It is 100% up to UEFA to decide and there is no "jurisdiction" to take into account.

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I was going to ask what difference being inside the stadium to outside the stadium makes. It shouldn't make any what so ever.

1982

Read the comment from the BBC that I posted on the first page.

I suspect that the Russian FA will now be taking this very seriously, unless they want to find themselves disappearing somewhere in Siberia.

comment by NotSoMagicJuande (U1913)
posted 2 minutes ago
What is the precedent with points if a team is kicked out?

Let's say they kick off again against Slovakia, what happens to the Wales game?

It would be a hell of a mess.
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There's an awful lack of detail from what I've seen so far.

UEFA were very specific about the sanctions they placed on Russia during Euro 2012.

It was a suspended 6-point deduction that would expire at the end of the Euro 2016 qualification playoffs.

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 54 seconds ago
It is 100% up to UEFA to decide and there is no "jurisdiction" to take into account.

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I was going to ask what difference being inside the stadium to outside the stadium makes. It shouldn't make any what so ever.
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Of course it shouldn't, it's a UEFA organised tournament.

I would imagine when the awarding of the tournament, agreement is reached as to who pays for what, what boundaries are drawn between UEFA and the French authorities, who is responsible for what. France's economy is the main beneficiary of hosting the tourney, it's their police force that said they can police it.

VC

It's nice to hear but saying one thing and sending over a neonasi sympathiser as one of your officials to me shows a country who don't actually really care and are probably just saying things publicly to sound like they do.

This is Russia we are talking about, the country is a mess.

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 4 minutes ago
It is 100% up to UEFA to decide and there is no "jurisdiction" to take into account.

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I was going to ask what difference being inside the stadium to outside the stadium makes. It shouldn't make any what so ever.
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It doesn't

If Russian fans gunned down 100s of England fans in a city centre square, it is laughable to think that UEFA's hands would be tied.

It is unprecedented to disqualify fans for their actions outside the ground, but it is in no way impossible for it to happen due to some jurisdiction. Davis was as clear as day about this... They are clearly very concerned as more trouble outside the ground is almost a certainty.

What was worrying about the horrible go pro video I saw was that during the whole thing there was hardly any police anywhere. The Russians basically had free reign to beat the sh-t out of anyone they liked.

Indeed 1982, but you have to bear in mind that Putin wants the World Cup, and if they end up getting thrown out of the Euro's, FIFA really will have to take action.

UEFA banned all English clubs from European football, clearly not all English clubs were accountable for action inside a stadium. So a precedent is there, just not in international football (yet).

comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - where my muthaf'king dominoes at (U2958)


If Russian fans gunned down 100s of England fans in a city centre square, it is laughable to think that UEFA's hands would be tied.

It is unprecedented to disqualify fans for their actions outside the ground, but it is in no way impossible for it to happen due to some jurisdiction.

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I agree.

I think they are bottling it. They could kick them out but they won't because of the bigger ramifications, including:

- They probably have no idea what it would do for points / the group / qualification

- They would then have to recommend to FIFA that the WC 2018 is reviewed, which will lead to a massive shiiitstorm

- The wider political background of Europe making enemies with Russia.

So this is the cop out approach - suspend the sentence; increase the security at the game to make sure that there is no more trouble and they aren't forced to act; and leave outside the ground actions well alone.

Not saying I blame them, but it's a cop out.

But FIFA won't take the WC from Russia, look at all the sh-t that's happening in Dubai and they don't care.

UEFA can ban anyone they like, for whatever infraction inside or outside the stadium.

Historically they've only been concerned with what happens in the stadium, but there's nothing stopping them from doing as they wish.

comment by manutd1982 (U6633)

posted 5 minutes ago

But FIFA won't take the WC from Russia, look at all the sh-t that's happening in Dubai and they don't care.

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New regime there now 1982. Time will tell.

So for arguments sake should England also be kicked out for the trouble they cause outside stadiums?

comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 0 seconds ago
So for arguments sake should England also be kicked out for the trouble they cause outside stadiums?
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should then scotland be kicked out because of the behaviour of some of their fans? oh, sorry...

1 flare being let off by 1 idiot in the fans (even a sneaky England fan in their end ) could see their national team disqualified.
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I very much doubt it. UEFA don't have the cojones to take action unless the violence is so bad that they are left with no choice. A few minor incidents won't lead to any action at all.

As others have said, it will more likely all happen outside the grounds anyway.

comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
So for arguments sake should England also be kicked out for the trouble they cause outside stadiums?
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This tournament, probably not... I'm sure not every English fan there is a saint, but what the Russians (and French ultras) were doing is a bit different to drunken idiots having a swedge.

There have been tournaments in the past that they maybe should have though... France 98 was pretty disgusting.

1 flare being let off by 1 idiot in the fans (even a sneaky England fan in their end ) could see their national team disqualified.
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Except that isn't the full story. That one flare was a signal to climb the fence and go into the England end, forcing England fans to head for the exists.

What waiting England fans at the exits? more Russian fans.

It's lucky more weren't involved because this could have been Heysel all over again. To pass it off as just a flare is ignorant.

Think he means in the next two games.

comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 minute ago
1 flare being let off by 1 idiot in the fans (even a sneaky England fan in their end ) could see their national team disqualified.
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Except that isn't the full story. That one flare was a signal to climb the fence and go into the England end, forcing England fans to head for the exists.

What waiting England fans at the exits? more Russian fans.

It's lucky more weren't involved because this could have been Heysel all over again. To pass it off as just a flare is ignorant.
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Read one line of a whole post and come back with that reply?

Completely not the point I made, even then the remark about the flare was tongue in cheek given the face.

comment by United_Mike (U1170)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 minute ago
1 flare being let off by 1 idiot in the fans (even a sneaky England fan in their end ) could see their national team disqualified.
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Except that isn't the full story. That one flare was a signal to climb the fence and go into the England end, forcing England fans to head for the exists.

What waiting England fans at the exits? more Russian fans.

It's lucky more weren't involved because this could have been Heysel all over again. To pass it off as just a flare is ignorant.
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Read one line of a whole post and come back with that reply?

Completely not the point I made, even then the remark about the flare was tongue in cheek given theface.
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I couldn't find the comment

Fair enough.

I was talking in respect of what 'could' be the repercussions of a single flare being let off, in their next game, rather than referring to the past events as 'just a flare'.

Hopefully Slovakia and Wales beat them and they#ll be gone by this time next week.

comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 3 minutes ago
Hopefully Slovakia and Wales beat them and they#ll be gone by this time next week.
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Will the hooligans actually follow the team back home though?

I'm concerned that they might keep targeting us, regardless.

Won't deter them. These people would much rather they get to kick the shīt out of Brits than see Russia lift the trophy.