You say Giroud isn't a 25 goal a season man then name a player who scored 3 goals all season for a promotion winning side as a better alternative?
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 4 minutes ago
You say Giroud isn't a 25 goal a season man then name a player who scored 3 goals all season for a promotion winning side as a better alternative?
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Listen, I didn't make the mess that we are in...Wenger did! I am just trying to suggest solutions.
Too much is made of a 20+ goal a season striker.
Of course it would be great to have one, but many teams have won titles without one. Didier Drogba only scored over 20 once in his Chelsea career and won 4 titles, for example.
There are better solutions than replacing someone who scores 15+ PL goals with someone who has scored 3 league goals in overy 50 appearances.
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 9 minutes ago
Too much is made of a 20+ goal a season striker.
Of course it would be great to have one, but many teams have won titles without one. Didier Drogba only scored over 20 once in his Chelsea career and won 4 titles, for example.
There are better solutions than replacing someone who scores 15+ PL goals with someone who has scored 3 league goals in overy 50 appearances.
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Great point. Proble is there is a narrative that is being spun by the media and then the actual facts are lost in it all.
People will forget that Sanchez scored 25 goals in his first season playing from the right. If we can get another striker capable of scoring about 18 but while getting the best of Sanchez and another winger then we will be ok.
I personally only want a striker who has an allround game like Benzema or Icardi. A goal poacher wont solve our issues, it will be like buying another Theo
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 3 minutes ago
Too much is made of a 20+ goal a season striker.
Of course it would be great to have one, but many teams have won titles without one. Didier Drogba only scored over 20 once in his Chelsea career and won 4 titles, for example.
There are better solutions than replacing someone who scores 15+ PL goals with someone who has scored 3 league goals in overy 50 appearances.
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You've trotted out the same rhetoric that Wenger used this time last year claiming that the goals would come from around the team. As you know this didn't happen and to boot, Giroud went on a 15 game drought. Apparently even the legend that is Henry didn't score that many when we last won the league. On the other hand Suarez is a counter example of a top scorer whose team didn't win the league. However for every one of these anomalies there are countless examples of clubs that have had top goal scorers that have practically dragged there team to the title so IMO it is important to have a clinical striker.
Actually a 20+ league goal striker is essential because of the style we play. If we played a closed counter attack style the number and quality of chances we create would be reduced. Therefore the striker would need to be capable of taking half chances. For example Drogba in a Arsenal team would score 30 goals. Whereas Drogba at Chelsea could never reach those numbers but still won a very defensive Chelsea the league. The idea that somehow we could play an open formation to expect 15+ goals from our wide players but still wouldn't need our striker to score 20+ is not logical. Its simply harder to score from a wide position than the striker position.
A 20 goal a season striker is what we've been crying out for for years! We won't win the league with wingers and midfielders chipping in with goals
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 11 minutes ago
Actually a 20+ league goal striker is essential because of the style we play. If we played a closed counter attack style the number and quality of chances we create would be reduced. Therefore the striker would need to be capable of taking half chances. For example Drogba in a Arsenal team would score 30 goals. Whereas Drogba at Chelsea could never reach those numbers but still won a very defensive Chelsea the league. The idea that somehow we could play an open formation to expect 15+ goals from our wide players but still wouldn't need our striker to score 20+ is not logical. Its simply harder to score from a wide position than the striker position.
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We can't be iffy at the back (which is the way things are at the mo) and not clinical at the front and expect to win games. The cliche, 'goals win games' didn't become a cliche because it rolls easily off the tongue but because it is factual. You cannot trivialise the importance of a clinical striker when all of the most successful clubs (now and in history) have one...they can't all be wrong. This is the reason why Mournho has brought Ibrahimovic to Old Trafford and Aguero at City is none too shabby either.
Watching Akpom will be super frustrating as the kid has countless flaws to his game but at the same time he offers something different that none of the strikers at the club do i.e. runs in behind and hunger to score goals.
Well done Wenger for becoming a puppet master.
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 41 minutes ago
Too much is made of a 20+ goal a season striker.
Of course it would be great to have one, but many teams have won titles without one. Didier Drogba only scored over 20 once in his Chelsea career and won 4 titles, for example.
There are better solutions than replacing someone who scores 15+ PL goals with someone who has scored 3 league goals in overy 50 appearances.
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So why hasn't Wenger changed anything else? For example our wingers bar Sanchez aren't good enough but he persists with them, our style of play has barely changed for years despite it clearly not working. If you don't have a 20+ goal striker then you need high scoring wingers and midfielders, we have about 2 players bar Giroud that could get 10+ goals regularly. That's not good enough, stop trying to make excuses for the manager and the club's incompetence.
Akpom may not even make it at as a championship player, no way should he be considered as an option at CF for us.
A 20 goal a season striker is what Arsenal would have if we had a top striker. The way we play and the creativity behind the striker means that CF is the scorer.
Giroud not only lacks goal scoring ability but his all round game is well below par.
No excuses for failing to find a CF again, Wenger and our scouting & negotiating team shouldn't be in jobs as they're clearly incompetent.
Giroud = slow, weak, wastes chances, lazy
Apart from going on a few good scoring runs he never can be relied upon to take the team to the top like all great forwards are capable of doing.
United - Ibra
City - Aguero
Just for example when the chips are down can rescue their team with moments of brilliance. Giroud cannot do things on his own, he's too predictable and bang average
comment by Yohan's Kebab Van (U8691)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 41 minutes ago
Too much is made of a 20+ goal a season striker.
Of course it would be great to have one, but many teams have won titles without one. Didier Drogba only scored over 20 once in his Chelsea career and won 4 titles, for example.
There are better solutions than replacing someone who scores 15+ PL goals with someone who has scored 3 league goals in overy 50 appearances.
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So why hasn't Wenger changed anything else? For example our wingers bar Sanchez aren't good enough but he persists with them, our style of play has barely changed for years despite it clearly not working. If you don't have a 20+ goal striker then you need high scoring wingers and midfielders, we have about 2 players bar Giroud that could get 10+ goals regularly. That's not good enough, stop trying to make excuses for the manager and the club's incompetence.
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So you think 3 goal Akpom is the answer?
If Sanchez wasn't as selfish last year we might have won the league.
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 21 minutes ago
If Sanchez wasn't as selfish last year we might have won the league.
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Lol, blame our best player for not winning us the league.
Can't blame him sometimes for not passing when the he knows the likes of Walcott and Giroud will never score.
comment by Gunner (U9500)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 21 minutes ago
If Sanchez wasn't as selfish last year we might have won the league.
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Lol, blame our best player for not winning us the league.
Can't blame him sometimes for not passing when the he knows the likes of Walcott and Giroud will never score.
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So he will see 3 goal Chuba and suddenly everything will be fine?
I very much doubt we will sign anyone by the Watford game and expect the fans protesting to be fa more than against Leicester.
And if we dont sign anyone, our next game after Leicester is home to Southampton. I would not be surprised to hear 20,000+ singing "We want Wenger out". I think the club may sign someone to avoid that. Hopefully a striker.
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 49 minutes ago
comment by Yohan's Kebab Van (U8691)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 41 minutes ago
Too much is made of a 20+ goal a season striker.
Of course it would be great to have one, but many teams have won titles without one. Didier Drogba only scored over 20 once in his Chelsea career and won 4 titles, for example.
There are better solutions than replacing someone who scores 15+ PL goals with someone who has scored 3 league goals in overy 50 appearances.
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So why hasn't Wenger changed anything else? For example our wingers bar Sanchez aren't good enough but he persists with them, our style of play has barely changed for years despite it clearly not working. If you don't have a 20+ goal striker then you need high scoring wingers and midfielders, we have about 2 players bar Giroud that could get 10+ goals regularly. That's not good enough, stop trying to make excuses for the manager and the club's incompetence.
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So you think 3 goal Akpom is the answer?
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No... I've already said Akpom isn't good enough.
comment by Gunner (U9500)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 21 minutes ago
If Sanchez wasn't as selfish last year we might have won the league.
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Lol, blame our best player for not winning us the league.
Can't blame him sometimes for not passing when the he knows the likes of Walcott and Giroud will never score.
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Bit silly isn't it
If we had have had vermaelen at the back grabbing a few goals we could have won too so i blame koscielny
I very much doubt we will sign anyone by the Watford game and expect the fans protesting to be fa more than against Leicester.
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I dont think we will sign anyone tbh it seems like clubs have cotton on about how we conduct our transfer business and are now airing it out in public which the club and Wenger will hate.
£35M on Xhaka
We have spent our budget
comment by Castor Troy (U8700)
posted 3 minutes ago
£35M on Xhaka
We have spent our budget
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What was the bid for Higuain? £42m + Giroud? I think there is another c£50m available.
Castor just likes to make $hit up to multiply the negativity by 10. If we'd spent our budget we wouldn't even be bidding for more players.
Look how much better we are as a team when Welbeck's upfront instead of Giroud, Sanchez and Walcott (apart from one run of games) because there's variation to how you can play off him. It's not just either hit long balls into and hope for knockdowns or over the top, he can do a bit of both like Akpom. He's scored at every level and although last season he was poor I think it was partly down to not believing that no matter what he does it's not going to be good enough for Wenger.
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posted on 23/8/16
Not good enough.
posted on 23/8/16
You say Giroud isn't a 25 goal a season man then name a player who scored 3 goals all season for a promotion winning side as a better alternative?
posted on 23/8/16
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 4 minutes ago
You say Giroud isn't a 25 goal a season man then name a player who scored 3 goals all season for a promotion winning side as a better alternative?
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Listen, I didn't make the mess that we are in...Wenger did! I am just trying to suggest solutions.
posted on 23/8/16
Too much is made of a 20+ goal a season striker.
Of course it would be great to have one, but many teams have won titles without one. Didier Drogba only scored over 20 once in his Chelsea career and won 4 titles, for example.
There are better solutions than replacing someone who scores 15+ PL goals with someone who has scored 3 league goals in overy 50 appearances.
posted on 23/8/16
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 9 minutes ago
Too much is made of a 20+ goal a season striker.
Of course it would be great to have one, but many teams have won titles without one. Didier Drogba only scored over 20 once in his Chelsea career and won 4 titles, for example.
There are better solutions than replacing someone who scores 15+ PL goals with someone who has scored 3 league goals in overy 50 appearances.
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Great point. Proble is there is a narrative that is being spun by the media and then the actual facts are lost in it all.
People will forget that Sanchez scored 25 goals in his first season playing from the right. If we can get another striker capable of scoring about 18 but while getting the best of Sanchez and another winger then we will be ok.
I personally only want a striker who has an allround game like Benzema or Icardi. A goal poacher wont solve our issues, it will be like buying another Theo
posted on 23/8/16
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 3 minutes ago
Too much is made of a 20+ goal a season striker.
Of course it would be great to have one, but many teams have won titles without one. Didier Drogba only scored over 20 once in his Chelsea career and won 4 titles, for example.
There are better solutions than replacing someone who scores 15+ PL goals with someone who has scored 3 league goals in overy 50 appearances.
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You've trotted out the same rhetoric that Wenger used this time last year claiming that the goals would come from around the team. As you know this didn't happen and to boot, Giroud went on a 15 game drought. Apparently even the legend that is Henry didn't score that many when we last won the league. On the other hand Suarez is a counter example of a top scorer whose team didn't win the league. However for every one of these anomalies there are countless examples of clubs that have had top goal scorers that have practically dragged there team to the title so IMO it is important to have a clinical striker.
posted on 23/8/16
Actually a 20+ league goal striker is essential because of the style we play. If we played a closed counter attack style the number and quality of chances we create would be reduced. Therefore the striker would need to be capable of taking half chances. For example Drogba in a Arsenal team would score 30 goals. Whereas Drogba at Chelsea could never reach those numbers but still won a very defensive Chelsea the league. The idea that somehow we could play an open formation to expect 15+ goals from our wide players but still wouldn't need our striker to score 20+ is not logical. Its simply harder to score from a wide position than the striker position.
posted on 23/8/16
A 20 goal a season striker is what we've been crying out for for years! We won't win the league with wingers and midfielders chipping in with goals
posted on 23/8/16
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 11 minutes ago
Actually a 20+ league goal striker is essential because of the style we play. If we played a closed counter attack style the number and quality of chances we create would be reduced. Therefore the striker would need to be capable of taking half chances. For example Drogba in a Arsenal team would score 30 goals. Whereas Drogba at Chelsea could never reach those numbers but still won a very defensive Chelsea the league. The idea that somehow we could play an open formation to expect 15+ goals from our wide players but still wouldn't need our striker to score 20+ is not logical. Its simply harder to score from a wide position than the striker position.
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We can't be iffy at the back (which is the way things are at the mo) and not clinical at the front and expect to win games. The cliche, 'goals win games' didn't become a cliche because it rolls easily off the tongue but because it is factual. You cannot trivialise the importance of a clinical striker when all of the most successful clubs (now and in history) have one...they can't all be wrong. This is the reason why Mournho has brought Ibrahimovic to Old Trafford and Aguero at City is none too shabby either.
posted on 23/8/16
Watching Akpom will be super frustrating as the kid has countless flaws to his game but at the same time he offers something different that none of the strikers at the club do i.e. runs in behind and hunger to score goals.
Well done Wenger for becoming a puppet master.
posted on 23/8/16
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 41 minutes ago
Too much is made of a 20+ goal a season striker.
Of course it would be great to have one, but many teams have won titles without one. Didier Drogba only scored over 20 once in his Chelsea career and won 4 titles, for example.
There are better solutions than replacing someone who scores 15+ PL goals with someone who has scored 3 league goals in overy 50 appearances.
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So why hasn't Wenger changed anything else? For example our wingers bar Sanchez aren't good enough but he persists with them, our style of play has barely changed for years despite it clearly not working. If you don't have a 20+ goal striker then you need high scoring wingers and midfielders, we have about 2 players bar Giroud that could get 10+ goals regularly. That's not good enough, stop trying to make excuses for the manager and the club's incompetence.
posted on 23/8/16
Akpom may not even make it at as a championship player, no way should he be considered as an option at CF for us.
A 20 goal a season striker is what Arsenal would have if we had a top striker. The way we play and the creativity behind the striker means that CF is the scorer.
Giroud not only lacks goal scoring ability but his all round game is well below par.
No excuses for failing to find a CF again, Wenger and our scouting & negotiating team shouldn't be in jobs as they're clearly incompetent.
posted on 23/8/16
Giroud = slow, weak, wastes chances, lazy
Apart from going on a few good scoring runs he never can be relied upon to take the team to the top like all great forwards are capable of doing.
United - Ibra
City - Aguero
Just for example when the chips are down can rescue their team with moments of brilliance. Giroud cannot do things on his own, he's too predictable and bang average
posted on 23/8/16
comment by Yohan's Kebab Van (U8691)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 41 minutes ago
Too much is made of a 20+ goal a season striker.
Of course it would be great to have one, but many teams have won titles without one. Didier Drogba only scored over 20 once in his Chelsea career and won 4 titles, for example.
There are better solutions than replacing someone who scores 15+ PL goals with someone who has scored 3 league goals in overy 50 appearances.
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So why hasn't Wenger changed anything else? For example our wingers bar Sanchez aren't good enough but he persists with them, our style of play has barely changed for years despite it clearly not working. If you don't have a 20+ goal striker then you need high scoring wingers and midfielders, we have about 2 players bar Giroud that could get 10+ goals regularly. That's not good enough, stop trying to make excuses for the manager and the club's incompetence.
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So you think 3 goal Akpom is the answer?
posted on 23/8/16
If Sanchez wasn't as selfish last year we might have won the league.
posted on 23/8/16
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 21 minutes ago
If Sanchez wasn't as selfish last year we might have won the league.
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Lol, blame our best player for not winning us the league.
Can't blame him sometimes for not passing when the he knows the likes of Walcott and Giroud will never score.
posted on 23/8/16
comment by Gunner (U9500)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 21 minutes ago
If Sanchez wasn't as selfish last year we might have won the league.
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Lol, blame our best player for not winning us the league.
Can't blame him sometimes for not passing when the he knows the likes of Walcott and Giroud will never score.
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So he will see 3 goal Chuba and suddenly everything will be fine?
posted on 23/8/16
I very much doubt we will sign anyone by the Watford game and expect the fans protesting to be fa more than against Leicester.
And if we dont sign anyone, our next game after Leicester is home to Southampton. I would not be surprised to hear 20,000+ singing "We want Wenger out". I think the club may sign someone to avoid that. Hopefully a striker.
posted on 23/8/16
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 49 minutes ago
comment by Yohan's Kebab Van (U8691)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 41 minutes ago
Too much is made of a 20+ goal a season striker.
Of course it would be great to have one, but many teams have won titles without one. Didier Drogba only scored over 20 once in his Chelsea career and won 4 titles, for example.
There are better solutions than replacing someone who scores 15+ PL goals with someone who has scored 3 league goals in overy 50 appearances.
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So why hasn't Wenger changed anything else? For example our wingers bar Sanchez aren't good enough but he persists with them, our style of play has barely changed for years despite it clearly not working. If you don't have a 20+ goal striker then you need high scoring wingers and midfielders, we have about 2 players bar Giroud that could get 10+ goals regularly. That's not good enough, stop trying to make excuses for the manager and the club's incompetence.
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So you think 3 goal Akpom is the answer?
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No... I've already said Akpom isn't good enough.
posted on 23/8/16
comment by Gunner (U9500)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 21 minutes ago
If Sanchez wasn't as selfish last year we might have won the league.
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Lol, blame our best player for not winning us the league.
Can't blame him sometimes for not passing when the he knows the likes of Walcott and Giroud will never score.
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Bit silly isn't it
If we had have had vermaelen at the back grabbing a few goals we could have won too so i blame koscielny
posted on 23/8/16
I very much doubt we will sign anyone by the Watford game and expect the fans protesting to be fa more than against Leicester.
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I dont think we will sign anyone tbh it seems like clubs have cotton on about how we conduct our transfer business and are now airing it out in public which the club and Wenger will hate.
posted on 23/8/16
£35M on Xhaka
We have spent our budget
posted on 23/8/16
comment by Castor Troy (U8700)
posted 3 minutes ago
£35M on Xhaka
We have spent our budget
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What was the bid for Higuain? £42m + Giroud? I think there is another c£50m available.
posted on 23/8/16
Castor just likes to make $hit up to multiply the negativity by 10. If we'd spent our budget we wouldn't even be bidding for more players.
posted on 23/8/16
Look how much better we are as a team when Welbeck's upfront instead of Giroud, Sanchez and Walcott (apart from one run of games) because there's variation to how you can play off him. It's not just either hit long balls into and hope for knockdowns or over the top, he can do a bit of both like Akpom. He's scored at every level and although last season he was poor I think it was partly down to not believing that no matter what he does it's not going to be good enough for Wenger.
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