The Dutch inspired AC Milan side were superb
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comment by squid ..Glass half FULL.. (U1125)
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People find it so easy to make sweeping statements , IN MY OPINION only MY opinion there have been so many better club sides that Peps Barca
I'm not saying he's a poor manager just that the media hav gone way over the top with him....I think he MAY have made a mistake with his keeper , oly time will tell
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Name some better club sides than Peps Barcelona this should be a laugh even Fergie said they are the best side he's ever come up against
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AC Milan of the late 80s and early 90s would probably get a shout, although we did not have the coverage we do now.
http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/newsid=2213362.html
Van Basten, Gullit, Rijkaard, Baresi, Maldini et al
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Mentioned them earlier best side i've seen since then
It was good, but not Pep's Barca level. Milan is perhaps a bit old for me to judge but they were the only ones thrown out there as being potentially better.
It was good was in reference to Juventus
Whether or not the were the best, second or fifth best will always be a matter of preference and opinion, but I'd say there's a widespread consensus that he turned them into ONE OF the best club sides ever.
As for it being easy, managers will come and go at clubs like Madrid, Barça or any other who've been the dominant financial forces in their respective eras, but precious few ever make the mark Guardiola did at Barça.
And it's not just the trophies, but achieving it with the exhilarating brand of football they played in those early years. The detractors who've since labelled it 'boring tiki-taka' either really weren't watching in those opening years or have bundled the more conservative possession football played later together with the verve and speed of passing of the opening years. (For pure entertainment value, his first season there is still far and away my favourite even if the style hadn't been as well polished as in 2011).
What I do find a bit ironic is that the same man might be resonsible for depriving us of another club side that might have earned itself a similar place in the history books had he not joined. Admittedly I didn't watch Bayern in their treble year nearly as much as I saw Barça 09-11, but what I did see was absolutely fantastic stuff too. Unfortunately, whatever mark they might have made had Heynckes not stepped/been pushed aside is something we'll never know.
Hate to say this as a Spurs fan but United's Euro Cup side with Best , Law and Charton were stunning
Were they as good , just a matter of opinion
Forgot to add...even as a Madrid fan, I harbour no bitterness towards the Barça of those years - more a debt of gratitude as a footy fan to having been treated time after time to such a marvellous spectacle.
comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
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It was good was in reference to Juventus
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No, I was not saying they were anywhere near . Just throwing another name in the mix. Very good side though
Most on here can't comment on the Milan side.
Then you have di Stefano's Real Madrid,
Barca were the best of their generation, which is the only barometer which can be fairly used,
With the above caveat of what Heynckes' might have achieved had it not been cut short, Sacchi's Milan would be the only club that imo could hold a candle to Guardiola's Barça.
Watched them in the flesh against a formidable Madrid team and they were as close to impenetrable as I've ever seen. For overall balance, I'd certainly put them ahead of 09-11 Barça, but being the attacking football sucker that I am, the latter just brought me that much more enjoyment.
Another thing is that there's a tendency to wax more lyrical about sides from bygone days. Truth of the matter is Milan would also struggle at times, and very specifically were a controversial replay away vs one of the Yugoslav sides (Red Star or Partizan, I always muddle them) from never even becoming the force that would soon come into being.
I feel the Tottenham side of the late 90s and early 2000s deserve a mention
you telling me that pique and puyol wouldn't have been fretting at the prospect of having gary Doherty and matty etherington bearing down on them?
messi iniesta xavi wouldn't have had a sniff against paolo tremezzani and ben thatcher after.
barca can lick myballsack
I despair for people who love football yet do not rate what pep did at Barcelona. A team has never been so well drilled in an attacking sense as that one.
comment by Chronic (U3423)
posted 2 minutes ago
I feel the Tottenham side of the late 90s and early 2000s deserve a mention
you telling me that pique and puyol wouldn't have been fretting at the prospect of having gary Doherty and matty etherington bearing down on them?
messi iniesta xavi wouldn't have had a sniff against paolo tremezzani and ben thatcher after.
barca can lick myballsack
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I saw Chelsea beat us 6-1 at home in 1997, with Jody Morris and some other nomark playing for them.
Can you imagine what Pep's mob would have done? Jeez. I reckon 20-0
Some great comments on here , Cheers for a top notch debate
Nobody was right or wrong but all opinions are equally valid
Cheers gents
Think this will be his greatest challenge so far. The EPL demands top performances every week. He has a big squad packed with quality but our league plus the demands of the CL and the lack of a winter break really takes its toll. The top teams in Spain and Germany can cruise through parts of their season.
My expectation was it would take a season for him to acclimatise to the EPL, mainly the pressure and the games coming thick and fast, but would certainly dominate from then on. Jose knows better how to slug out an EPL season.
They did look a bit formidable vs Utd but Jose made it easy for them with his negative tactics.
I see their weaknesses as their keeper (a bit flappy) their LB (much better going forward than defending) and not that impressed with their current 2 CBs, mistakes in them. I think the likes of Liverpool and Spurs will stand a better chance of a result as these are teams that press and attack, not sit back and counter.
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Sorry but come down from inside your own backside
Everybody is entitled to their own opinion , as are you but don't despair for people who disagree with you
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 4 minutes ago
Think this will be his greatest challenge so far. The EPL demands top performances every week. He has a big squad packed with quality but our league plus the demands of the CL and the lack of a winter break really takes its toll. The top teams in Spain and Germany can cruise through parts of their season.
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I think Conte learned that lesson this weekend.
even the "weaker" sides will punish you if you are not quite at it.
Opinions are sometimes wrong squid.
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Opinions are sometimes wrong squid.
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opinions can be proved wrong, but until they are they are all opinions are valid.
I'm of the opinion that we are ruled by giraffe overlords that live in an ice mountain somewhere off of Greenland. Prove me wrong.
comment by Jordan Henderson's Backheel (Formally Kelly Is God) (U6983)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
Can't help but feel though that any success he brings to City these season will be a little overshadowed by the huge net spend. I think he knew he had an aging squad though and needed to bring in some of the top young talent hence the overinflated fees for Stones and Sane and the like.
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and how many newbies started yesterday? ?This is the same team as last year with Stones replacing the injured Kompany and Nolito instead of Navas.
I'm of the opinion that we are ruled by giraffe overlords that live in an ice mountain somewhere off of Greenland
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I thought I was the only one who knew about that
Barça cruised to defeat at home against a newly promoted side at the weekend.
Your point isn't devoid of all truth Devonshire, but it's massively overstated.
But the media hate City, there's a conspiracy against them, they never get any praise
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posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
Samba scarf
Sorry but come down from inside your own backside
Everybody is entitled to their own opinion , as are you but don't despair for people who disagree with you
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posted on 12/9/16
The Dutch inspired AC Milan side were superb
posted on 12/9/16
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Vic Mackey "Just wait til Pep goes to pla... (U19237)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by squid ..Glass half FULL.. (U1125)
posted 25 seconds ago
People find it so easy to make sweeping statements , IN MY OPINION only MY opinion there have been so many better club sides that Peps Barca
I'm not saying he's a poor manager just that the media hav gone way over the top with him....I think he MAY have made a mistake with his keeper , oly time will tell
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Name some better club sides than Peps Barcelona this should be a laugh even Fergie said they are the best side he's ever come up against
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AC Milan of the late 80s and early 90s would probably get a shout, although we did not have the coverage we do now.
http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/newsid=2213362.html
Van Basten, Gullit, Rijkaard, Baresi, Maldini et al
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Mentioned them earlier best side i've seen since then
posted on 12/9/16
It was good, but not Pep's Barca level. Milan is perhaps a bit old for me to judge but they were the only ones thrown out there as being potentially better.
posted on 12/9/16
It was good was in reference to Juventus
posted on 12/9/16
Whether or not the were the best, second or fifth best will always be a matter of preference and opinion, but I'd say there's a widespread consensus that he turned them into ONE OF the best club sides ever.
As for it being easy, managers will come and go at clubs like Madrid, Barça or any other who've been the dominant financial forces in their respective eras, but precious few ever make the mark Guardiola did at Barça.
And it's not just the trophies, but achieving it with the exhilarating brand of football they played in those early years. The detractors who've since labelled it 'boring tiki-taka' either really weren't watching in those opening years or have bundled the more conservative possession football played later together with the verve and speed of passing of the opening years. (For pure entertainment value, his first season there is still far and away my favourite even if the style hadn't been as well polished as in 2011).
What I do find a bit ironic is that the same man might be resonsible for depriving us of another club side that might have earned itself a similar place in the history books had he not joined. Admittedly I didn't watch Bayern in their treble year nearly as much as I saw Barça 09-11, but what I did see was absolutely fantastic stuff too. Unfortunately, whatever mark they might have made had Heynckes not stepped/been pushed aside is something we'll never know.
posted on 12/9/16
Hate to say this as a Spurs fan but United's Euro Cup side with Best , Law and Charton were stunning
Were they as good , just a matter of opinion
posted on 12/9/16
Forgot to add...even as a Madrid fan, I harbour no bitterness towards the Barça of those years - more a debt of gratitude as a footy fan to having been treated time after time to such a marvellous spectacle.
posted on 12/9/16
comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 4 minutes ago
It was good was in reference to Juventus
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No, I was not saying they were anywhere near . Just throwing another name in the mix. Very good side though
posted on 12/9/16
Most on here can't comment on the Milan side.
Then you have di Stefano's Real Madrid,
Barca were the best of their generation, which is the only barometer which can be fairly used,
posted on 12/9/16
With the above caveat of what Heynckes' might have achieved had it not been cut short, Sacchi's Milan would be the only club that imo could hold a candle to Guardiola's Barça.
Watched them in the flesh against a formidable Madrid team and they were as close to impenetrable as I've ever seen. For overall balance, I'd certainly put them ahead of 09-11 Barça, but being the attacking football sucker that I am, the latter just brought me that much more enjoyment.
Another thing is that there's a tendency to wax more lyrical about sides from bygone days. Truth of the matter is Milan would also struggle at times, and very specifically were a controversial replay away vs one of the Yugoslav sides (Red Star or Partizan, I always muddle them) from never even becoming the force that would soon come into being.
posted on 12/9/16
I feel the Tottenham side of the late 90s and early 2000s deserve a mention
you telling me that pique and puyol wouldn't have been fretting at the prospect of having gary Doherty and matty etherington bearing down on them?
messi iniesta xavi wouldn't have had a sniff against paolo tremezzani and ben thatcher after.
barca can lick myballsack
posted on 12/9/16
I despair for people who love football yet do not rate what pep did at Barcelona. A team has never been so well drilled in an attacking sense as that one.
posted on 12/9/16
comment by Chronic (U3423)
posted 2 minutes ago
I feel the Tottenham side of the late 90s and early 2000s deserve a mention
you telling me that pique and puyol wouldn't have been fretting at the prospect of having gary Doherty and matty etherington bearing down on them?
messi iniesta xavi wouldn't have had a sniff against paolo tremezzani and ben thatcher after.
barca can lick myballsack
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I saw Chelsea beat us 6-1 at home in 1997, with Jody Morris and some other nomark playing for them.
Can you imagine what Pep's mob would have done? Jeez. I reckon 20-0
posted on 12/9/16
Some great comments on here , Cheers for a top notch debate
Nobody was right or wrong but all opinions are equally valid
Cheers gents
posted on 12/9/16
Think this will be his greatest challenge so far. The EPL demands top performances every week. He has a big squad packed with quality but our league plus the demands of the CL and the lack of a winter break really takes its toll. The top teams in Spain and Germany can cruise through parts of their season.
My expectation was it would take a season for him to acclimatise to the EPL, mainly the pressure and the games coming thick and fast, but would certainly dominate from then on. Jose knows better how to slug out an EPL season.
They did look a bit formidable vs Utd but Jose made it easy for them with his negative tactics.
I see their weaknesses as their keeper (a bit flappy) their LB (much better going forward than defending) and not that impressed with their current 2 CBs, mistakes in them. I think the likes of Liverpool and Spurs will stand a better chance of a result as these are teams that press and attack, not sit back and counter.
posted on 12/9/16
Samba scarf
Sorry but come down from inside your own backside
Everybody is entitled to their own opinion , as are you but don't despair for people who disagree with you
posted on 12/9/16
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 4 minutes ago
Think this will be his greatest challenge so far. The EPL demands top performances every week. He has a big squad packed with quality but our league plus the demands of the CL and the lack of a winter break really takes its toll. The top teams in Spain and Germany can cruise through parts of their season.
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I think Conte learned that lesson this weekend.
even the "weaker" sides will punish you if you are not quite at it.
posted on 12/9/16
Opinions are sometimes wrong squid.
posted on 12/9/16
comment by #Pogback (U17834)
posted 3 minutes ago
Opinions are sometimes wrong squid.
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opinions can be proved wrong, but until they are they are all opinions are valid.
posted on 12/9/16
I'm of the opinion that we are ruled by giraffe overlords that live in an ice mountain somewhere off of Greenland. Prove me wrong.
posted on 12/9/16
comment by Jordan Henderson's Backheel (Formally Kelly Is God) (U6983)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
Can't help but feel though that any success he brings to City these season will be a little overshadowed by the huge net spend. I think he knew he had an aging squad though and needed to bring in some of the top young talent hence the overinflated fees for Stones and Sane and the like.
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and how many newbies started yesterday? ?This is the same team as last year with Stones replacing the injured Kompany and Nolito instead of Navas.
posted on 12/9/16
I'm of the opinion that we are ruled by giraffe overlords that live in an ice mountain somewhere off of Greenland
..............................................................
I thought I was the only one who knew about that
posted on 12/9/16
Barça cruised to defeat at home against a newly promoted side at the weekend.
Your point isn't devoid of all truth Devonshire, but it's massively overstated.
posted on 12/9/16
But the media hate City, there's a conspiracy against them, they never get any praise
posted on 12/9/16
comment by squid ..Glass half FULL.. (U1125)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
Samba scarf
Sorry but come down from inside your own backside
Everybody is entitled to their own opinion , as are you but don't despair for people who disagree with you
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People can have wrong opinions. In my experience people who use 'their opinion' as reasoning usually have little in the way of logic behind their stance.
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