We've got players like lingard in the side I'm not sure what people actually expect.
comment by Genius_AppleCart_Space_Dude_Featuring_Zorak (Doom merchant) (U19099)
posted 36 minutes ago
To be honest I dont think England fans expectations,me included,are that high.
I just want to see some entertaining attacking football and ,we have at the very least, got players who can deliver in that regard.
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And in some games, they show that.
comment by Micky Madlips (U1250)
posted 3 hours, 12 minutes ago
172. Posted by Sandy on
3 hours ago
Is it me or do they general public think they know more than the coaches and managers who earn a living from football?
Hilarious. If the experts believe that Rooney warrants a place (and most of them do), who are we to argue.
They understand the game better than we do, otherwise anyone of you would be England manager heavens forbid
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Sandy defending Rooney
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Yeah, I saw that as well
Because England are just sh111t
1) Every team has average players. England actually have more good players than most of the top national teams.
2) This is a problem though.
Getting excited over beating mediocre teams never turning up for the big ones.
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One final in 60+ years of internationals. And even that was on home soil.
Clearly the problems are much deeper than the PL, players being overpaid or any of the rest of it.
1. The game needs investment at junior level.
2. Kids need to taught to play not just hoof.
3. The media need to back off.
4. Need to pick and stick with a good manager - regardless of nationality.
5. Play people who are in form and not just big names.
And finally regard getting to the QFs as a success.
I don't think we solutions just pick players on form. Some players his form for clubs but don't do it for country and then there are those who play well for country than their teams (look at Welbeck and Kane for England, the former performs better for country than his team, while the latter is the opposite. Also Milan Baros, remember him? Rubbish for club, legend for country).
We need to choose a team and style and stick with it, with some changes here and there but nothing wholesale. Tottenham have the most players (Walker, Rose, Dier, Dele and Kane) in the current England starting 11, so we should adopt similar style to them. Get in the other players who play in a similar system to fill in the gaps, with tweaks were needed. Of course it's easy to say all this. Putting it into practise is much harder.
^^ I agree with that.
We have to start at a base. Get a good, experienced spine running through the team and build around them. Some could say for experience, Rooney has to play, but not necessarily.
Hart being the obvious keeper. Smalling the CB. Henderson in CM and Kane up top. Even if it's not filled with total experience, that is still a good spine to build from. They are all good players regardless of what recent form says. For me, they are probably the best we have in all 4 positions right now.
Then we add in a few more players from there, the obvious one's like Alli, Walker, Rose etc. The one's that put a good shift in for the national side. Then, we use a system from the best players the country have. With the majority coming from Spurs and Henderson from Liverpool who all have similar pressing styles, it's obvious to get the best out of them players, we need someone to play with that system. Then we fill in the gaps with the players who are best suited to that system. Like Lallane is the perfect fit in AM in a 4-2-3-1 formation. Then we need another CB, possibly Stones who can play with the ball and then just 2 wide men who will have the energy to press and we fit our system around that.
I also think England has been heavily damaged with the loss of experience in the last 5 years. We have lost the likes of Ferdinand, Terry, Lampard, Gerrard etc all in the last 5 years or so since they retired. That's a vast amount of experience lost there which I think has played a major factor in England's downfall in the last few years.
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posted on 9/10/16
We've got players like lingard in the side I'm not sure what people actually expect.
posted on 9/10/16
comment by Genius_AppleCart_Space_Dude_Featuring_Zorak (Doom merchant) (U19099)
posted 36 minutes ago
To be honest I dont think England fans expectations,me included,are that high.
I just want to see some entertaining attacking football and ,we have at the very least, got players who can deliver in that regard.
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And in some games, they show that.
posted on 9/10/16
comment by Micky Madlips (U1250)
posted 3 hours, 12 minutes ago
172. Posted by Sandy on
3 hours ago
Is it me or do they general public think they know more than the coaches and managers who earn a living from football?
Hilarious. If the experts believe that Rooney warrants a place (and most of them do), who are we to argue.
They understand the game better than we do, otherwise anyone of you would be England manager heavens forbid
---------------------------
Sandy defending Rooney
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Yeah, I saw that as well
posted on 9/10/16
Rooney.
posted on 9/10/16
Because England are just sh111t
posted on 9/10/16
1) Every team has average players. England actually have more good players than most of the top national teams.
2) This is a problem though.
posted on 9/10/16
Getting excited over beating mediocre teams never turning up for the big ones.
posted on 9/10/16
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 9/10/16
One final in 60+ years of internationals. And even that was on home soil.
Clearly the problems are much deeper than the PL, players being overpaid or any of the rest of it.
1. The game needs investment at junior level.
2. Kids need to taught to play not just hoof.
3. The media need to back off.
4. Need to pick and stick with a good manager - regardless of nationality.
5. Play people who are in form and not just big names.
And finally regard getting to the QFs as a success.
posted on 10/10/16
I don't think we solutions just pick players on form. Some players his form for clubs but don't do it for country and then there are those who play well for country than their teams (look at Welbeck and Kane for England, the former performs better for country than his team, while the latter is the opposite. Also Milan Baros, remember him? Rubbish for club, legend for country).
We need to choose a team and style and stick with it, with some changes here and there but nothing wholesale. Tottenham have the most players (Walker, Rose, Dier, Dele and Kane) in the current England starting 11, so we should adopt similar style to them. Get in the other players who play in a similar system to fill in the gaps, with tweaks were needed. Of course it's easy to say all this. Putting it into practise is much harder.
posted on 11/10/16
^^ I agree with that.
We have to start at a base. Get a good, experienced spine running through the team and build around them. Some could say for experience, Rooney has to play, but not necessarily.
Hart being the obvious keeper. Smalling the CB. Henderson in CM and Kane up top. Even if it's not filled with total experience, that is still a good spine to build from. They are all good players regardless of what recent form says. For me, they are probably the best we have in all 4 positions right now.
Then we add in a few more players from there, the obvious one's like Alli, Walker, Rose etc. The one's that put a good shift in for the national side. Then, we use a system from the best players the country have. With the majority coming from Spurs and Henderson from Liverpool who all have similar pressing styles, it's obvious to get the best out of them players, we need someone to play with that system. Then we fill in the gaps with the players who are best suited to that system. Like Lallane is the perfect fit in AM in a 4-2-3-1 formation. Then we need another CB, possibly Stones who can play with the ball and then just 2 wide men who will have the energy to press and we fit our system around that.
I also think England has been heavily damaged with the loss of experience in the last 5 years. We have lost the likes of Ferdinand, Terry, Lampard, Gerrard etc all in the last 5 years or so since they retired. That's a vast amount of experience lost there which I think has played a major factor in England's downfall in the last few years.
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