comment by The Guvnor IV -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
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Brook has 25 KO's on his record at welter. He can punch more than hard enough to give Khan nightmares.
IMO its really that simple.
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Aside from Golovkin and Porter, Brook's record is full of mediocre fighters.
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Mediocre is not the same as durable. A durable, less talented boxer can be quite something, see Carl Froch for example. Khan, however, is not durable, and there lies the rub.
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Vik
We've been here before with Khan. He is not an elite boxer. Like D4 said. He's one dimensional. Before every fight he becomes this slick boxer that will get a points victory using his fast hands but it never pans out like that because the guy cannot box elite fighters with a punch. He is careless, carries very little power and has no defence or chin.
Guv, I hate to break this to you, but its all speculation at this point. Nowt wrong with that
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comment by The Guvnor IV -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 2 hours, 49 minutes ago
If the fight happens at 147, I'd favour Khan. Brook's power at 147 isn't as good as it would be at 154. He drains himself to make 147. Khan could decision Brook using his speed but then Brook could land a big shot so it it's a 50/50 fight for me at 147.
At 154, I'd favour Brook.
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>doh> You do realize Brook has never really fought at 154lbs
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comment by The Guvnor IV -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
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comment by The Guvnor IV -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
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If the fight happens at 147, I'd favour Khan. Brook's power at 147 isn't as good as it would be at 154. He drains himself to make 147. Khan could decision Brook using his speed but then Brook could land a big shot so it it's a 50/50 fight for me at 147.
At 154, I'd favour Brook.
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>doh> You do realize Brook has never really fought at 154lbs
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Yes but he's a massive welterweight who has gone on the record as saying he kills himself to make 147. 154 is the ideal weight class for him.
How well Brook does at 154 remains to be seen but he'd have a better chance of beating Khan at 154 than 147 in my opinion.
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That because he will have to kill himself to make 147lbs now, and will be weak at the weight.
Brook hits harder than Prescott, Garcia and a lot of b&c grade fighters that put Khan down
He is also bigger, stronger, similar height and reach, fast feet and hands.
Khan can win, and Wayne Rooney can be top goal scorer in the Premiership this season, but that is not where the smart money is going
Just because Khan schooled him sparring a few back, doesn't count for much what is here and now.
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Khan has the hand speed and footwork to win rounds against Brook, but Brook times his punches very well and also has quick hands. Add in the angles he finds and his variety then at some point he is going to catch Khan and Khan will get sparked or unravel.
The fight will get made at some point. Too much money to be made. It's just a matter of when.
50/50 fight at 147 as Brook would be drained again whereas it would be more suited to Khan, would just favour Brook if I had to pick. Brook wipes out Khan at 154 however
Khan would be awkward and try to use he speed advantage for as long as possible, but ultimately once Brook starts landing the tide will turn and it's game over. Whatever weight they fought at, Brook would weigh in on fight night around 14lbs heavier and he'd make it count. Khan simply can't take punches
Khan's record speaks for itself. We know he is proven
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Khan isn't exactly proven at welterweight as an elite fighter. He hasn't faced a truly top class fighter at 147 yet. Brook has and he beat him hence why he's currently a welterweight world champion and Khan isn't.
Khan needs to fight a Thurman, Porter or Garcia at 147 and Danny Swift already beat the crap out of Khan at 140.
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I'd say that Shawn Porter is an A level fighter at 147, his only two losses came to two of the very best fighters in the division in Thurman and Brook in close decisions.
By comparison since stepping up from 140 has Khan actually beaten an A level fighter ?
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Porter isn't an A level 147lber in my eyes. Who has he beaten?
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Porter beat Adrien Broner last year, a name that I'm sure Khan would like to have on his resume at 147. Both Porter's losses against Thurman and Brook were very close fights. He didn't get ktfo like Khan so often does.
I don't think that you're going to find too many people who don't think that Porter is one of the better fighters at 147 right now.
As I said, Khan might not have faced the best at 147
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He hasn't fought any of the best at 147, that's my point and there's not exactly a shortage of very good fighters at WW right now.
All we hear from Khan is how Brook hasn't fought in enough really big fights yet which is right but Khan himself is guilty of the same thing at 147.
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I don't remember saying that AB was a top fighter, I don't rate him that highly but he is a big name especially in US and Porter beat him albeit at a 144 catch weight.
Again I'm not denying that Khan has faced better opponents than Brook but that's not saying a huge amount when you look at Brook's resume at this stage.
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posted on 20/9/16
comment by The Guvnor IV -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Secsual Harrassment Panda (U18716)
posted 8 minutes ago
Brook has 25 KO's on his record at welter. He can punch more than hard enough to give Khan nightmares.
IMO its really that simple.
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Aside from Golovkin and Porter, Brook's record is full of mediocre fighters.
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Mediocre is not the same as durable. A durable, less talented boxer can be quite something, see Carl Froch for example. Khan, however, is not durable, and there lies the rub.
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Vik
We've been here before with Khan. He is not an elite boxer. Like D4 said. He's one dimensional. Before every fight he becomes this slick boxer that will get a points victory using his fast hands but it never pans out like that because the guy cannot box elite fighters with a punch. He is careless, carries very little power and has no defence or chin.
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Guv, I hate to break this to you, but its all speculation at this point. Nowt wrong with that
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Wow.
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comment by The Guvnor IV -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 2 hours, 49 minutes ago
If the fight happens at 147, I'd favour Khan. Brook's power at 147 isn't as good as it would be at 154. He drains himself to make 147. Khan could decision Brook using his speed but then Brook could land a big shot so it it's a 50/50 fight for me at 147.
At 154, I'd favour Brook.
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>doh> You do realize Brook has never really fought at 154lbs
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comment by The Guvnor IV -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
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comment by D4thincarnation (U2520)
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comment by The Guvnor IV -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
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If the fight happens at 147, I'd favour Khan. Brook's power at 147 isn't as good as it would be at 154. He drains himself to make 147. Khan could decision Brook using his speed but then Brook could land a big shot so it it's a 50/50 fight for me at 147.
At 154, I'd favour Brook.
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>doh> You do realize Brook has never really fought at 154lbs
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Yes but he's a massive welterweight who has gone on the record as saying he kills himself to make 147. 154 is the ideal weight class for him.
How well Brook does at 154 remains to be seen but he'd have a better chance of beating Khan at 154 than 147 in my opinion.
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That because he will have to kill himself to make 147lbs now, and will be weak at the weight.
Brook hits harder than Prescott, Garcia and a lot of b&c grade fighters that put Khan down
He is also bigger, stronger, similar height and reach, fast feet and hands.
Khan can win, and Wayne Rooney can be top goal scorer in the Premiership this season, but that is not where the smart money is going
Just because Khan schooled him sparring a few back, doesn't count for much what is here and now.
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Khan has the hand speed and footwork to win rounds against Brook, but Brook times his punches very well and also has quick hands. Add in the angles he finds and his variety then at some point he is going to catch Khan and Khan will get sparked or unravel.
The fight will get made at some point. Too much money to be made. It's just a matter of when.
posted on 21/9/16
50/50 fight at 147 as Brook would be drained again whereas it would be more suited to Khan, would just favour Brook if I had to pick. Brook wipes out Khan at 154 however
Khan would be awkward and try to use he speed advantage for as long as possible, but ultimately once Brook starts landing the tide will turn and it's game over. Whatever weight they fought at, Brook would weigh in on fight night around 14lbs heavier and he'd make it count. Khan simply can't take punches
posted on 23/9/16
Khan's record speaks for itself. We know he is proven
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Khan isn't exactly proven at welterweight as an elite fighter. He hasn't faced a truly top class fighter at 147 yet. Brook has and he beat him hence why he's currently a welterweight world champion and Khan isn't.
Khan needs to fight a Thurman, Porter or Garcia at 147 and Danny Swift already beat the crap out of Khan at 140.
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I'd say that Shawn Porter is an A level fighter at 147, his only two losses came to two of the very best fighters in the division in Thurman and Brook in close decisions.
By comparison since stepping up from 140 has Khan actually beaten an A level fighter ?
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Porter isn't an A level 147lber in my eyes. Who has he beaten?
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Porter beat Adrien Broner last year, a name that I'm sure Khan would like to have on his resume at 147. Both Porter's losses against Thurman and Brook were very close fights. He didn't get ktfo like Khan so often does.
I don't think that you're going to find too many people who don't think that Porter is one of the better fighters at 147 right now.
posted on 23/9/16
As I said, Khan might not have faced the best at 147
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He hasn't fought any of the best at 147, that's my point and there's not exactly a shortage of very good fighters at WW right now.
All we hear from Khan is how Brook hasn't fought in enough really big fights yet which is right but Khan himself is guilty of the same thing at 147.
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I don't remember saying that AB was a top fighter, I don't rate him that highly but he is a big name especially in US and Porter beat him albeit at a 144 catch weight.
Again I'm not denying that Khan has faced better opponents than Brook but that's not saying a huge amount when you look at Brook's resume at this stage.
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