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comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 4 minutes ago
what is clear is that black people are seen as sub human in America. It's a major shame but it's a country built on racism, so can you expect anything less?
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Thats a pretty dumb generalisation
I suggest you come and live here and you will see that isn't the case at all for the most part.
Yes, we do have some racial issues in parts, it was only 50 years ago that we put an end to the brain dead laws.
We saw that racism is still rife in the uk a few weeks back as well, it isn't just an american problem, its a society one.
"what is clear is that black people are seen as sub human in America. It's a major shame but it's a country built on racism, so can you expect anything less?"
Yup - people voted for a subhuman president....
Or he's the right kind of black person - ie from wealth. Unfortunately I think a lot of the racial and social equality arises from the growing gulf in economic inequality as people get cast adrift in a culture which offers them no future.
Seems quite apparent to me that the police are always on edge because they have no idea what they are walking up to.
The ridiculous gun laws we have here have created that fear of course.
But as others have said, it is the resistance from these idiots that leads to the quick escalation, why is it so dificult to just do as the officer says?
I have been pulled over twice for speeding here and have gotten off without a ticket twice. Why? Because i just do as they say and act like a normal human being.
And on top of all this the press and online warriors create an anti police mentality and now we see the results last night in Dallas.
Personally i understand that some police are sc umbags and cross a line, sadly that won't ever stop, but the amount of grief they get after each shooting is outrageous and i would fully support a nationwide police strike just to wake up the nation as to what the police are actually doing each day.
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Exactly right.
There is obviously a small percentage of racist people in all walks of life and indeed a few maybe police officers but to believe it's wide spread is wrong.
Many of the videos you see are of people refusing to provide police officers with ID, simply because they aren't required to because they've done nothing wrong.
Simple fact is, if you've done nothing wrong what do you have to hide and why be so obtrusive when asked to identify yourself?
Sorry my comment is poorly written, its meant to suggest that actually I don't believe that racism is the main driver of conflict, more inequality through poverty (under which more black people proportionally live).
comment by Rover the hill and far away (U7040)
posted 1 minute ago
"what is clear is that black people are seen as sub human in America. It's a major shame but it's a country built on racism, so can you expect anything less?"
Yup - people voted for a subhuman president....
Or he's the right kind of black person - ie from wealth. Unfortunately I think a lot of the racial and social equality arises from the growing gulf in economic inequality as people get cast adrift in a culture which offers them no future.
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Well said.
comment by Rover the hill and far away (U7040)
posted 11 seconds ago
Sorry my comment is poorly written, its meant to suggest that actually I don't believe that racism is the main driver of conflict, more inequality through poverty (under which more black people proportionally live).
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Thats how i took your first comment and was going to say the same a few minutes ago.
It's almost as if there is a race war going on, but not between black and white but between black and police.
If you count police as being a race (I know they are not but it's the mentality) then some police are being racists due to actions of a few and some black people are being racist towards the police due to the actions of a few.
What happens then is you get a disproportionate number of incidents happening between both groups and they both cannot get their heads around the fact that it is just some and not all from both groups.
I reckon if you gather the stats on number of police officers killed in comparison there will be a parallel.
comment by Hod idol the x factor - Mo's posh tin set! (U5117)
posted 6 minutes ago
I reckon if you gather the stats on number of police officers killed in comparison there will be a parallel.
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there was over 1000 black people killed by police last year. If there was a parallel, the military would be involved a long time ago.
Nowt to do with colour but as explained above, to do with circumstances.
Police spend far more time in poor, crime ridden neighbourhoods and this is where the problems stem from, blacks killed more blacks than all over deaths combined i would imagine.
comment by Rover the hill and far away (U7040)
posted 40 minutes ago
Yup - people voted for a subhuman president....
Or he's the right kind of black person - ie from wealth. Unfortunately I think a lot of the racial and social equality arises from the growing gulf in economic inequality as people get cast adrift in a culture which offers them no future.
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Barack Obama is not black, he is mixed race. The main reason people refer to him as black is because throughout Americas racist history, if you were mixed race you were considered black becaus white people wouldn't accept you as their own or even as mixed. It's kind of ridiculous that people call Barack Obama black and just because we have a mixed race person as president say to black people that racism can't exist. Do you think if Barack Obama was actually black and wanted to help the black community he would have got into office? Absolutely not.
I worked with the police for a few years and I can honestly say that the mindset when dealing with different ethnicities is different and IMO racist. This is from a policy and directive level IMO
Examples would include a white family disturbance resulting in a couple of officers being sent around and with black and Asian incidences a riot alert with dogs and multiple vehicles.
Misrepresenting evidences and collusion with agencies relying on money from community safety funds
I am an Asian male so many will see this comment as "you are bound to say that" but its true based on about 15 years working
Lost me here dude???
So these alleged racist police differentiate between black and mixed race?
I can assure you that EVERYBODY here considers Obama to be black.
comment by Euro2016! What an absolute shocker <dogshat> (U11551)
posted 4 minutes ago
Nowt to do with colour but as explained above, to do with circumstances.
Police spend far more time in poor, crime ridden neighbourhoods and this is where the problems stem from, blacks killed more blacks than all over deaths combined i would imagine.
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You're half right but the circumstances were orchestrated from the begining. If you look at a map of where black people live in the US. They're all bunched together in one corner. after slavery they were moved into the ghettos so they could easily be controlled and oppressed. Then you had klansmen infiltrating the American political and judicial infrastructure. Then you have the dehumanisation and brainwashing/stereotyping of the black male through the media and then you get cops policing these black communities from all white communities where their only experience of black people is through the media. this is systemic racism and it should not be underestimated (especially the brainwashing of the media).
comment by Redd Foxx (U19849)
posted 5 minutes ago
I worked with the police for a few years and I can honestly say that the mindset when dealing with different ethnicities is different and IMO racist. This is from a policy and directive level IMO
Examples would include a white family disturbance resulting in a couple of officers being sent around and with black and Asian incidences a riot alert with dogs and multiple vehicles.
Misrepresenting evidences and collusion with agencies relying on money from community safety funds
I am an Asian male so many will see this comment as "you are bound to say that" but its true based on about 15 years working
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Thank you for your honest assessment. It's nice to have someone with some inside info. I and many others already knew this but it seems the majority may still be in denial.
Perhaps that was the case early doors and i don't disagree regarding the fact that there is certainly some deep rooted prejudice going on.
But now the media is clearly pro black and anti police, its quite a scary movement in my opinion and the nation will suffer because of it.
Unfortunately it will take time to eliminate racism, its a generational thing as much as anything, but all i know is that the way the press report this stuff now, they are just fueling the problem.
comment by Beckham's Barnet (U13709)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Rover the hill and far away (U7040)
posted 40 minutes ago
Yup - people voted for a subhuman president....
Or he's the right kind of black person - ie from wealth. Unfortunately I think a lot of the racial and social equality arises from the growing gulf in economic inequality as people get cast adrift in a culture which offers them no future.
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Barack Obama is not black, he is mixed race. The main reason people refer to him as black is because throughout Americas racist history, if you were mixed race you were considered black becaus white people wouldn't accept you as their own or even as mixed. It's kind of ridiculous that people call Barack Obama black and just because we have a mixed race person as president say to black people that racism can't exist. Do you think if Barack Obama was actually black and wanted to help the black community he would have got into office? Absolutely not.
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I seldom get involved in this kind of debate.
But i'd query that it is just an American MO classify Barrack as black.
I'd go as far as stating it mainly has to do with perceived success of said person. Rio Ferdinand, Lewis, Drake, Halle Berry - all termed black; when patently not.
comment by Euro2016! What an absolute shocker <dogshat> (U11551)
posted 6 minutes ago
Lost me here dude???
So these alleged racist police differentiate between black and mixed race?
I can assure you that EVERYBODY here considers Obama to be black.
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Well we're educated enough to know that he is mixed race, but we still refer to him as black. Why is he more black than he is white? What does it mean to be black?There are too many questions to ask. I just profoundly disagree with the notion that because the US has a mixed race president that America isn't institutionally racist when all the signs clearly present an answer to the contrary.
comment by Beckham's Barnet (U13709)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Redd Foxx (U19849)
posted 5 minutes ago
I worked with the police for a few years and I can honestly say that the mindset when dealing with different ethnicities is different and IMO racist. This is from a policy and directive level IMO
Examples would include a white family disturbance resulting in a couple of officers being sent around and with black and Asian incidences a riot alert with dogs and multiple vehicles.
Misrepresenting evidences and collusion with agencies relying on money from community safety funds
I am an Asian male so many will see this comment as "you are bound to say that" but its true based on about 15 years working
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Thank you for your honest assessment. It's nice to have someone with some inside info. I and many others already knew this but it seems the majority may still be in denial.
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Surely the reaction is fueled by experience?
The police know damn well that if they go to an inner city black neighbourhood then they are facing genuine danger, or can we not even admit that now without being called racist?
It isn't a made up statistic that most murders are inner city and predominantly black neighbourhoods.
comment by Beckham's Barnet (U13709)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Euro2016! What an absolute shocker <dogshat> (U11551)
posted 6 minutes ago
Lost me here dude???
So these alleged racist police differentiate between black and mixed race?
I can assure you that EVERYBODY here considers Obama to be black.
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Well we're educated enough to know that he is mixed race, but we still refer to him as black. Why is he more black than he is white? What does it mean to be black?There are too many questions to ask. I just profoundly disagree with the notion that because the US has a mixed race president that America isn't institutionally racist when all the signs clearly present an answer to the contrary.
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well i live here and have not seen a single ounce of racism in all that time, and i have worked alongside all races and mixed with all races.
comment by The_Red_Cognoscente (U9741)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Beckham's Barnet (U13709)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Rover the hill and far away (U7040)
posted 40 minutes ago
Yup - people voted for a subhuman president....
Or he's the right kind of black person - ie from wealth. Unfortunately I think a lot of the racial and social equality arises from the growing gulf in economic inequality as people get cast adrift in a culture which offers them no future.
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Barack Obama is not black, he is mixed race. The main reason people refer to him as black is because throughout Americas racist history, if you were mixed race you were considered black becaus white people wouldn't accept you as their own or even as mixed. It's kind of ridiculous that people call Barack Obama black and just because we have a mixed race person as president say to black people that racism can't exist. Do you think if Barack Obama was actually black and wanted to help the black community he would have got into office? Absolutely not.
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I seldom get involved in this kind of debate.
But i'd query that it is just an American MO classify Barrack as black.
I'd go as far as stating it mainly has to do with perceived success of said person. Rio Ferdinand, Lewis, Drake, Halle Berry - all termed black; when patently not.
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It's a complexed issue, but I honestly feel that mixed race people have a completely different experience to the majority of black people and should be recognised as such, rather than trying to lump everyone into the same category and say to the rest in that category that they shouldn't complain because a mixed race person achieved something, so what they're experiencing can't be true.
If Obama looked like Robert Mugabe he would not be in office.
comment by Euro2016! What an absolute shocker <dogshat> (U11551)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Beckham's Barnet (U13709)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Euro2016! What an absolute shocker <dogshat> (U11551)
posted 6 minutes ago
Lost me here dude???
So these alleged racist police differentiate between black and mixed race?
I can assure you that EVERYBODY here considers Obama to be black.
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Well we're educated enough to know that he is mixed race, but we still refer to him as black. Why is he more black than he is white? What does it mean to be black?There are too many questions to ask. I just profoundly disagree with the notion that because the US has a mixed race president that America isn't institutionally racist when all the signs clearly present an answer to the contrary.
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well i live here and have not seen a single ounce of racism in all that time, and i have worked alongside all races and mixed with all races.
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Not all racism is overt racism, sometimes it's prejudice and a lot of the time it's subconscious. When I was younger people always used to say to me "I don't see you as black" this says to me that I have a pre-conceived idea of who you are and how you should behave and because the way you are is pleasing to me, I will accept you on a level that I feel confortable with. I'm clearly black and I don't mind if you see me as black. Not all people realise the effects of the brainwashing educational system and mainstream media.
It's these kinds of subconscious influences that enable people to make excuses for genuinely racist police officers and in turn allow racism to prevail.
comment by Hagenius Brevistylus (U11551)
Surely the reaction is fueled by experience?
The police know damn well that if they go to an inner city black neighbourhood then they are facing genuine danger, or can we not even admit that now without being called racist?
It isn't a made up statistic that most murders are inner city and predominantly black neighbourhoods.
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There will be a time when it's not just a black problem. The militarization of the police is being tested on the black community as it's the weakest in society but won't be long before we see more crap like this happening to everyone else but by then it will be too late.
comment by Beckham's Barnet (U13709)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by The_Red_Cognoscente (U9741)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Beckham's Barnet (U13709)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Rover the hill and far away (U7040)
posted 40 minutes ago
Yup - people voted for a subhuman president....
Or he's the right kind of black person - ie from wealth. Unfortunately I think a lot of the racial and social equality arises from the growing gulf in economic inequality as people get cast adrift in a culture which offers them no future.
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Barack Obama is not black, he is mixed race. The main reason people refer to him as black is because throughout Americas racist history, if you were mixed race you were considered black becaus white people wouldn't accept you as their own or even as mixed. It's kind of ridiculous that people call Barack Obama black and just because we have a mixed race person as president say to black people that racism can't exist. Do you think if Barack Obama was actually black and wanted to help the black community he would have got into office? Absolutely not.
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I seldom get involved in this kind of debate.
But i'd query that it is just an American MO classify Barrack as black.
I'd go as far as stating it mainly has to do with perceived success of said person. Rio Ferdinand, Lewis, Drake, Halle Berry - all termed black; when patently not.
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It's a complexed issue, but I honestly feel that mixed race people have a completely different experience to the majority of black people and should be recognised as such, rather than trying to lump everyone into the same category and say to the rest in that category that they shouldn't complain because a mixed race person achieved something, so what they're experiencing can't be true.
If Obama looked like Robert Mugabe he would not be in office.
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I agree. IMO, American has not had a black president.
They have however had a first mixed-race president.
Purely because it is tokenistic - oh, the blacks/African Americans have ascended the highest political office in the land. No, they haven't and it isn't ok.
Secondly, because it completely diminishes the white part of his genetic identity and that frankly is an insult to both white and blacks.
comment by The_Red_Cognoscente (U9741)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by Beckham's Barnet (U13709)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by The_Red_Cognoscente (U9741)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Beckham's Barnet (U13709)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Rover the hill and far away (U7040)
posted 40 minutes ago
Yup - people voted for a subhuman president....
Or he's the right kind of black person - ie from wealth. Unfortunately I think a lot of the racial and social equality arises from the growing gulf in economic inequality as people get cast adrift in a culture which offers them no future.
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Barack Obama is not black, he is mixed race. The main reason people refer to him as black is because throughout Americas racist history, if you were mixed race you were considered black becaus white people wouldn't accept you as their own or even as mixed. It's kind of ridiculous that people call Barack Obama black and just because we have a mixed race person as president say to black people that racism can't exist. Do you think if Barack Obama was actually black and wanted to help the black community he would have got into office? Absolutely not.
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I seldom get involved in this kind of debate.
But i'd query that it is just an American MO classify Barrack as black.
I'd go as far as stating it mainly has to do with perceived success of said person. Rio Ferdinand, Lewis, Drake, Halle Berry - all termed black; when patently not.
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It's a complexed issue, but I honestly feel that mixed race people have a completely different experience to the majority of black people and should be recognised as such, rather than trying to lump everyone into the same category and say to the rest in that category that they shouldn't complain because a mixed race person achieved something, so what they're experiencing can't be true.
If Obama looked like Robert Mugabe he would not be in office.
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I agree. IMO, American has not had a black president.
They have however had a first mixed-race president.
Purely because it is tokenistic - oh, the blacks/African Americans have ascended the highest political office in the land. No, they haven't and it isn't ok.
Secondly, because it completely diminishes the white part of his genetic identity and that frankly is an insult to both white and blacks.
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Agree completely
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posted on 8/7/16
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 4 minutes ago
what is clear is that black people are seen as sub human in America. It's a major shame but it's a country built on racism, so can you expect anything less?
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Thats a pretty dumb generalisation
I suggest you come and live here and you will see that isn't the case at all for the most part.
Yes, we do have some racial issues in parts, it was only 50 years ago that we put an end to the brain dead laws.
We saw that racism is still rife in the uk a few weeks back as well, it isn't just an american problem, its a society one.
posted on 8/7/16
"what is clear is that black people are seen as sub human in America. It's a major shame but it's a country built on racism, so can you expect anything less?"
Yup - people voted for a subhuman president....
Or he's the right kind of black person - ie from wealth. Unfortunately I think a lot of the racial and social equality arises from the growing gulf in economic inequality as people get cast adrift in a culture which offers them no future.
posted on 8/7/16
Seems quite apparent to me that the police are always on edge because they have no idea what they are walking up to.
The ridiculous gun laws we have here have created that fear of course.
But as others have said, it is the resistance from these idiots that leads to the quick escalation, why is it so dificult to just do as the officer says?
I have been pulled over twice for speeding here and have gotten off without a ticket twice. Why? Because i just do as they say and act like a normal human being.
And on top of all this the press and online warriors create an anti police mentality and now we see the results last night in Dallas.
Personally i understand that some police are sc umbags and cross a line, sadly that won't ever stop, but the amount of grief they get after each shooting is outrageous and i would fully support a nationwide police strike just to wake up the nation as to what the police are actually doing each day.
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Exactly right.
There is obviously a small percentage of racist people in all walks of life and indeed a few maybe police officers but to believe it's wide spread is wrong.
Many of the videos you see are of people refusing to provide police officers with ID, simply because they aren't required to because they've done nothing wrong.
Simple fact is, if you've done nothing wrong what do you have to hide and why be so obtrusive when asked to identify yourself?
posted on 8/7/16
Sorry my comment is poorly written, its meant to suggest that actually I don't believe that racism is the main driver of conflict, more inequality through poverty (under which more black people proportionally live).
posted on 8/7/16
comment by Rover the hill and far away (U7040)
posted 1 minute ago
"what is clear is that black people are seen as sub human in America. It's a major shame but it's a country built on racism, so can you expect anything less?"
Yup - people voted for a subhuman president....
Or he's the right kind of black person - ie from wealth. Unfortunately I think a lot of the racial and social equality arises from the growing gulf in economic inequality as people get cast adrift in a culture which offers them no future.
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Well said.
posted on 8/7/16
comment by Rover the hill and far away (U7040)
posted 11 seconds ago
Sorry my comment is poorly written, its meant to suggest that actually I don't believe that racism is the main driver of conflict, more inequality through poverty (under which more black people proportionally live).
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Thats how i took your first comment and was going to say the same a few minutes ago.
posted on 8/7/16
It's almost as if there is a race war going on, but not between black and white but between black and police.
If you count police as being a race (I know they are not but it's the mentality) then some police are being racists due to actions of a few and some black people are being racist towards the police due to the actions of a few.
What happens then is you get a disproportionate number of incidents happening between both groups and they both cannot get their heads around the fact that it is just some and not all from both groups.
I reckon if you gather the stats on number of police officers killed in comparison there will be a parallel.
posted on 8/7/16
comment by Hod idol the x factor - Mo's posh tin set! (U5117)
posted 6 minutes ago
I reckon if you gather the stats on number of police officers killed in comparison there will be a parallel.
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there was over 1000 black people killed by police last year. If there was a parallel, the military would be involved a long time ago.
posted on 8/7/16
Nowt to do with colour but as explained above, to do with circumstances.
Police spend far more time in poor, crime ridden neighbourhoods and this is where the problems stem from, blacks killed more blacks than all over deaths combined i would imagine.
posted on 8/7/16
comment by Rover the hill and far away (U7040)
posted 40 minutes ago
Yup - people voted for a subhuman president....
Or he's the right kind of black person - ie from wealth. Unfortunately I think a lot of the racial and social equality arises from the growing gulf in economic inequality as people get cast adrift in a culture which offers them no future.
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Barack Obama is not black, he is mixed race. The main reason people refer to him as black is because throughout Americas racist history, if you were mixed race you were considered black becaus white people wouldn't accept you as their own or even as mixed. It's kind of ridiculous that people call Barack Obama black and just because we have a mixed race person as president say to black people that racism can't exist. Do you think if Barack Obama was actually black and wanted to help the black community he would have got into office? Absolutely not.
posted on 8/7/16
I worked with the police for a few years and I can honestly say that the mindset when dealing with different ethnicities is different and IMO racist. This is from a policy and directive level IMO
Examples would include a white family disturbance resulting in a couple of officers being sent around and with black and Asian incidences a riot alert with dogs and multiple vehicles.
Misrepresenting evidences and collusion with agencies relying on money from community safety funds
I am an Asian male so many will see this comment as "you are bound to say that" but its true based on about 15 years working
posted on 8/7/16
Lost me here dude???
So these alleged racist police differentiate between black and mixed race?
I can assure you that EVERYBODY here considers Obama to be black.
posted on 8/7/16
comment by Euro2016! What an absolute shocker <dogshat> (U11551)
posted 4 minutes ago
Nowt to do with colour but as explained above, to do with circumstances.
Police spend far more time in poor, crime ridden neighbourhoods and this is where the problems stem from, blacks killed more blacks than all over deaths combined i would imagine.
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You're half right but the circumstances were orchestrated from the begining. If you look at a map of where black people live in the US. They're all bunched together in one corner. after slavery they were moved into the ghettos so they could easily be controlled and oppressed. Then you had klansmen infiltrating the American political and judicial infrastructure. Then you have the dehumanisation and brainwashing/stereotyping of the black male through the media and then you get cops policing these black communities from all white communities where their only experience of black people is through the media. this is systemic racism and it should not be underestimated (especially the brainwashing of the media).
posted on 8/7/16
comment by Redd Foxx (U19849)
posted 5 minutes ago
I worked with the police for a few years and I can honestly say that the mindset when dealing with different ethnicities is different and IMO racist. This is from a policy and directive level IMO
Examples would include a white family disturbance resulting in a couple of officers being sent around and with black and Asian incidences a riot alert with dogs and multiple vehicles.
Misrepresenting evidences and collusion with agencies relying on money from community safety funds
I am an Asian male so many will see this comment as "you are bound to say that" but its true based on about 15 years working
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Thank you for your honest assessment. It's nice to have someone with some inside info. I and many others already knew this but it seems the majority may still be in denial.
posted on 8/7/16
Perhaps that was the case early doors and i don't disagree regarding the fact that there is certainly some deep rooted prejudice going on.
But now the media is clearly pro black and anti police, its quite a scary movement in my opinion and the nation will suffer because of it.
Unfortunately it will take time to eliminate racism, its a generational thing as much as anything, but all i know is that the way the press report this stuff now, they are just fueling the problem.
posted on 8/7/16
comment by Beckham's Barnet (U13709)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Rover the hill and far away (U7040)
posted 40 minutes ago
Yup - people voted for a subhuman president....
Or he's the right kind of black person - ie from wealth. Unfortunately I think a lot of the racial and social equality arises from the growing gulf in economic inequality as people get cast adrift in a culture which offers them no future.
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Barack Obama is not black, he is mixed race. The main reason people refer to him as black is because throughout Americas racist history, if you were mixed race you were considered black becaus white people wouldn't accept you as their own or even as mixed. It's kind of ridiculous that people call Barack Obama black and just because we have a mixed race person as president say to black people that racism can't exist. Do you think if Barack Obama was actually black and wanted to help the black community he would have got into office? Absolutely not.
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I seldom get involved in this kind of debate.
But i'd query that it is just an American MO classify Barrack as black.
I'd go as far as stating it mainly has to do with perceived success of said person. Rio Ferdinand, Lewis, Drake, Halle Berry - all termed black; when patently not.
posted on 8/7/16
comment by Euro2016! What an absolute shocker <dogshat> (U11551)
posted 6 minutes ago
Lost me here dude???
So these alleged racist police differentiate between black and mixed race?
I can assure you that EVERYBODY here considers Obama to be black.
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Well we're educated enough to know that he is mixed race, but we still refer to him as black. Why is he more black than he is white? What does it mean to be black?There are too many questions to ask. I just profoundly disagree with the notion that because the US has a mixed race president that America isn't institutionally racist when all the signs clearly present an answer to the contrary.
posted on 8/7/16
comment by Beckham's Barnet (U13709)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Redd Foxx (U19849)
posted 5 minutes ago
I worked with the police for a few years and I can honestly say that the mindset when dealing with different ethnicities is different and IMO racist. This is from a policy and directive level IMO
Examples would include a white family disturbance resulting in a couple of officers being sent around and with black and Asian incidences a riot alert with dogs and multiple vehicles.
Misrepresenting evidences and collusion with agencies relying on money from community safety funds
I am an Asian male so many will see this comment as "you are bound to say that" but its true based on about 15 years working
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Thank you for your honest assessment. It's nice to have someone with some inside info. I and many others already knew this but it seems the majority may still be in denial.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Surely the reaction is fueled by experience?
The police know damn well that if they go to an inner city black neighbourhood then they are facing genuine danger, or can we not even admit that now without being called racist?
It isn't a made up statistic that most murders are inner city and predominantly black neighbourhoods.
posted on 8/7/16
comment by Beckham's Barnet (U13709)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Euro2016! What an absolute shocker <dogshat> (U11551)
posted 6 minutes ago
Lost me here dude???
So these alleged racist police differentiate between black and mixed race?
I can assure you that EVERYBODY here considers Obama to be black.
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Well we're educated enough to know that he is mixed race, but we still refer to him as black. Why is he more black than he is white? What does it mean to be black?There are too many questions to ask. I just profoundly disagree with the notion that because the US has a mixed race president that America isn't institutionally racist when all the signs clearly present an answer to the contrary.
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well i live here and have not seen a single ounce of racism in all that time, and i have worked alongside all races and mixed with all races.
posted on 8/7/16
comment by The_Red_Cognoscente (U9741)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Beckham's Barnet (U13709)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Rover the hill and far away (U7040)
posted 40 minutes ago
Yup - people voted for a subhuman president....
Or he's the right kind of black person - ie from wealth. Unfortunately I think a lot of the racial and social equality arises from the growing gulf in economic inequality as people get cast adrift in a culture which offers them no future.
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Barack Obama is not black, he is mixed race. The main reason people refer to him as black is because throughout Americas racist history, if you were mixed race you were considered black becaus white people wouldn't accept you as their own or even as mixed. It's kind of ridiculous that people call Barack Obama black and just because we have a mixed race person as president say to black people that racism can't exist. Do you think if Barack Obama was actually black and wanted to help the black community he would have got into office? Absolutely not.
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I seldom get involved in this kind of debate.
But i'd query that it is just an American MO classify Barrack as black.
I'd go as far as stating it mainly has to do with perceived success of said person. Rio Ferdinand, Lewis, Drake, Halle Berry - all termed black; when patently not.
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It's a complexed issue, but I honestly feel that mixed race people have a completely different experience to the majority of black people and should be recognised as such, rather than trying to lump everyone into the same category and say to the rest in that category that they shouldn't complain because a mixed race person achieved something, so what they're experiencing can't be true.
If Obama looked like Robert Mugabe he would not be in office.
posted on 8/7/16
comment by Euro2016! What an absolute shocker <dogshat> (U11551)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Beckham's Barnet (U13709)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Euro2016! What an absolute shocker <dogshat> (U11551)
posted 6 minutes ago
Lost me here dude???
So these alleged racist police differentiate between black and mixed race?
I can assure you that EVERYBODY here considers Obama to be black.
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Well we're educated enough to know that he is mixed race, but we still refer to him as black. Why is he more black than he is white? What does it mean to be black?There are too many questions to ask. I just profoundly disagree with the notion that because the US has a mixed race president that America isn't institutionally racist when all the signs clearly present an answer to the contrary.
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well i live here and have not seen a single ounce of racism in all that time, and i have worked alongside all races and mixed with all races.
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Not all racism is overt racism, sometimes it's prejudice and a lot of the time it's subconscious. When I was younger people always used to say to me "I don't see you as black" this says to me that I have a pre-conceived idea of who you are and how you should behave and because the way you are is pleasing to me, I will accept you on a level that I feel confortable with. I'm clearly black and I don't mind if you see me as black. Not all people realise the effects of the brainwashing educational system and mainstream media.
It's these kinds of subconscious influences that enable people to make excuses for genuinely racist police officers and in turn allow racism to prevail.
posted on 8/7/16
comment by Hagenius Brevistylus (U11551)
Surely the reaction is fueled by experience?
The police know damn well that if they go to an inner city black neighbourhood then they are facing genuine danger, or can we not even admit that now without being called racist?
It isn't a made up statistic that most murders are inner city and predominantly black neighbourhoods.
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There will be a time when it's not just a black problem. The militarization of the police is being tested on the black community as it's the weakest in society but won't be long before we see more crap like this happening to everyone else but by then it will be too late.
posted on 8/7/16
comment by Beckham's Barnet (U13709)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by The_Red_Cognoscente (U9741)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Beckham's Barnet (U13709)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Rover the hill and far away (U7040)
posted 40 minutes ago
Yup - people voted for a subhuman president....
Or he's the right kind of black person - ie from wealth. Unfortunately I think a lot of the racial and social equality arises from the growing gulf in economic inequality as people get cast adrift in a culture which offers them no future.
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Barack Obama is not black, he is mixed race. The main reason people refer to him as black is because throughout Americas racist history, if you were mixed race you were considered black becaus white people wouldn't accept you as their own or even as mixed. It's kind of ridiculous that people call Barack Obama black and just because we have a mixed race person as president say to black people that racism can't exist. Do you think if Barack Obama was actually black and wanted to help the black community he would have got into office? Absolutely not.
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I seldom get involved in this kind of debate.
But i'd query that it is just an American MO classify Barrack as black.
I'd go as far as stating it mainly has to do with perceived success of said person. Rio Ferdinand, Lewis, Drake, Halle Berry - all termed black; when patently not.
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It's a complexed issue, but I honestly feel that mixed race people have a completely different experience to the majority of black people and should be recognised as such, rather than trying to lump everyone into the same category and say to the rest in that category that they shouldn't complain because a mixed race person achieved something, so what they're experiencing can't be true.
If Obama looked like Robert Mugabe he would not be in office.
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I agree. IMO, American has not had a black president.
They have however had a first mixed-race president.
Purely because it is tokenistic - oh, the blacks/African Americans have ascended the highest political office in the land. No, they haven't and it isn't ok.
Secondly, because it completely diminishes the white part of his genetic identity and that frankly is an insult to both white and blacks.
posted on 8/7/16
comment by The_Red_Cognoscente (U9741)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by Beckham's Barnet (U13709)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by The_Red_Cognoscente (U9741)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Beckham's Barnet (U13709)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Rover the hill and far away (U7040)
posted 40 minutes ago
Yup - people voted for a subhuman president....
Or he's the right kind of black person - ie from wealth. Unfortunately I think a lot of the racial and social equality arises from the growing gulf in economic inequality as people get cast adrift in a culture which offers them no future.
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Barack Obama is not black, he is mixed race. The main reason people refer to him as black is because throughout Americas racist history, if you were mixed race you were considered black becaus white people wouldn't accept you as their own or even as mixed. It's kind of ridiculous that people call Barack Obama black and just because we have a mixed race person as president say to black people that racism can't exist. Do you think if Barack Obama was actually black and wanted to help the black community he would have got into office? Absolutely not.
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I seldom get involved in this kind of debate.
But i'd query that it is just an American MO classify Barrack as black.
I'd go as far as stating it mainly has to do with perceived success of said person. Rio Ferdinand, Lewis, Drake, Halle Berry - all termed black; when patently not.
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It's a complexed issue, but I honestly feel that mixed race people have a completely different experience to the majority of black people and should be recognised as such, rather than trying to lump everyone into the same category and say to the rest in that category that they shouldn't complain because a mixed race person achieved something, so what they're experiencing can't be true.
If Obama looked like Robert Mugabe he would not be in office.
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I agree. IMO, American has not had a black president.
They have however had a first mixed-race president.
Purely because it is tokenistic - oh, the blacks/African Americans have ascended the highest political office in the land. No, they haven't and it isn't ok.
Secondly, because it completely diminishes the white part of his genetic identity and that frankly is an insult to both white and blacks.
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Agree completely
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