comment by (Kash) Coutinho Right Foot Curler - Justice4Gaza (U1108)
posted 4 minutes ago
Typical club bias coming in to play. Most pundits said he was impressive yesterday. He carried the attack from midfield and linked well with England's best player Clyne. He also had the important job of marking Hamsik and basically had him in his back pocket.
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The same pundits that try to make out Rooney is the future of England's midfield.
You talk about club bias then mention pundits, who of course have no bias whatsoever.
Henderson shouldn't be anywhere near the England team.
comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by (Kash) Coutinho Right Foot Curler - Justice4Gaza (U1108)
posted 4 minutes ago
Typical club bias coming in to play. Most pundits said he was impressive yesterday. He carried the attack from midfield and linked well with England's best player Clyne. He also had the important job of marking Hamsik and basically had him in his back pocket.
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The same pundits that try to make out Rooney is the future of England's midfield.
You talk about club bias then mention pundits, who of course have no bias whatsoever.
Henderson shouldn't be anywhere near the England team.
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Rooney was good in midfield first 2 games so deserved the praise. No idea why Roy put him forward again last night.
Whether you like it or not Henderson played well last night. His corners were poor but his general play and forward thinking ensured that England pressed high and con trolled the game.
Good, when measured against a central midfield that has a very unfit whilshere and who else in the middle who's top class.
It's a sad state of affairs where a striker well past his best is the future of the England midfield.
Danny Drinkwater is the one I feel sorry for, left out for an unfit whilshere and a shoehorned Wayne Rooney.
I'm no England fan but genuinely want THIS England team to do well, think you have some cracking attacking players that haven't received the hype of the previous generation but...
Henderson and Wilshire were pretty awful last night, Jack was caught in possession too often and a better team would have punished you for his errors and Henderson couldn't pass wind and his crossing and corners were woeful.
Henderson played well
What are you smoking and how much does it cost.
You talk about club bias then mention pundits, who of course have no bias whatsoever
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Why would the likes of Bilic, Lineker, Dixon, Wright be biased towards Liverpool?
You are utterly clueless.
At the moment you are unable to prove how bad he was. Already acknowledged his 3 dead ball's were crap.
I have proved:
- he marked Hamsik out of the game
- pressed high
- linked well with Clyne which lead to England opportunities
- created a guilt edge chance for Allison
- good forward quick padding
- had one good effort which was blocked but was on target to test keeper
Let me know when you can come back with some actual facts
comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 8 minutes ago
Henderson played well
What are you smoking and how much does it cost.
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Didn't Henderson play the pass that put Vardy clean through? Didn't he also put in the cross to Alli at the far post. He also had a shot that would be gone in had one of their 10 defenders not got in the way.
Henderson was involved in all 3 of our best chances of scoring yet didn't play well. Ok then.
Yeah why would Dixon Wright and lineaker be biased to England players.
It's you that's clueless pal.
I think it was more that game really didn't need both Henderson and Dier.
Lineker criticises England players all the time you melt
Wow you are a special one.
I find Henderson very frustrating. He can deliver a decent pass as was shown when he picked out Vardy first half and Alli second, but nearly every other cross or corner was woeful. No more than a 5 from me but there weren't many players in the second half would score any better.
Clyne had a decent game and don't think Walker would could have done much better. Bertrand had little to do but what he did he did violently and was perhaps a tad lucky not to be sent off.
Wlishere looked completely off the pace, which was a shame because on his day I think he is our best midfielder.
The rest - all pretty average and lacking the spark to break down the massed Slovakian defence.
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 3 minutes ago
I think it was more that game really didn't need both Henderson and Dier.
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This is where Woy is inept. It was obvious Slovakia were not going to try and get out if their half & the middle of the park, particularly around their 18 yard line. So he should've either taken Wilshere off & pushed Dier further forward, if he can play a more traditional CM role, or taken Dier off. Hopefully Slovakia would've seen this and been tempted to come out of their half.
comment by (Kash) Coutinho Right Foot Curler - Justice4Gaza (U1108)
posted 6 minutes ago
At the moment you are unable to prove how bad he was. Already acknowledged his 3 dead ball's were crap.
I have proved:
- he marked Hamsik out of the game
- pressed high
- linked well with Clyne which lead to England opportunities
- created a guilt edge chance for Allison
- good forward quick padding
- had one good effort which was blocked but was on target to test keeper
Let me know when you can come back with some actual facts
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His first touch was appalling, he passed sideways (see 94th minute as perfect example) constantly, cant shoot, and when he did move forward the Slovaks exploited the gap he left because he coukdnt stick to his position. The only thing he did ok yday was link up with clyne who i thought had a solid game.
What has the last three games told me? Sterling, Lalana , henderson , wilshere are all poor. Drinkwater townsend, Walcott but to name a couple should have gine.
comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 39 minutes ago
Why mud we have enough sideways and backwards passing players.
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Indeed, which is why Carrick should be there as he offers way more as you guys found out when we played you
Firstly you have named 3. That's not a couple.
Secondly if you really think those are better than the players currently playing then you need help.
comment by Clever - son son son - 'The Special One' (U18599)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by (Kash) Coutinho Right Foot Curler - Justice4Gaza (U1108)
posted 6 minutes ago
At the moment you are unable to prove how bad he was. Already acknowledged his 3 dead ball's were crap.
I have proved:
- he marked Hamsik out of the game
- pressed high
- linked well with Clyne which lead to England opportunities
- created a guilt edge chance for Allison
- good forward quick padding
- had one good effort which was blocked but was on target to test keeper
Let me know when you can come back with some actual facts
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His first touch was appalling, he passed sideways (see 94th minute as perfect example) constantly, cant shoot, and when he did move forward the Slovaks exploited the gap he left because he coukdnt stick to his position. The only thing he did ok yday was link up with clyne who i thought had a solid game.
What has the last three games told me? Sterling, Lalana , henderson , wilshere are all poor. Drinkwater townsend, Walcott but to name a couple should have gine.
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Walcott
Have you watched him at all this season?? Even the Arsenal fans who ridiculously overhype there players think he is a complete waste of space. I would have taken someone like Marc albrighton long before getting to Walcott.
And whoever said wilshere was okay further up this thread obviously didn't watch the match.
I actually thought he was our best midfielder last night, played a lot of good balls forward. Dier had little to do, Wilshere wasn't doing much, Alli was lively while Rooney was awful.
Hendo was good in the first half. Average in the second but in the first he was the one playing all the forward passes.
He played 4 or 5 excellent through balls in the first half. I wouldn't have taken him to the tournament due to the fact he's barely played all season but the slaughtering he's been getting for the match last night is absurd.
Tiddles
Agreed, him along with Lallana and Clyne were our most positive outlet last night for me. I've said all along that Drinkwater deserved a spot in the squad and while Henderson hasn't had a good season, when he is fit and in form he can be a useful player, often supplying a lot of dangerous balls from deep.
Agreed 1982. I still wouldn't have taken either him or wilshere though, purely because neither has played enough football to be sharp enough to take England deep into the tournament.
Think it showed last night that both were spent by half time. I just don't get the hate on hendo, it's not even just because he's a Liverpool player because studge was average last night yet no one has said anything about him.
It's simply because he's "horrendouson".
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 50 minutes ago
comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 39 minutes ago
Why mud we have enough sideways and backwards passing players.
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Indeed, which is why Carrick should be there as he offers way more as you guys found out when we played you
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Ah yes that one game he showed up.
The carrick that United fans were calling the crab and saying should be dropped not too long ago.
Can't believe some of the slating Hendo's got on here compared to the rest of the midfield. Wilshere looked off the pace, Rooney found touch more often than a red shirts and Dier didn't have anything to do after about 35 minutes. Alli was lively but it was too little too late against a 9-man defence. Lallana whilst lively is truly deserving of the clichéd "jigsaw" nickname - he just goes to pieces in the box.
Hodgson got his subs wrong last night for me. Vardy staying on against two banks of 4 when he needs space in behind to exploit... Why? No width when Slovakia were defending deep and narrow... Why?
Vardy staying on was weird, offers so little when the opponents are sitting deep. While Lallana is useless as actually finishing he was still creating more than most.
Truth is the team that played last night were no worse or better than the team that started the first 2 games and for me that just shows how average our squad is.
Henderson was annoying last night. Did a lot of good work (marking Hamsik, linking well with Clyne, driving forward) then wasting position and possession with some truly horrendous crossing to the corner flag. A real mixed bag.
However it is the tactics that are most at fault. In this kind of tight game Sturridge (as much as he was quiet) is the type of player that can make a difference here, hardly Vardy. Bertrand was anonymous, pull him off and bring Sterling on to provide some measure of width. Or Milner even.
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posted on 21/6/16
comment by (Kash) Coutinho Right Foot Curler - Justice4Gaza (U1108)
posted 4 minutes ago
Typical club bias coming in to play. Most pundits said he was impressive yesterday. He carried the attack from midfield and linked well with England's best player Clyne. He also had the important job of marking Hamsik and basically had him in his back pocket.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The same pundits that try to make out Rooney is the future of England's midfield.
You talk about club bias then mention pundits, who of course have no bias whatsoever.
Henderson shouldn't be anywhere near the England team.
posted on 21/6/16
comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by (Kash) Coutinho Right Foot Curler - Justice4Gaza (U1108)
posted 4 minutes ago
Typical club bias coming in to play. Most pundits said he was impressive yesterday. He carried the attack from midfield and linked well with England's best player Clyne. He also had the important job of marking Hamsik and basically had him in his back pocket.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The same pundits that try to make out Rooney is the future of England's midfield.
You talk about club bias then mention pundits, who of course have no bias whatsoever.
Henderson shouldn't be anywhere near the England team.
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Rooney was good in midfield first 2 games so deserved the praise. No idea why Roy put him forward again last night.
Whether you like it or not Henderson played well last night. His corners were poor but his general play and forward thinking ensured that England pressed high and con trolled the game.
posted on 21/6/16
Good, when measured against a central midfield that has a very unfit whilshere and who else in the middle who's top class.
It's a sad state of affairs where a striker well past his best is the future of the England midfield.
Danny Drinkwater is the one I feel sorry for, left out for an unfit whilshere and a shoehorned Wayne Rooney.
posted on 21/6/16
I'm no England fan but genuinely want THIS England team to do well, think you have some cracking attacking players that haven't received the hype of the previous generation but...
Henderson and Wilshire were pretty awful last night, Jack was caught in possession too often and a better team would have punished you for his errors and Henderson couldn't pass wind and his crossing and corners were woeful.
posted on 21/6/16
Henderson played well
What are you smoking and how much does it cost.
posted on 21/6/16
You talk about club bias then mention pundits, who of course have no bias whatsoever
---
Why would the likes of Bilic, Lineker, Dixon, Wright be biased towards Liverpool?
You are utterly clueless.
posted on 21/6/16
At the moment you are unable to prove how bad he was. Already acknowledged his 3 dead ball's were crap.
I have proved:
- he marked Hamsik out of the game
- pressed high
- linked well with Clyne which lead to England opportunities
- created a guilt edge chance for Allison
- good forward quick padding
- had one good effort which was blocked but was on target to test keeper
Let me know when you can come back with some actual facts
posted on 21/6/16
comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 8 minutes ago
Henderson played well
What are you smoking and how much does it cost.
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Didn't Henderson play the pass that put Vardy clean through? Didn't he also put in the cross to Alli at the far post. He also had a shot that would be gone in had one of their 10 defenders not got in the way.
Henderson was involved in all 3 of our best chances of scoring yet didn't play well. Ok then.
posted on 21/6/16
Yeah why would Dixon Wright and lineaker be biased to England players.
It's you that's clueless pal.
posted on 21/6/16
I think it was more that game really didn't need both Henderson and Dier.
posted on 21/6/16
Lineker criticises England players all the time you melt
Wow you are a special one.
posted on 21/6/16
I find Henderson very frustrating. He can deliver a decent pass as was shown when he picked out Vardy first half and Alli second, but nearly every other cross or corner was woeful. No more than a 5 from me but there weren't many players in the second half would score any better.
Clyne had a decent game and don't think Walker would could have done much better. Bertrand had little to do but what he did he did violently and was perhaps a tad lucky not to be sent off.
Wlishere looked completely off the pace, which was a shame because on his day I think he is our best midfielder.
The rest - all pretty average and lacking the spark to break down the massed Slovakian defence.
posted on 21/6/16
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 3 minutes ago
I think it was more that game really didn't need both Henderson and Dier.
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This is where Woy is inept. It was obvious Slovakia were not going to try and get out if their half & the middle of the park, particularly around their 18 yard line. So he should've either taken Wilshere off & pushed Dier further forward, if he can play a more traditional CM role, or taken Dier off. Hopefully Slovakia would've seen this and been tempted to come out of their half.
posted on 21/6/16
comment by (Kash) Coutinho Right Foot Curler - Justice4Gaza (U1108)
posted 6 minutes ago
At the moment you are unable to prove how bad he was. Already acknowledged his 3 dead ball's were crap.
I have proved:
- he marked Hamsik out of the game
- pressed high
- linked well with Clyne which lead to England opportunities
- created a guilt edge chance for Allison
- good forward quick padding
- had one good effort which was blocked but was on target to test keeper
Let me know when you can come back with some actual facts
----------------------------------------------------------------------
His first touch was appalling, he passed sideways (see 94th minute as perfect example) constantly, cant shoot, and when he did move forward the Slovaks exploited the gap he left because he coukdnt stick to his position. The only thing he did ok yday was link up with clyne who i thought had a solid game.
What has the last three games told me? Sterling, Lalana , henderson , wilshere are all poor. Drinkwater townsend, Walcott but to name a couple should have gine.
posted on 21/6/16
comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 39 minutes ago
Why mud we have enough sideways and backwards passing players.
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Indeed, which is why Carrick should be there as he offers way more as you guys found out when we played you
posted on 21/6/16
Firstly you have named 3. That's not a couple.
Secondly if you really think those are better than the players currently playing then you need help.
posted on 21/6/16
comment by Clever - son son son - 'The Special One' (U18599)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by (Kash) Coutinho Right Foot Curler - Justice4Gaza (U1108)
posted 6 minutes ago
At the moment you are unable to prove how bad he was. Already acknowledged his 3 dead ball's were crap.
I have proved:
- he marked Hamsik out of the game
- pressed high
- linked well with Clyne which lead to England opportunities
- created a guilt edge chance for Allison
- good forward quick padding
- had one good effort which was blocked but was on target to test keeper
Let me know when you can come back with some actual facts
----------------------------------------------------------------------
His first touch was appalling, he passed sideways (see 94th minute as perfect example) constantly, cant shoot, and when he did move forward the Slovaks exploited the gap he left because he coukdnt stick to his position. The only thing he did ok yday was link up with clyne who i thought had a solid game.
What has the last three games told me? Sterling, Lalana , henderson , wilshere are all poor. Drinkwater townsend, Walcott but to name a couple should have gine.
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Walcott
Have you watched him at all this season?? Even the Arsenal fans who ridiculously overhype there players think he is a complete waste of space. I would have taken someone like Marc albrighton long before getting to Walcott.
And whoever said wilshere was okay further up this thread obviously didn't watch the match.
posted on 21/6/16
I actually thought he was our best midfielder last night, played a lot of good balls forward. Dier had little to do, Wilshere wasn't doing much, Alli was lively while Rooney was awful.
posted on 21/6/16
Hendo was good in the first half. Average in the second but in the first he was the one playing all the forward passes.
He played 4 or 5 excellent through balls in the first half. I wouldn't have taken him to the tournament due to the fact he's barely played all season but the slaughtering he's been getting for the match last night is absurd.
posted on 21/6/16
Tiddles
Agreed, him along with Lallana and Clyne were our most positive outlet last night for me. I've said all along that Drinkwater deserved a spot in the squad and while Henderson hasn't had a good season, when he is fit and in form he can be a useful player, often supplying a lot of dangerous balls from deep.
posted on 21/6/16
Agreed 1982. I still wouldn't have taken either him or wilshere though, purely because neither has played enough football to be sharp enough to take England deep into the tournament.
Think it showed last night that both were spent by half time. I just don't get the hate on hendo, it's not even just because he's a Liverpool player because studge was average last night yet no one has said anything about him.
It's simply because he's "horrendouson".
posted on 21/6/16
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 50 minutes ago
comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 39 minutes ago
Why mud we have enough sideways and backwards passing players.
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Indeed, which is why Carrick should be there as he offers way more as you guys found out when we played you
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Ah yes that one game he showed up.
The carrick that United fans were calling the crab and saying should be dropped not too long ago.
posted on 21/6/16
Can't believe some of the slating Hendo's got on here compared to the rest of the midfield. Wilshere looked off the pace, Rooney found touch more often than a red shirts and Dier didn't have anything to do after about 35 minutes. Alli was lively but it was too little too late against a 9-man defence. Lallana whilst lively is truly deserving of the clichéd "jigsaw" nickname - he just goes to pieces in the box.
Hodgson got his subs wrong last night for me. Vardy staying on against two banks of 4 when he needs space in behind to exploit... Why? No width when Slovakia were defending deep and narrow... Why?
posted on 21/6/16
Vardy staying on was weird, offers so little when the opponents are sitting deep. While Lallana is useless as actually finishing he was still creating more than most.
Truth is the team that played last night were no worse or better than the team that started the first 2 games and for me that just shows how average our squad is.
posted on 21/6/16
Henderson was annoying last night. Did a lot of good work (marking Hamsik, linking well with Clyne, driving forward) then wasting position and possession with some truly horrendous crossing to the corner flag. A real mixed bag.
However it is the tactics that are most at fault. In this kind of tight game Sturridge (as much as he was quiet) is the type of player that can make a difference here, hardly Vardy. Bertrand was anonymous, pull him off and bring Sterling on to provide some measure of width. Or Milner even.
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