi - Vote Drizzle! (U17054)
posted 53 minutes ago
Jenius
Explain to us the difference of being ruled from Westminster and being ruled from Brussels please.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Quite simply, democracy works best when its local. The EU commissioners are appointed bureaucrats who work towards a better union even if its a cost regional governments.
I won't even talk about the Euro but give you examples of trade instead. One where inaction costs the UK and one where action costs the UK. Take Chinese steel dumping. To get a consensus in EU to impose steel tariffs requires all countries to accept that cheap steel is bad. That means posing countries with large steel industries against countries who buy steel eg Germany and their auto industry against each other. Both will lobby hard and it will take a long time. By then of course most of the steel industry in those countries will be lost because of course direct state aid is illegal. By then jobs will be lost and workers will move onto industries. China will then put the price up. You can't then resurrect the steel industry because the start up costs will be too high. If UK had the power for state aid they can intervene in the market because they know China is not selling at market price but is instead fixing the market by selling below cost. That keeps industry going till China can't afford to dump anymore. Its far more complicated by I have tried to simplify that here to explain how its vital for countries to control their own industries.
Another example is how TTIP was negotiated behind most governments back that give the power to corporations to sue governments who protect their industries from market high jacking. For example the NHS. Now if the conservatives were negotiating that sort of deal, you bet they would lose the next election. Whats happens when EU bureaucrats are negotiating the deal? Who do you remove from what position exactly? Even though its a nasty treaty. If it hadn't been for the US election no one in the EU would be even know whats going on because its not negotiated with any one country but under an umbrella of secrecy in Brussels.
There are a myriad of cases where losing sovereign power really hurts every country. The fact is I believe the EU was good project 50 years ago after the second world war. But the world has globalised very fast and large trading blocks fighting against each other are old and hindrance to problems of the future. We need larger trade/political/policing bodies such as a reformed, empowered UN and bodies which act globally fast rather than concentrating on regional trading blocks. Just look at the botch job EU has done on Syrian, Libyan refugee problem. And I haven't mentioned immigration once!
Nice debate have to bow out now. Have a nice weekend.
posted on 3/6/16
comment by really? (U17250)
posted 15 seconds ago
Yup in we are democratically deciding that some things can be decided by all of Europe.**
Such as?
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Like trade.
The U.K. would struggle to get the same deals independently and that's a fact.
I would rather let the EU handle that.
posted on 3/6/16
The Royal family are a embarrassment, all the men are like identical twins apart from Harry
The sooner were shot of them the better, then we won't have any more shameful episodes in this country's history like Diana's funeral, what the rest of the world made of that God only knows
posted on 3/6/16
I see a lot of the big multi-nationals are predicting doom and gloom if we leave the EU.
I'm sure that all those tax loopholes that the likes of Google, Uber and Amazon exploit have nothing to do with it.
posted on 3/6/16
Even though I'm voting IN Jenius99 has put forward an actual argument that makes you think twice.
No scaremongering about immigrants which earns him an extra brownie point.
posted on 3/6/16
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posted on 3/6/16
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 16 seconds ago
Even though I'm voting IN Jenius99 has put forward an actual argument that makes you think twice.
No scaremongering about immigrants which earns him an extra brownie point.
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His point about the steel industry is spot on, if the government stand back and watch and do nothing, the Chinese will just quadruple the price once they've cornered the market
posted on 3/6/16
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posted on 3/6/16
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posted on 3/6/16
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posted on 3/6/16
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posted on 3/6/16
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 16 seconds ago
Even though I'm voting IN Jenius99 has put forward an actual argument that makes you think twice.
No scaremongering about immigrants which earns him an extra brownie point.
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His point about the steel industry is spot on, if the government stand back and watch and do nothing, the Chinese will just quadruple the price once they've cornered the market
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The devolution/centralisation of trade controls has arguments for and against it.
More broadly, we know that geographical areas focussed and reliant on the success of a single or a couple of industries see more volatile growth patterns and are, of course, relatively high risk areas for investment.
One of the reasons that the US became the global economic powerhouse, is that it recognised the value of investing locally in the primary industries in the central states, finance industry in its large cities, agriculture in the north, tourism in the south and in coastal areas, etc, and setting policy protecting a balance between these industries at national level.
The EU, similarly, is in a position to set policy and funding initiatives protecting, cross-borders, its various sources of productivity.
The Chinese steel-dumping might not be good news for the British steel industry, as it wouldn't be for Pittsburgh. But it might be for Frankfurt, as it might be for Detroit.
There's an argument to say that outside the EU we might be able to impose tariffs to try to prop our ailing steel industry. There's another argument to say that like it or not, in a global marketplace, imposition of tariffs would be postponing the inevitable and might do more harm than good, and that any benefit we might see from Frankfurt's gain would be completely lost.
China, a monumentally large country representing an equally large number of culturally and socially discrete states, the United States of America, the United States of Brazil, the collective states and territories
posted on 3/6/16
... of Australia, and the incredibly diverse, multilingual, multicultural India are all doing pretty well with policy being set at national level.
posted on 3/6/16
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posted on 3/6/16
nice attempt at impartiality by the Sky political editor, he's getting his ar$e handed to him
posted on 3/6/16
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posted on 3/6/16
How does wanting to get rid of unelected set of parasites**
the EU?
posted on 3/6/16
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