I wouldn't be against Big Sam having a go. I think he'd play to England's strengths.
Howe fits the bill.
No "big club" or "matey superstar" players in his closet (as far as I know) and I would hope he knows better than to pick crocks or out-of-form players?
Anyone who suddenly picks-up a knock just before a friendly automatically de-selects themselves for the next 12 months too.
There are enough pro. footballers in England to pick 11 who would make a team good enough to beat Iceland!
I really like the idea of Klinsmann, I just read Rafa Honistigen's book about the German teams reboot have not getting out of the Euro 2004 group.
It basically paints the idea that while JK was not exceptional nor by any stretch one of the best managers in the world he did a superb job at instituting a new system, clearing out deadwood, blooding new players and just getting them back on track.
Low then took them onto the next level and improved them but JK basically made lots the types of big changes england need. JK with a up and coming coach as his assistant would be my ideal
comment by cheshamfox (U2001)
posted 2 minutes ago
I really like the idea of Klinsmann, I just read Rafa Honistigen's book about the German teams reboot have not getting out of the Euro 2004 group.
It basically paints the idea that while JK was not exceptional nor by any stretch one of the best managers in the world he did a superb job at instituting a new system, clearing out deadwood, blooding new players and just getting them back on track.
Low then took them onto the next level and improved them but JK basically made lots the types of big changes england need. JK with a up and coming coach as his assistant would be my ideal
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I've heard that too about Klinsmann, but in reality, what he done there as the job of a technical director, of which england already have one.
His managerial talents have long been called into question. There's a good reason why the US fans have been calling for his head for a couple of years now.
Who is our technical director then....not the ex leeds man Wilkinson is it
comment by Your Honour (U17603)
posted 1 hour, 22 minutes ago
I wouldn't be against Big Sam having a go. I think he'd play to England's strengths.
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Can you elaborate...?
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 2 minutes ago
Who is our technical director then....not the ex leeds man Wilkinson is it
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Ashcroft isn't it. One of the three guys charged with finding the manager. Him, Glenn and someone else. They're the ones who believe the system in place is fine, it just needs the right manager. they want to see the same style of football and formation applied throughout the england ranks so as there is a philosophy and level of consistency. Roy was meant to be the yes man who would implement that vision.
The idea of having a single philosophy that players have to fit into is a silly one if you ask me.
Should suit the players. Teams that do well at international are quite simply always well drilled. England didn't have a formation or any idea who was in the xi or what sort of formation it was going to be going into the tournament. Big Sam would've done better than Roy anyone, he'd have his ideas and stick with them you'd think.
they want to see the same style of football and formation applied throughout the england ranks so as there is a philosophy and level of consistency. Roy was meant to be the yes man who would implement that vision.
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That set up is kind of rigid and idealistic. Naturally, in Scotland, we have these debates before every tournament starts but how is playing one formation for every age group going to make players more tactically aware?
Football's already moved on from the Spanish blueprint. By the time you see players coming out of that set up, you're 10 years behind again. The Germans set up a system in their own style and even though Low sets his team up similar to Spain tactically, it's not just a carbon copy. France & Portugal are seeing the results of their set ups now too.
Everyone needs their own plan because how you play football is linked to the footballing culture of the country. So England aren't all of a sudden going to start playing possession football. On the other hand though you need to be comfortable on the ball, but direct football doesn't need to be the boring hoofball of Allerdyce.
yeah, maybe I typed a bit in haste without reviewing. I don;t believe it's one rigid formation, rather one football philosophy across the various age groups. So this could be a set of tactics and formations to produce a certian identity to english football, and ultimately the players will slot into that as they move through the youth team ranks.
Either way, Klinsmann is proving he can't hack it as a manager.
So I'd love england to appoint him
But what football philosophy is really going to bring England joy? Couldn't see England having success playing the tiki taka of Spain, expansive football of Germany. More the counter attack style of Jose Mourinho or contain style LVG played that I could see doing well for them.
There are a lot of things I never thought I'd see in my lifetime in sport...Chelsea winning the league and CL to name but two...
But our national side winning a major tournament I fear will be the one I'll not see...unless there is a root and branch change in attitude and thinking at the top...and this will be the problem
He is good pals with Big Sam hence the praise...
However.. Big Sam for england?? .... is that a joke?
comment by Cantona 7 (U11258)
posted 9 hours, 2 minutes ago
He is good pals with Big Sam hence the praise...
However.. Big Sam for england?? ....is that a joke?
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I fear that this may be a reality....dunno..maybe he is the right man...I know he's always been quite up to date on a lot of things...(a lot more than Roy probably)
Well...he's got the gig....best of luck old son
The difference is that Moyes was taking over the English champions. If Fergie was backing Big Sam to take over at Germany I would agree with your comparison.
Fergie is backing a decent manager, who's specialist level is lower end premier teams, teams who on their day can perform amongst the top table but are a clear level or two below them.
That is England's level. It is a sensible recommendation.
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posted on 11/7/16
I wouldn't be against Big Sam having a go. I think he'd play to England's strengths.
posted on 11/7/16
Howe fits the bill.
No "big club" or "matey superstar" players in his closet (as far as I know) and I would hope he knows better than to pick crocks or out-of-form players?
Anyone who suddenly picks-up a knock just before a friendly automatically de-selects themselves for the next 12 months too.
There are enough pro. footballers in England to pick 11 who would make a team good enough to beat Iceland!
posted on 11/7/16
I really like the idea of Klinsmann, I just read Rafa Honistigen's book about the German teams reboot have not getting out of the Euro 2004 group.
It basically paints the idea that while JK was not exceptional nor by any stretch one of the best managers in the world he did a superb job at instituting a new system, clearing out deadwood, blooding new players and just getting them back on track.
Low then took them onto the next level and improved them but JK basically made lots the types of big changes england need. JK with a up and coming coach as his assistant would be my ideal
posted on 11/7/16
comment by cheshamfox (U2001)
posted 2 minutes ago
I really like the idea of Klinsmann, I just read Rafa Honistigen's book about the German teams reboot have not getting out of the Euro 2004 group.
It basically paints the idea that while JK was not exceptional nor by any stretch one of the best managers in the world he did a superb job at instituting a new system, clearing out deadwood, blooding new players and just getting them back on track.
Low then took them onto the next level and improved them but JK basically made lots the types of big changes england need. JK with a up and coming coach as his assistant would be my ideal
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I've heard that too about Klinsmann, but in reality, what he done there as the job of a technical director, of which england already have one.
His managerial talents have long been called into question. There's a good reason why the US fans have been calling for his head for a couple of years now.
posted on 11/7/16
Who is our technical director then....not the ex leeds man Wilkinson is it
posted on 11/7/16
comment by Your Honour (U17603)
posted 1 hour, 22 minutes ago
I wouldn't be against Big Sam having a go. I think he'd play to England's strengths.
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Can you elaborate...?
posted on 11/7/16
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 2 minutes ago
Who is our technical director then....not the ex leeds man Wilkinson is it
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Ashcroft isn't it. One of the three guys charged with finding the manager. Him, Glenn and someone else. They're the ones who believe the system in place is fine, it just needs the right manager. they want to see the same style of football and formation applied throughout the england ranks so as there is a philosophy and level of consistency. Roy was meant to be the yes man who would implement that vision.
posted on 11/7/16
The idea of having a single philosophy that players have to fit into is a silly one if you ask me.
Should suit the players. Teams that do well at international are quite simply always well drilled. England didn't have a formation or any idea who was in the xi or what sort of formation it was going to be going into the tournament. Big Sam would've done better than Roy anyone, he'd have his ideas and stick with them you'd think.
posted on 11/7/16
they want to see the same style of football and formation applied throughout the england ranks so as there is a philosophy and level of consistency. Roy was meant to be the yes man who would implement that vision.
-----------------------------------
That set up is kind of rigid and idealistic. Naturally, in Scotland, we have these debates before every tournament starts but how is playing one formation for every age group going to make players more tactically aware?
Football's already moved on from the Spanish blueprint. By the time you see players coming out of that set up, you're 10 years behind again. The Germans set up a system in their own style and even though Low sets his team up similar to Spain tactically, it's not just a carbon copy. France & Portugal are seeing the results of their set ups now too.
Everyone needs their own plan because how you play football is linked to the footballing culture of the country. So England aren't all of a sudden going to start playing possession football. On the other hand though you need to be comfortable on the ball, but direct football doesn't need to be the boring hoofball of Allerdyce.
posted on 11/7/16
yeah, maybe I typed a bit in haste without reviewing. I don;t believe it's one rigid formation, rather one football philosophy across the various age groups. So this could be a set of tactics and formations to produce a certian identity to english football, and ultimately the players will slot into that as they move through the youth team ranks.
Either way, Klinsmann is proving he can't hack it as a manager.
So I'd love england to appoint him
posted on 11/7/16
But what football philosophy is really going to bring England joy? Couldn't see England having success playing the tiki taka of Spain, expansive football of Germany. More the counter attack style of Jose Mourinho or contain style LVG played that I could see doing well for them.
posted on 11/7/16
There are a lot of things I never thought I'd see in my lifetime in sport...Chelsea winning the league and CL to name but two...
But our national side winning a major tournament I fear will be the one I'll not see...unless there is a root and branch change in attitude and thinking at the top...and this will be the problem
posted on 11/7/16
He is good pals with Big Sam hence the praise...
However.. Big Sam for england?? .... is that a joke?
posted on 12/7/16
comment by Cantona 7 (U11258)
posted 9 hours, 2 minutes ago
He is good pals with Big Sam hence the praise...
However.. Big Sam for england?? ....is that a joke?
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I fear that this may be a reality....dunno..maybe he is the right man...I know he's always been quite up to date on a lot of things...(a lot more than Roy probably)
posted on 21/7/16
Well...he's got the gig....best of luck old son
posted on 21/7/16
The difference is that Moyes was taking over the English champions. If Fergie was backing Big Sam to take over at Germany I would agree with your comparison.
Fergie is backing a decent manager, who's specialist level is lower end premier teams, teams who on their day can perform amongst the top table but are a clear level or two below them.
That is England's level. It is a sensible recommendation.
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