Spurtle
"The top goalscorer in the league. How much more in form could you be? Of course he had to take Kane. To blame him for that is stupid.
He should have taken Townsend and Drinkwater if we're talking players in form".
Yeah he was top scorer but he was out of form towards the end of the season, during the pre tournament friendlies, and during the tournament itself. Yea he had to take him. But why continue to play him during the tournament when he's been poor?
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Yes Wales done well but let's be serious here have they really played anyone decent.
England - absolutely dire yet beat wales
Slovakia - tanked by germany
Russia- worst team in euros
Northern Ireland - really
Belgium - decent team but like England slightly better
And now portugal who I think have reached semi by o ly winning one game!
If they played teams like France, Spain, Italy and Germany we would see how they really are. They are lucky they where in the easy side of the draw.
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You do know Belgium are ranked 2nd in World football ?
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As if the rankings mean anything. Belgium are certainly not the 2nd best team in World football, and never were. They already got beaten by Wales in the qualifying.
They're a bunch of bottlejobs like England, who were also ranked way above their real level.
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Difference is Belgium actually have world-class difference makers in Hazard and De Bruyne. They bottled it. England didn't necessarily bottle it - we're just not very good.
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England did kind of bottle it though. They collectively shat their pants in the second half of the Iceland match.
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ranked 2nd by winning absolutely nothing....
not even been in a final...or even a semi
in fact they're basically second purely on how many Premiership/CL players they have
comment by Aggers Right Elbow (U3402)
posted 7 minutes ago
It's the thinking at the top that needs to change first.
If you look at cricket and rugby for example lessons were learned after failures and acted on. Look at the England rugby team, they have the winning mentality and organisation to go a long way, that 0-3 beating of Austraila in their own backyard shows what can be done.
The FA set their sights low by appointing Hodgson and they would have been quite happy to scrape to a semi final under the proven loser they had employed. I dig the faux outrage they have now they fell short of their own low standards.
Who do they turn to now? A proven bottler in Gareth Southgate who unsurprisingly doesn't have the cojones to step up and take the job. Where is his pride?
Time to sack the decision makers at the FA remove Southgate and start to clear up the mess left behind with a team that know what they are doing.
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Yep the FA needs sorting out. They are seen as businessmen, and if you consider England as a business then just how bad is that track record of theirs?
There should be far more calls for this organisation to be shaken up than there are, rather than just looking at the players and managers.
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 3 minutes ago
Spurtle
"The top goalscorer in the league. How much more in form could you be? Of course he had to take Kane. To blame him for that is stupid.
He should have taken Townsend and Drinkwater if we're talking players in form".
Yeah he was top scorer but he was out of form towards the end of the season, during the pre tournament friendlies, and during the tournament itself. Yea he had to take him. But why continue to play him during the tournament when he's been poor?
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Well where do you draw the line as far as form goes then because his last goal was what, just 3 games before the season ended? Are you saying the league's top goalscorer can go to a major tournament unless he goes 4/5 goals without scoring? How harsh is that!
Yeah I agree in hindsight he should have been dropped during the tournament and replaced, not dropped and brought back in. I guess none of us were to know he was going to be this bad though.
The biggest problem for england is trying to fit players into a team when there better, form players deserving a chance.
When you move rooney into a midfield position, just because he is rooney, what does that say to all the actual midfielders?
When you take Jack Wilshere, who played less than 90 mins in the whole season, but leave Danny drinkwater behind, what does that say?
Wales benefit from not having the embarassment of riches, but England ALWAYS waste those riches by picking players undeserving of a place in the team.
No team unity and despite what Hodgson said, no passion
Emre...absolutely spot on there. This english obssession with picking players based on reputation is utterly ridiculous.
Roy never ever ever had the balls to drop rooney. I hate this obssession with names in England. If drinkwater was welsh he would be part of the wales 11 and probably lauded for his performances...hes english so gets left behind and j wilshere who hasnt played all.season is included
comment by Got_Better (U6241)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
Emre...absolutely spot on there. This english obssession with picking players based on reputation is utterly ridiculous.
Roy never ever ever had the balls to drop rooney. I hate this obssession with names in England. If drinkwater was welsh he would be part of the wales 11 and probably lauded for his performances...hes english so gets left behind and j wilshere who hasnt played all.season is included
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you're right, it all comes down to the manager being bereft of knackers
Realistically if Roy wanted to play Rooney, it has to be up front. Like he did throughout the100% qualifying campaign.
Left us light in midfield with no link.
comment by Got_Better (U6241)
posted 3 hours, 36 minutes ago
Emre...absolutely spot on there. This english obssession with picking players based on reputation is utterly ridiculous.
Roy never ever ever had the balls to drop rooney. I hate this obssession with names in England. If drinkwater was welsh he would be part of the wales 11 and probably lauded for his performances...hes english so gets left behind and j wilshere who hasnt played all.season is included
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Bingo.
Sterling, Barkley, Wilshire,Henderson, Rooney, Sturridge, Stones and many more picked on name/reputation and not form
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comment by Got_Better (U6241)
posted 3 hours, 36 minutes ago
Emre...absolutely spot on there. This english obssession with picking players based on reputation is utterly ridiculous.
Roy never ever ever had the balls to drop rooney. I hate this obssession with names in England. If drinkwater was welsh he would be part of the wales 11 and probably lauded for his performances...hes english so gets left behind and j wilshere who hasnt played all.season is included
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Bingo.
Sterling, Barkley, Wilshire,Henderson, Rooney, Sturridge, Stones and many more picked on name/reputation and not form
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How many of these were involved in the 100% qualifying campaign?
Any player involved in qualifying deserved to be in the squad on merit.
How many of the qualifying players were unavailable for the finals due to injury?
Any of the qualifying players left out of the squad to allow Woy to fit in his favourites is down to Woy being a pr!ck.
I don't see the point you are trying to make?
Mine isnt bias, it's down to players in/out of form.....were any of the above in form?
You could add Bertrand to the list after some more thought
comment by Emre Can really is that good! (U9282)
posted 10 hours, 58 minutes ago
The biggest problem for england is trying to fit players into a team when there better, form players deserving a chance.
When you move rooney into a midfield position, just because he is rooney, what does that say to all the actual midfielders?
When you take Jack Wilshere, who played less than 90 mins in the whole season, but leave Danny drinkwater behind, what does that say?
Wales benefit from not having the embarassment of riches, but England ALWAYS waste those riches by picking players undeserving of a place in the team.
No team unity and despite what Hodgson said, no passion
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posted on 2/7/16
Spurtle
"The top goalscorer in the league. How much more in form could you be? Of course he had to take Kane. To blame him for that is stupid.
He should have taken Townsend and Drinkwater if we're talking players in form".
Yeah he was top scorer but he was out of form towards the end of the season, during the pre tournament friendlies, and during the tournament itself. Yea he had to take him. But why continue to play him during the tournament when he's been poor?
posted on 2/7/16
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
comment by Reincarnated Red (U1176)
posted 9 hours, 17 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Mr Mourinho (U5874)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Goofy One (U16087)
posted 1 minute ago
Yes Wales done well but let's be serious here have they really played anyone decent.
England - absolutely dire yet beat wales
Slovakia - tanked by germany
Russia- worst team in euros
Northern Ireland - really
Belgium - decent team but like England slightly better
And now portugal who I think have reached semi by o ly winning one game!
If they played teams like France, Spain, Italy and Germany we would see how they really are. They are lucky they where in the easy side of the draw.
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You do know Belgium are ranked 2nd in World football ?
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As if the rankings mean anything. Belgium are certainly not the 2nd best team in World football, and never were. They already got beaten by Wales in the qualifying.
They're a bunch of bottlejobs like England, who were also ranked way above their real level.
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Difference is Belgium actually have world-class difference makers in Hazard and De Bruyne. They bottled it. England didn't necessarily bottle it - we're just not very good.
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England did kind of bottle it though. They collectively shat their pants in the second half of the Iceland match.
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ranked 2nd by winning absolutely nothing....
not even been in a final...or even a semi
posted on 2/7/16
in fact they're basically second purely on how many Premiership/CL players they have
posted on 2/7/16
comment by Aggers Right Elbow (U3402)
posted 7 minutes ago
It's the thinking at the top that needs to change first.
If you look at cricket and rugby for example lessons were learned after failures and acted on. Look at the England rugby team, they have the winning mentality and organisation to go a long way, that 0-3 beating of Austraila in their own backyard shows what can be done.
The FA set their sights low by appointing Hodgson and they would have been quite happy to scrape to a semi final under the proven loser they had employed. I dig the faux outrage they have now they fell short of their own low standards.
Who do they turn to now? A proven bottler in Gareth Southgate who unsurprisingly doesn't have the cojones to step up and take the job. Where is his pride?
Time to sack the decision makers at the FA remove Southgate and start to clear up the mess left behind with a team that know what they are doing.
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Yep the FA needs sorting out. They are seen as businessmen, and if you consider England as a business then just how bad is that track record of theirs?
There should be far more calls for this organisation to be shaken up than there are, rather than just looking at the players and managers.
posted on 2/7/16
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 3 minutes ago
Spurtle
"The top goalscorer in the league. How much more in form could you be? Of course he had to take Kane. To blame him for that is stupid.
He should have taken Townsend and Drinkwater if we're talking players in form".
Yeah he was top scorer but he was out of form towards the end of the season, during the pre tournament friendlies, and during the tournament itself. Yea he had to take him. But why continue to play him during the tournament when he's been poor?
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Well where do you draw the line as far as form goes then because his last goal was what, just 3 games before the season ended? Are you saying the league's top goalscorer can go to a major tournament unless he goes 4/5 goals without scoring? How harsh is that!
Yeah I agree in hindsight he should have been dropped during the tournament and replaced, not dropped and brought back in. I guess none of us were to know he was going to be this bad though.
posted on 2/7/16
The biggest problem for england is trying to fit players into a team when there better, form players deserving a chance.
When you move rooney into a midfield position, just because he is rooney, what does that say to all the actual midfielders?
When you take Jack Wilshere, who played less than 90 mins in the whole season, but leave Danny drinkwater behind, what does that say?
Wales benefit from not having the embarassment of riches, but England ALWAYS waste those riches by picking players undeserving of a place in the team.
No team unity and despite what Hodgson said, no passion
posted on 2/7/16
Emre...absolutely spot on there. This english obssession with picking players based on reputation is utterly ridiculous.
Roy never ever ever had the balls to drop rooney. I hate this obssession with names in England. If drinkwater was welsh he would be part of the wales 11 and probably lauded for his performances...hes english so gets left behind and j wilshere who hasnt played all.season is included
posted on 2/7/16
Gotta agree too
posted on 2/7/16
comment by Got_Better (U6241)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
Emre...absolutely spot on there. This english obssession with picking players based on reputation is utterly ridiculous.
Roy never ever ever had the balls to drop rooney. I hate this obssession with names in England. If drinkwater was welsh he would be part of the wales 11 and probably lauded for his performances...hes english so gets left behind and j wilshere who hasnt played all.season is included
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you're right, it all comes down to the manager being bereft of knackers
posted on 2/7/16
we got Royed
posted on 2/7/16
Realistically if Roy wanted to play Rooney, it has to be up front. Like he did throughout the100% qualifying campaign.
Left us light in midfield with no link.
posted on 2/7/16
comment by Got_Better (U6241)
posted 3 hours, 36 minutes ago
Emre...absolutely spot on there. This english obssession with picking players based on reputation is utterly ridiculous.
Roy never ever ever had the balls to drop rooney. I hate this obssession with names in England. If drinkwater was welsh he would be part of the wales 11 and probably lauded for his performances...hes english so gets left behind and j wilshere who hasnt played all.season is included
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Bingo.
Sterling, Barkley, Wilshire,Henderson, Rooney, Sturridge, Stones and many more picked on name/reputation and not form
posted on 2/7/16
comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga Nikica come on pretty mama (U1308)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Got_Better (U6241)
posted 3 hours, 36 minutes ago
Emre...absolutely spot on there. This english obssession with picking players based on reputation is utterly ridiculous.
Roy never ever ever had the balls to drop rooney. I hate this obssession with names in England. If drinkwater was welsh he would be part of the wales 11 and probably lauded for his performances...hes english so gets left behind and j wilshere who hasnt played all.season is included
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Bingo.
Sterling, Barkley, Wilshire,Henderson, Rooney, Sturridge, Stones and many more picked on name/reputation and not form
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How many of these were involved in the 100% qualifying campaign?
Any player involved in qualifying deserved to be in the squad on merit.
How many of the qualifying players were unavailable for the finals due to injury?
Any of the qualifying players left out of the squad to allow Woy to fit in his favourites is down to Woy being a pr!ck.
posted on 2/7/16
I don't see the point you are trying to make?
Mine isnt bias, it's down to players in/out of form.....were any of the above in form?
You could add Bertrand to the list after some more thought
posted on 2/7/16
comment by Emre Can really is that good! (U9282)
posted 10 hours, 58 minutes ago
The biggest problem for england is trying to fit players into a team when there better, form players deserving a chance.
When you move rooney into a midfield position, just because he is rooney, what does that say to all the actual midfielders?
When you take Jack Wilshere, who played less than 90 mins in the whole season, but leave Danny drinkwater behind, what does that say?
Wales benefit from not having the embarassment of riches, but England ALWAYS waste those riches by picking players undeserving of a place in the team.
No team unity and despite what Hodgson said, no passion
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This is 100% correct
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