and all this shiiit going down in Dallas wouldnt have happened had JR still been alive

I fear that police brutality is a natural by-product of a society having such lenient gun laws. It's a serious and not insignificant consideration for every police officer that any and every perpetrator of a crime, no matter how minor, could be armed.

comment by just plain old Dunc (U11713)
posted 2 minutes ago
and all this shiiit going down in Dallas wouldnt have happened had JR still been alive
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And Elvis.

And JFK

It will be interesting to find out exactly who is responsible for these cop killings, and their motivation for the attacks.

I just pray that it isn't disaffected black youths, because that's a war they aren't going to win and will only lead to more of these tragic incidents.

This will turn into a vicious circle if something isn't done to bridge the gap.

comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 4 minutes ago
I fear that police brutality is a natural by-product of a society having such lenient gun laws. It's a serious and not insignificant consideration for every police officer that any and every perpetrator of a crime, no matter how minor, could be armed.
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Exactly

US Police officers only have to believe that they're safety or others safety is in danger to use deadly force. The belief that anybody they interact with could be armed has to be a major factor in they're decision making.

comment by RS 2000® I'm genetically predisposed to eat chicken. Colonel Sanders you give me chicken. (U9953)
posted 1 minute ago
This will turn into a vicious circle if something isn't done to bridge the gap.
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Absolutely. But where to start?

comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by RS 2000® I'm genetically predisposed to eat chicken. Colonel Sanders yougive me chicken. (U9953)
posted 1 minute ago
This will turn into a vicious circle if something isn't done to bridge the gap.
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Absolutely. But where to start?
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a bridge?

http://crime.chicagotribune.com/chicago/homicides

they have went mad in chicago the last few years,imagine being the police in a place like that

i suppose it would be worse in one of the neighbourhoods to be fair

comment by Kolo's Long Schłông On Tour! KLS ⚽️ (U1695)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 4 minutes ago
I fear that police brutality is a natural by-product of a society having such lenient gun laws. It's a serious and not insignificant consideration for every police officer that any and every perpetrator of a crime, no matter how minor, could be armed.
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Exactly

US Police officers only have to believe that they're safety or others safety is in danger to use deadly force. The belief that anybody they interact with could be armed has to be a major factor in they're decision making.
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You've touched on another factor at work. It's very difficult to disprove that someone feared for their own safety or that of others.

comment by just plain old Dunc (U11713)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by RS 2000® I'm genetically predisposed to eat chicken. Colonel Sanders yougive me chicken. (U9953)
posted 1 minute ago
This will turn into a vicious circle if something isn't done to bridge the gap.
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Absolutely. But where to start?
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a bridge?
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Like Caesar's over the Rhenus?

comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by just plain old Dunc (U11713)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by RS 2000® I'm genetically predisposed to eat chicken. Colonel Sanders yougive me chicken. (U9953)
posted 1 minute ago
This will turn into a vicious circle if something isn't done to bridge the gap.
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Absolutely. But where to start?
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a bridge?
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Like Caesar's over the Rhenus?
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anus?

comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kolo's Long Schłông On Tour! KLS ⚽️ (U1695)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 4 minutes ago
I fear that police brutality is a natural by-product of a society having such lenient gun laws. It's a serious and not insignificant consideration for every police officer that any and every perpetrator of a crime, no matter how minor, could be armed.
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Exactly

US Police officers only have to believe that they're safety or others safety is in danger to use deadly force. The belief that anybody they interact with could be armed has to be a major factor in they're decision making.
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You've touched on another factor at work. It's very difficult to disprove that someone feared for their own safety or that of others.
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Once you have your man lay on the ground though, your safety is usually assured and there doesn't need to be 3 bullets put through their chest.

comment by Mike (U1170)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kolo's Long Schłông On Tour! KLS ⚽️ (U1695)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 4 minutes ago
I fear that police brutality is a natural by-product of a society having such lenient gun laws. It's a serious and not insignificant consideration for every police officer that any and every perpetrator of a crime, no matter how minor, could be armed.
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Exactly

US Police officers only have to believe that they're safety or others safety is in danger to use deadly force. The belief that anybody they interact with could be armed has to be a major factor in they're decision making.
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You've touched on another factor at work. It's very difficult to disprove that someone feared for their own safety or that of others.
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Once you have your man lay on the ground though, your safety is usually assured and there doesn't need to be 3 bullets put through their chest.
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No, and I didn't suggest otherwise.

comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Kolo's Long Schłông On Tour! KLS ⚽️ (U1695)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 4 minutes ago
I fear that police brutality is a natural by-product of a society having such lenient gun laws. It's a serious and not insignificant consideration for every police officer that any and every perpetrator of a crime, no matter how minor, could be armed.
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Exactly

US Police officers only have to believe that they're safety or others safety is in danger to use deadly force. The belief that anybody they interact with could be armed has to be a major factor in they're decision making.
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You've touched on another factor at work. It's very difficult to disprove that someone feared for their own safety or that of others.
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If you look at the 2 incidents in question regarding the 2 police shootings.

The guy outside the mini-mart, the 2 officers where responding to reports of a black male outside with a gun. You then see a 10 second clip of them wrestling with a guy on the ground, who isn't following they're instructions. The officer pulls his side arm and shots are fired, you then see one of them pull something from the guys pocket.

We don't see what led up to the events as the officers arrived at the scene.

Surely there has to be cctv from the store?

Did the police car not have a dash cam?

I fully support the use of body cams and any police officer shouldn't have a problem with wearing one.

comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kolo's Long Schłông On Tour! KLS ⚽️ (U1695)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 4 minutes ago
I fear that police brutality is a natural by-product of a society having such lenient gun laws. It's a serious and not insignificant consideration for every police officer that any and every perpetrator of a crime, no matter how minor, could be armed.
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Exactly

US Police officers only have to believe that they're safety or others safety is in danger to use deadly force. The belief that anybody they interact with could be armed has to be a major factor in they're decision making.
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You've touched on another factor at work. It's very difficult to disprove that someone feared for their own safety or that of others.
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Once you have your man lay on the ground though, your safety is usually assured
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If the man is cooperating with instructions yes!

If he's not and is fighting to get up and reaching for his pockets when being told not to, no?

As I've said we don't see the events leading up to the whole situation and can't comment on what the officer was thinking!

I fully support the use of body cams and any police officer shouldn't have a problem with wearing one.

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If I was a police commissioner/chief in this highly volatile areas I would want my officers to wear these to cover their own backs. Most of these viral clips are 'after the event' (and by that I mean once the police have arrived on the scene or are already wrestling with the suspect - the stuff worth videoing if you're a so inclined passer by basically). We rarely see what goes before, so it's an impossible position to defend your actions from. If you're on tape pulling a gun and opening fire, without any context, you will look like a murderer.

comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 56 seconds ago
I fully support the use of body cams and any police officer shouldn't have a problem with wearing one.

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If I was a police commissioner/chief in this highly volatile areas I would want my officers to wear these to cover their own backs. Most of these viral clips are 'after the event' (and by that I mean once the police have arrived on the scene or are already wrestling with the suspect - the stuff worth videoing if you're a so inclined passer by basically). We rarely see what goes before, so it's an impossible position to defend your actions from. If you're on tape pulling a gun and opening fire, without any context, you will look like a murderer.
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You look at the type of cams available now like a go-pro and they wouldn't know they where wearing them!

comment by Manéfrombelmonty (U1705)
posted 50 minutes ago
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 3 minutes ago
Feel sorry for the guy who was wrongfully accused as a suspect by news outlets.

Most still haven't taken down tweets etc despite him finding a police officer and being declared not a perpatrator. Shambolic journalism.
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Which one? The black guy in a camouflage tshirt?

It wasn't the media that accused him of being a suspect, it was the Dallas Police via Twitter
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True but the news outlets ran with it and the tweets are still up

Just digest this for a sec;

Police killed at least 102 unarmed black people in 2015, nearly twice each week.

Nearly 1 in 3 black people killed by police in 2015 were identified as unarmed, though the actual number is likely higher due to underreporting

37% of unarmed people killed by police were black in 2015 despite black people being only 13% of the U.S. population

"Unarmed black people were killed at 5x the rate of unarmed whites in 2015"

Only 10 of the 102 cases in 2015 where an unarmed black person was killed by police resulted in officer(s) being charged with a crime, and only 2 of these deaths (Matthew Ajibade and Eric Harris) resulted in convictions of officers involved. Only 1 of 2 officers convicted for their involvement in Matthew Ajibade's death received jail time. He was sentenced to 1 year in jail and allowed to serve this time exclusively on weekends. Deputy Bates, who killed Eric Harris, will be sentenced May 31.

It's not just about killing unarmed people, it is about the lack of punishment for it that concerns me.

Unarmed stats mean nothing!

Just because they were unarmed doesn't mean they weren't posing a threat!

Hard to punish police in these situations. It's almost impossible to distinguish what was objectively reasonable from snap judgements of panic-fuelled police officers.

The factors I raised earlier, specifically regarding race relations and the promotion of gun/gang culture in these communities can't be ignored when considering these figures. We've all heard the N.W.A song F the police... A song promoting the murder of cops, which influenced an entire generation and glorified gang culture, whilst exacerbating tensions between the police and the black community.

Of course having 300 million guns in the country doesn't help. If you consider that statistic then it's quite miraculous that only c. 1000 people a year are shot dead by police in America.

Trump won't get in !