England are in a bit of a delicate situation.
Yeah we "outplayed" these teams, but I feel if we try and do that against the better teams, they will cut us open.
We don't quite have the cutting edge to outplay the top teams or break down the inferior ones. The 3 goals we scored were all quite lucky.
We could always adopt the Leicester approach from last season. But again, don't think we're quite good enough for that either.
Hart
Clyne/Walker(depending on opposition)
Smalling
Cahill
Rose
Dier
Henderson, Wilshere
Rooney
Sturridge
Kane
Henderson
Liverpool fans.
comment by whoskissingcamerasinoz (U1703)
posted 14 minutes ago
Henderson
Liverpool fans.
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Played well tonight but still isn't good enough for our XI. Didn't play as well as Rooney, who is also crap, in the first two games.
Rooney needs to be sent home. He offers nothing.
Hendo man marked Hamsik for 90 mins and he couldn't even do anything in his own half other than pass backwards.
Rooney's done. He shouldn't eve be a sub anymore.
Rooney was England's best player in the first two games. Henderson and Wilshere both are lacking fitness so it was good for England to have Rooney perform in those two games.
I can't understand what it is opposition fans don't like about Henderson. He's fairly quick, presses well, excellent passer long and short, box to box, breaks up play, wins balls in the air and barely loses the ball. Ok he isn't going to score loads of goals but there are other players for that. Just can't understand what it is.
Can we really judge? Kind of depends on your expectations.
Spain would probably have won all 3 games. So would Germany.
If you have realistic expectations for England, then no no judgement necessary. I would still expect a QF defeat against the first top level opponent.
If you expected England to win the tournament - I would say judging from the first 3 games, yes you can judge that it is not likely. Any team that wants to win this tournament should be beating winning this group, buses or no buses.
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 2 hours ago
Hart
Clyne/Walker(depending on opposition)
Smalling
Cahill
Rose
Dier
Henderson, Wilshere
Rooney
Sturridge
Kane
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How can you possibly justify selecting Jordan Henderson and Jack Wilshere? Are you playing on your PlayStation again?
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
I can't understand what it is opposition fans don't like about Henderson. He's fairly quick, presses well, excellent passer long and short, box to box, breaks up play, wins balls in the air and barely loses the ball. Ok he isn't going to score loads of goals but there are other players for that. Just can't understand what it is.
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It's because he's crap at this level. He is vastly overrated. Now do you understand?
Walker and Kane will be definitely 100 per cent starters.
Why will Kane be definite? He's been $hit and also wastes set pieces.
spat out my cornflakes. what are you people on??? Clyne??? 'Hendo'??? Wilshere??
You do remember you finished 8th and now you want 4 starters for England
I'd rather have a half cut Rooney than 'Hendo'
comment by sandy, senior citizen, but young at heart (U20567)
posted 57 minutes ago
Walker and Kane will be definitely 100 per cent starters.
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Clyne is miles better than Walker.
Happy to keep Rose though
That's why he's sub then.
comment by aries22 (U1203)
posted 3 hours, 30 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
I can't understand what it is opposition fans don't like about Henderson. He's fairly quick, presses well, excellent passer long and short, box to box, breaks up play, wins balls in the air and barely loses the ball. Ok he isn't going to score loads of goals but there are other players for that. Just can't understand what it is.
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It's because he's crap at this level. He is vastly overrated. Now do you understand?
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You haven't actually given any reasons at all. You've just given your overall opinion (crap at this level) and that you believe him to be over-rated against an undefined benchmark. Albeit one in which nobody seems to rate him.
I'm guessing you either didn't understand the question or don't actually know why you don't rate him.
The biggest disappointment has been our set pieces.
Spain had trouble breaking down Czech Republic but won it on a set piece.
Ours have been awful, no matter who is taking them, and even when we have put a decent ball in we haven't looked positive attacking the ball.
Set pieces usually play an even bigger role in the knockout stages, and we will suffer if we don't find a way to score from them.
I think we have played well in spells. Second half against Wales, First half against Russia, and first hour yesterday.
We have created good scoring chances in every game, we have wasted chances though. Lallana has had about 4 good half/chances and to score none isn't good enough.
Vardy chance yesterday has to go in. Sturridge chance (why didn't he head it?) has to go in.
In general play we are looking dangerous and down the right especially we have been very good all tournament, probably the most effective right side in the competition, continually getting in behind the opposition. We haven't converted that into goals though.
We will get knocked out quickly if we miss these kinds of chances in future games.
Pegguy Arphexad
Why will Kane be definite?
Because he is England`s best striker, and certainly no worse than both Sturridge and Vardy.
Into the Sunset, or into the Abyss I'm always cruising baby (Formerly Oscar). Team Fury, July 9th we go again! Haven 2015/16 H2H League Winner
comment by sandy, senior citizen, but young at heart (U20567)
posted 57 minutes ago
Walker and Kane will be definitely 100 per cent starters.
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Clyne is miles better than Walker.
No he is not. Walker will start 100 per cent.
We have the best strikers at the tournament and can't put the ball in the net.
That tells you all you need to know about our manager.
comment by selbstgerechtein (U7048)
posted 3 minutes ago
The biggest disappointment has been our set pieces.
Spain had trouble breaking down Czech Republic but won it on a set piece.
Ours have been awful, no matter who is taking them, and even when we have put a decent ball in we haven't looked positive attacking the ball.
Set pieces usually play an even bigger role in the knockout stages, and we will suffer if we don't find a way to score from them.
I think we have played well in spells. Second half against Wales, First half against Russia, and first hour yesterday.
We have created good scoring chances in every game, we have wasted chances though. Lallana has had about 4 good half/chances and to score none isn't good enough.
Vardy chance yesterday has to go in. Sturridge chance (why didn't he head it?) has to go in.
In general play we are looking dangerous and down the right especially we have been very good all tournament, probably the most effective right side in the competition, continually getting in behind the opposition. We haven't converted that into goals though.
We will get knocked out quickly if we miss these kinds of chances in future games.
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Completely agree with this. We seems to be so keen to beat the first man (something we seem to struggle with) that we just put floated crosses in. You might get someone meeting one perfectly but the majority of the time they'll be dealt with easily by international defenders. Corners are pretty meaningless to us right now and that's a huge disappointment.
The substitutions have also disappointed me a bit. Roy made positive early moves against Wales but with Russia and Slovakia, I'm not 100% sure what he was trying to do. Slovakia were so deep that Vardy's pace was totally nullified but he stayed on as main striker, it seemed, whilst Kane roamed a bit more. Sturridge had looked pretty dangerous, has very quick feet and is capable of magic moments but he went off. Get him in the box and as we've seen at Liverpool countless times defenders dive in at him, better option than Vardy at that stage imo.
Alli, Rooney - both good players but if anything our subs seemed to disrupt our rhythm.
I've had a bit of an issue with Lallana's stamina for a while but if he can't last more than 60 mins in a game, should he be starting? Just removes an option from the bench every game.
To be honest, nothing I've seen has really changed my view on England - we're decent without real standout quality and will probably go out to the first decent team we meet. From the draw that's looking like France in the quarters.
Rooney is better than Henderson in midfield though and he's not even a midfielder. Your captain is an utter fake.
You do realise that next round we will be playing either Portugal Iceland Austria or Hungary - All teams that are capable of parking the bus successfully.
I'm struggling to see anything other than a penalty shootout defeat next round
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posted on 21/6/16
England are in a bit of a delicate situation.
Yeah we "outplayed" these teams, but I feel if we try and do that against the better teams, they will cut us open.
We don't quite have the cutting edge to outplay the top teams or break down the inferior ones. The 3 goals we scored were all quite lucky.
We could always adopt the Leicester approach from last season. But again, don't think we're quite good enough for that either.
posted on 21/6/16
Hart
Clyne/Walker(depending on opposition)
Smalling
Cahill
Rose
Dier
Henderson, Wilshere
Rooney
Sturridge
Kane
posted on 21/6/16
Henderson
Liverpool fans.
posted on 21/6/16
comment by whoskissingcamerasinoz (U1703)
posted 14 minutes ago
Henderson
Liverpool fans.
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posted on 21/6/16
Played well tonight but still isn't good enough for our XI. Didn't play as well as Rooney, who is also crap, in the first two games.
posted on 21/6/16
Rooney needs to be sent home. He offers nothing.
Hendo man marked Hamsik for 90 mins and he couldn't even do anything in his own half other than pass backwards.
Rooney's done. He shouldn't eve be a sub anymore.
posted on 21/6/16
Rooney was England's best player in the first two games. Henderson and Wilshere both are lacking fitness so it was good for England to have Rooney perform in those two games.
posted on 21/6/16
I can't understand what it is opposition fans don't like about Henderson. He's fairly quick, presses well, excellent passer long and short, box to box, breaks up play, wins balls in the air and barely loses the ball. Ok he isn't going to score loads of goals but there are other players for that. Just can't understand what it is.
posted on 21/6/16
Can we really judge? Kind of depends on your expectations.
Spain would probably have won all 3 games. So would Germany.
If you have realistic expectations for England, then no no judgement necessary. I would still expect a QF defeat against the first top level opponent.
If you expected England to win the tournament - I would say judging from the first 3 games, yes you can judge that it is not likely. Any team that wants to win this tournament should be beating winning this group, buses or no buses.
posted on 21/6/16
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 2 hours ago
Hart
Clyne/Walker(depending on opposition)
Smalling
Cahill
Rose
Dier
Henderson, Wilshere
Rooney
Sturridge
Kane
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How can you possibly justify selecting Jordan Henderson and Jack Wilshere? Are you playing on your PlayStation again?
posted on 21/6/16
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
I can't understand what it is opposition fans don't like about Henderson. He's fairly quick, presses well, excellent passer long and short, box to box, breaks up play, wins balls in the air and barely loses the ball. Ok he isn't going to score loads of goals but there are other players for that. Just can't understand what it is.
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It's because he's crap at this level. He is vastly overrated. Now do you understand?
posted on 21/6/16
Walker and Kane will be definitely 100 per cent starters.
posted on 21/6/16
Why will Kane be definite? He's been $hit and also wastes set pieces.
posted on 21/6/16
spat out my cornflakes. what are you people on??? Clyne??? 'Hendo'??? Wilshere??
You do remember you finished 8th and now you want 4 starters for England
posted on 21/6/16
I'd rather have a half cut Rooney than 'Hendo'
posted on 21/6/16
comment by sandy, senior citizen, but young at heart (U20567)
posted 57 minutes ago
Walker and Kane will be definitely 100 per cent starters.
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Clyne is miles better than Walker.
Happy to keep Rose though
posted on 21/6/16
That's why he's sub then.
posted on 21/6/16
comment by aries22 (U1203)
posted 3 hours, 30 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
I can't understand what it is opposition fans don't like about Henderson. He's fairly quick, presses well, excellent passer long and short, box to box, breaks up play, wins balls in the air and barely loses the ball. Ok he isn't going to score loads of goals but there are other players for that. Just can't understand what it is.
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It's because he's crap at this level. He is vastly overrated. Now do you understand?
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You haven't actually given any reasons at all. You've just given your overall opinion (crap at this level) and that you believe him to be over-rated against an undefined benchmark. Albeit one in which nobody seems to rate him.
I'm guessing you either didn't understand the question or don't actually know why you don't rate him.
posted on 21/6/16
The biggest disappointment has been our set pieces.
Spain had trouble breaking down Czech Republic but won it on a set piece.
Ours have been awful, no matter who is taking them, and even when we have put a decent ball in we haven't looked positive attacking the ball.
Set pieces usually play an even bigger role in the knockout stages, and we will suffer if we don't find a way to score from them.
I think we have played well in spells. Second half against Wales, First half against Russia, and first hour yesterday.
We have created good scoring chances in every game, we have wasted chances though. Lallana has had about 4 good half/chances and to score none isn't good enough.
Vardy chance yesterday has to go in. Sturridge chance (why didn't he head it?) has to go in.
In general play we are looking dangerous and down the right especially we have been very good all tournament, probably the most effective right side in the competition, continually getting in behind the opposition. We haven't converted that into goals though.
We will get knocked out quickly if we miss these kinds of chances in future games.
posted on 21/6/16
Pegguy Arphexad
Why will Kane be definite?
Because he is England`s best striker, and certainly no worse than both Sturridge and Vardy.
posted on 21/6/16
Into the Sunset, or into the Abyss I'm always cruising baby (Formerly Oscar). Team Fury, July 9th we go again! Haven 2015/16 H2H League Winner
comment by sandy, senior citizen, but young at heart (U20567)
posted 57 minutes ago
Walker and Kane will be definitely 100 per cent starters.
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Clyne is miles better than Walker.
No he is not. Walker will start 100 per cent.
posted on 21/6/16
We have the best strikers at the tournament and can't put the ball in the net.
That tells you all you need to know about our manager.
posted on 21/6/16
comment by selbstgerechtein (U7048)
posted 3 minutes ago
The biggest disappointment has been our set pieces.
Spain had trouble breaking down Czech Republic but won it on a set piece.
Ours have been awful, no matter who is taking them, and even when we have put a decent ball in we haven't looked positive attacking the ball.
Set pieces usually play an even bigger role in the knockout stages, and we will suffer if we don't find a way to score from them.
I think we have played well in spells. Second half against Wales, First half against Russia, and first hour yesterday.
We have created good scoring chances in every game, we have wasted chances though. Lallana has had about 4 good half/chances and to score none isn't good enough.
Vardy chance yesterday has to go in. Sturridge chance (why didn't he head it?) has to go in.
In general play we are looking dangerous and down the right especially we have been very good all tournament, probably the most effective right side in the competition, continually getting in behind the opposition. We haven't converted that into goals though.
We will get knocked out quickly if we miss these kinds of chances in future games.
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Completely agree with this. We seems to be so keen to beat the first man (something we seem to struggle with) that we just put floated crosses in. You might get someone meeting one perfectly but the majority of the time they'll be dealt with easily by international defenders. Corners are pretty meaningless to us right now and that's a huge disappointment.
The substitutions have also disappointed me a bit. Roy made positive early moves against Wales but with Russia and Slovakia, I'm not 100% sure what he was trying to do. Slovakia were so deep that Vardy's pace was totally nullified but he stayed on as main striker, it seemed, whilst Kane roamed a bit more. Sturridge had looked pretty dangerous, has very quick feet and is capable of magic moments but he went off. Get him in the box and as we've seen at Liverpool countless times defenders dive in at him, better option than Vardy at that stage imo.
Alli, Rooney - both good players but if anything our subs seemed to disrupt our rhythm.
I've had a bit of an issue with Lallana's stamina for a while but if he can't last more than 60 mins in a game, should he be starting? Just removes an option from the bench every game.
To be honest, nothing I've seen has really changed my view on England - we're decent without real standout quality and will probably go out to the first decent team we meet. From the draw that's looking like France in the quarters.
posted on 21/6/16
Rooney is better than Henderson in midfield though and he's not even a midfielder. Your captain is an utter fake.
posted on 21/6/16
You do realise that next round we will be playing either Portugal Iceland Austria or Hungary - All teams that are capable of parking the bus successfully.
I'm struggling to see anything other than a penalty shootout defeat next round
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