comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 56 minutes ago
Britain was not actually consulted, and has not been for 41yrs.
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You don't get it, do you?

Ever since Major, the UK has pushed enlargement - for a full 24 years. Major got his wish for 27 members in 1992, and Blair had to implement that during the period 2002-2004. And yes, he cocked that up (for sensible but ultimately flawed reasons), but that is a separate issue.

Blair and Brown also pushed for further enlargement during their tenure. Those are the so-called accession states who are waiting to get in now. They'll be joining the EU as and when they implement all 23 chapters. Most will be inside the tent by 2030.

Cameron has, by the way, even surpassed Blair and Brown in pushing for wider enlargement - including advocating for Turkey's membership.

Cameron said Turkeys joining is not imminent so shoud not be a consideration for the Brexit vote. He also said the vote was for the long term, for our children and grandchildren.

So on the one hand long term was not as issue but on the other hand it was. One of the biggest mistakes imo by the Remain side. No consistency.

Can't argue with that. The issue was correct, the handling of it was execrable.

comment by Beeb (U1841)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 56 minutes ago
Britain was not actually consulted, and has not been for 41yrs.
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You don't get it, do you?

Ever since Major, the UK has pushed enlargement - for a full 24 years. Major got his wish for 27 members in 1992, and Blair had to implement that during the period 2002-2004. And yes, he cocked that up (for sensible but ultimately flawed reasons), but that is a separate issue.

Blair and Brown also pushed for further enlargement during their tenure. Those are the so-called accession states who are waiting to get in now. They'll be joining the EU as and when they implement all 23 chapters. Most will be inside the tent by 2030.
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But Cameron, Blair and Major all wanted us to stay in anyway.

The comments made are that Britain pushed for expansion, but now Britain says they can't control immigration.

Who is he talking about?

Britain represented by parliament wanted further expansion.

Britain represented directly by the electorate never actually got a direct say in the matter until now.



There is no real reason - barring ideological ones - why total freedom of movement has to be a pillar. Plenty of areas trade freely without such an arrangement.

A tinkering of it, with a relatively high cap, would have kept us in - not in my case as it is not the sole reason for my vote - but the EU are so ideologically stubborn it meant an out vote.

After watching Gove's speech , im backing leadsom for rory leader

comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 8 minutes ago
After watching Gove's speech , im backing leadsom for rory leader
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comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 10 minutes ago
After watching Gove's speech , im backing leadsom for rory leader
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It's like choosing which bear you'd rather be mauled by...

Roary leader. Am I right?

Wales have said fack off to Brussels two weeks on the bounce now

mini-Thatcher will win

Gove is such a rodent.

Regardless of the backstabbing, he's simply the type of person who you'd like to slap on principle.

he's too ugly to be PM

look at those teeth

I don't think he will make the final two

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Gove will never be P.M he's like Ed Milliband, simply weird and odd. The general public won't vote "geek".

comment by Sane (so I voted remain) (U19841)
posted 18 seconds ago
Gove will never be P.M he's like Ed Milliband, simply weird and odd. The general public won't vote "geek".
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It's not the general public voting though. It's the increasing small, increasingly right wing, increasingly old (over 60 years old *on average* now) Tory Party membership.

Imagine an old people's home somewhere in affluent rural Surrey to picture the demographic.

Oh I didn't say he might not win the leadership battle. Just not a general election.

Then again if Labour keep Corbyn who can say.

comment by Sane (so I voted remain) (U19841)
posted 1 minute ago
Oh I didn't say he might not win the leadership battle. Just not a general election.

Then again if Labour keep Corbyn who can say.
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The beauty of it is he doesn't have to win a general election. He'd have a four year mandate based on his selection by a bunch of pant-wetting millionaires.

Give won't win. May or Leadsom probably.

To be fair to Gove he was a total 2w@ at education, but seems to be a reasonable job at "The Ministry of Justice".

I wouldn't put money on it melts. This is the big chance - a unique and frightening chance - for the libertarians.

The Government has already said that many of their manifesto pledges are now null and void; they can't be met due to the exit vote. With a parliamentary majority and a weak opposition, this effectively gives the new PM a blank sheet of paper to work from.

There will never be a better time for the right of the party to push through the real cuts, reform and privatisation it wants to see.

The message will be, "We knew we'd have to tighten our belts for a few years following Brexit, but we can see this as an opportunity to reform our public services - to introduce greater competition, to improve efficiency, to reduce the burden on the state - to create a new, freer Britain with a reduced regulatory burden, blah blah blah..."

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Rosso

Not sure why any rational person would have a problem with any of your last paragraph.

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 15 minutes ago
Rosso

Not sure why any rational person would have a problem with any of your last paragraph.
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