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comment by Viva_Ronaldo (U19085)
posted 16 seconds ago
trump is understandable too many school boy errors he keeps making but lets not forget it is his first election and debate. same cant be said for clinton shes been doing this for decades now and still can't get it right
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No, this is her second POTUS campaign, and first as party nominee.
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yeah well she's been in it before and knows how things roll and how to win crowd. prev debate between her and trump not going to lie as much as i hate trump but he ripped clinton into 2
Let me start off here by stating that I can not stand Hilary Clinton in the slightest.
That said, she is by far, the lesser of the two evils. And this is not even close.
8bit
It was my understanding that Trump stands to/has made millions off the back of his POTUS campaign?
However the final total will not be known until the election has been concluded, as many of his assets and liabilities (Trump Tower etc) have been listed as expenses as part of the campaign.
Not saying that HC (with ties to Wall St) is much better but at least there is some degree of accountability/transparency.
In regard to the US economy, Trump has altered his economic policy, (and in fact had to re-write and start again) as it was found to be nonsensical. So yes, while he likes to talk about economics, when his figures have been scrutinised, they have not stood up.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2016/08/what-plan
http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Columns/2016/09/23/4-Reasons-Trump-s-Economic-Policies-Would-Be-Disaster
This idea that they're basically the same is ludicrous.
Clinton isn't a historically terrible candidate. She's a very normal mainstream politician who has made compromises and mistakes. This makes her far from ideal if you believe (as I do) that the system itself is corrupted by big money. But her positions and methods are much the same as those of the people who have been running the country for a long time, albeit slightly left of centre insofar as she's more liberal on issues like abortion, gay rights and accepting climate science than the Republicans, and wouldn't tilt quite so far in favour of the super-rich in terms of economic policy (though still tilting in that direction). She has this reputation for unprecedented evil because she has been in the public eye for such a long time, has been subjected to right-wing smears and politically motivated investigations, which give the impression there's no smoke without fire. There's probably no one in the US today (certainly no one in public office) whose actions have been scrutinised to the same forensic degree. The fact that she hasn't been jailed suggests her mistakes haven't been that grave. Her lack of folksy charm and probably the fact that women are judged to a different standard (just imagine if she had said and done the same things as Trump) don't help. She's a normal candidate with extensive knowledge of how government works, how the world works, and a curiosity about policy.
On the other side there's a candidate who has demonstrated he's a racist and misogynist, who seems to abhor the basic protections of liberal democracy. He's a populist demagogue who appeals to the worst sentiments of the population while clearly standing for the interests of the super-rich.
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They have 20 trillion of debt and a huge deficit, it's already a disaster. Trump is the only one talking about it.
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He's not talking about how supply side economics got them in that position in the first place.
I think these controversies just help him tbh. the media milks it far too much and with 24/7 coverage it becomes overkill and ends up irritating people. Trump tapes for example and the self righteous attitude of the media when if we're being honest everyone knows that kind of chat happens. People are fed up of polished well presented politicians who are told what to say and how to act but end up delivering feck all.
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comment by Brightdave: (U11711)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 3 minutes ago
8bit
It was my understanding that Trump stands to/has made millions off the back of his POTUS campaign?
However the final total will not be known until the election has been concluded, as many of his assets and liabilities (Trump Tower etc) have been listed as expenses as part of the campaign.
Not saying that HC (with ties to Wall St) is much better but at least there is some degree of accountability/transparency.
In regard to the US economy, Trump has altered his economic policy, (and in fact had to re-write and start again) as it was found to be nonsensical. So yes, while he likes to talk about economics, when his figures have been scrutinised, they have not stood up.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2016/08/what-plan
http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Columns/2016/09/23/4-Reasons-Trump-s-Economic-Policies-Would-Be-Disaster
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On top of that, i've seen that if Donald had put his inheritance in a facking term deposit and didn't touch it, he'd be much richer than he is today. He's actually made less money than if he was in a coma for 30 years.
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Yeah but he who dares, Rodders.
comment by Brightdave: (U11711)
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comment by Viva_Ronaldo (U19085)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Brightdave: (U11711)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Viva_Ronaldo (U19085)
posted 16 seconds ago
trump is understandable too many school boy errors he keeps making but lets not forget it is his first election and debate. same cant be said for clinton shes been doing this for decades now and still can't get it right
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No, this is her second POTUS campaign, and first as party nominee.
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yeah well she's been in it before and knows how things roll and how to win crowd. prev debate between her and trump not going to lie as much as i hate trump but he ripped clinton into 2
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If you think that he ripped her in two, can you explain why? To me he just seemed to interrupt her at almost every single question. This is totally unbecoming of a head of state and shows that his temperament that he bangs on about as his best characteristic, is totally rubbish.
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I understand DT interrupted HC 27 times during the second debate.
Having watched both in full I cannot see how anyone could surmise that DT won either.
That said, I understand (historically) the debates have not altered voting preference too much (as most have already picked their candidiate prior to debates).
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 8 minutes ago
They have 20 trillion of debt and a huge deficit, it's already a disaster. Trump is the only one talking about it.
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He's not talking about how supply side economics got them in that position in the first place.
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He is not talking about how he is going to fix it either, or how they got there in the first place, funnily enough.
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No income tax, no VAT, no money back....
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 9 minutes ago
I think these controversies just help him tbh.
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It is the lack of intelligence of the majority of his followers that help him.
He has been taking the pee out of them and they have no idea he is doing it. He has been praying on the poor and middle class who pay their taxes all while he sits in Trump Tower having his Lawyers find ways for him to avoid paying tax.
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comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 5 minutes ago
No income tax, no VAT, no money back....
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Good summary. Must be getting pretty damn exhausting being in the US for you right now. So many bed wetting cretins around
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The political system is set up for failure and they can't do anything to change it.
Also their Constitution is out dated and needs more amendments.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 8 minutes ago
They have 20 trillion of debt and a huge deficit, it's already a disaster. Trump is the only one talking about it.
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He's not talking about how supply side economics got them in that position in the first place.
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He is not talking about how he is going to fix it either, or how they got there in the first place, funnily enough.
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He is at least talking about it though. Hillary is not even doing that, so how can she possibly fix it.
One of the things I have trouble with is why the Democrats threw their weight behind Hilary Clinton.
They could have picked any other candidate, even someone like Martin O'Malley and he would have trounced Trump.
8bit
In truth, neither will. Well not unless they go cap in hand to the Saudis.
Hillary is not even doing that, so how can she possibly fix it.
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She brought it up in the first debate. Trump ignored it and went on some rant about what she had not done in 30 years of public office.
They should start with the second amendment, and amend it.
Trump or Clinton
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comment by Brightdave: (U11711)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Viva_Ronaldo (U19085)
posted 16 seconds ago
trump is understandable too many school boy errors he keeps making but lets not forget it is his first election and debate. same cant be said for clinton shes been doing this for decades now and still can't get it right
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No, this is her second POTUS campaign, and first as party nominee.
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yeah well she's been in it before and knows how things roll and how to win crowd. prev debate between her and trump not going to lie as much as i hate trump but he ripped clinton into 2
posted on 12/10/16
Let me start off here by stating that I can not stand Hilary Clinton in the slightest.
That said, she is by far, the lesser of the two evils. And this is not even close.
posted on 12/10/16
8bit
It was my understanding that Trump stands to/has made millions off the back of his POTUS campaign?
However the final total will not be known until the election has been concluded, as many of his assets and liabilities (Trump Tower etc) have been listed as expenses as part of the campaign.
Not saying that HC (with ties to Wall St) is much better but at least there is some degree of accountability/transparency.
In regard to the US economy, Trump has altered his economic policy, (and in fact had to re-write and start again) as it was found to be nonsensical. So yes, while he likes to talk about economics, when his figures have been scrutinised, they have not stood up.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2016/08/what-plan
http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Columns/2016/09/23/4-Reasons-Trump-s-Economic-Policies-Would-Be-Disaster
posted on 12/10/16
This idea that they're basically the same is ludicrous.
Clinton isn't a historically terrible candidate. She's a very normal mainstream politician who has made compromises and mistakes. This makes her far from ideal if you believe (as I do) that the system itself is corrupted by big money. But her positions and methods are much the same as those of the people who have been running the country for a long time, albeit slightly left of centre insofar as she's more liberal on issues like abortion, gay rights and accepting climate science than the Republicans, and wouldn't tilt quite so far in favour of the super-rich in terms of economic policy (though still tilting in that direction). She has this reputation for unprecedented evil because she has been in the public eye for such a long time, has been subjected to right-wing smears and politically motivated investigations, which give the impression there's no smoke without fire. There's probably no one in the US today (certainly no one in public office) whose actions have been scrutinised to the same forensic degree. The fact that she hasn't been jailed suggests her mistakes haven't been that grave. Her lack of folksy charm and probably the fact that women are judged to a different standard (just imagine if she had said and done the same things as Trump) don't help. She's a normal candidate with extensive knowledge of how government works, how the world works, and a curiosity about policy.
On the other side there's a candidate who has demonstrated he's a racist and misogynist, who seems to abhor the basic protections of liberal democracy. He's a populist demagogue who appeals to the worst sentiments of the population while clearly standing for the interests of the super-rich.
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posted on 12/10/16
Rooney
posted on 12/10/16
They have 20 trillion of debt and a huge deficit, it's already a disaster. Trump is the only one talking about it.
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He's not talking about how supply side economics got them in that position in the first place.
posted on 12/10/16
I think these controversies just help him tbh. the media milks it far too much and with 24/7 coverage it becomes overkill and ends up irritating people. Trump tapes for example and the self righteous attitude of the media when if we're being honest everyone knows that kind of chat happens. People are fed up of polished well presented politicians who are told what to say and how to act but end up delivering feck all.
posted on 12/10/16
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posted on 12/10/16
comment by Brightdave: (U11711)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 3 minutes ago
8bit
It was my understanding that Trump stands to/has made millions off the back of his POTUS campaign?
However the final total will not be known until the election has been concluded, as many of his assets and liabilities (Trump Tower etc) have been listed as expenses as part of the campaign.
Not saying that HC (with ties to Wall St) is much better but at least there is some degree of accountability/transparency.
In regard to the US economy, Trump has altered his economic policy, (and in fact had to re-write and start again) as it was found to be nonsensical. So yes, while he likes to talk about economics, when his figures have been scrutinised, they have not stood up.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2016/08/what-plan
http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Columns/2016/09/23/4-Reasons-Trump-s-Economic-Policies-Would-Be-Disaster
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On top of that, i've seen that if Donald had put his inheritance in a facking term deposit and didn't touch it, he'd be much richer than he is today. He's actually made less money than if he was in a coma for 30 years.
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Yeah but he who dares, Rodders.
posted on 12/10/16
comment by Brightdave: (U11711)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by Viva_Ronaldo (U19085)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Brightdave: (U11711)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Viva_Ronaldo (U19085)
posted 16 seconds ago
trump is understandable too many school boy errors he keeps making but lets not forget it is his first election and debate. same cant be said for clinton shes been doing this for decades now and still can't get it right
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No, this is her second POTUS campaign, and first as party nominee.
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yeah well she's been in it before and knows how things roll and how to win crowd. prev debate between her and trump not going to lie as much as i hate trump but he ripped clinton into 2
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If you think that he ripped her in two, can you explain why? To me he just seemed to interrupt her at almost every single question. This is totally unbecoming of a head of state and shows that his temperament that he bangs on about as his best characteristic, is totally rubbish.
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I understand DT interrupted HC 27 times during the second debate.
Having watched both in full I cannot see how anyone could surmise that DT won either.
That said, I understand (historically) the debates have not altered voting preference too much (as most have already picked their candidiate prior to debates).
posted on 12/10/16
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 8 minutes ago
They have 20 trillion of debt and a huge deficit, it's already a disaster. Trump is the only one talking about it.
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He's not talking about how supply side economics got them in that position in the first place.
.................
He is not talking about how he is going to fix it either, or how they got there in the first place, funnily enough.
posted on 12/10/16
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posted on 12/10/16
No income tax, no VAT, no money back....
posted on 12/10/16
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 9 minutes ago
I think these controversies just help him tbh.
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It is the lack of intelligence of the majority of his followers that help him.
He has been taking the pee out of them and they have no idea he is doing it. He has been praying on the poor and middle class who pay their taxes all while he sits in Trump Tower having his Lawyers find ways for him to avoid paying tax.
posted on 12/10/16
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posted on 12/10/16
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posted on 12/10/16
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 5 minutes ago
No income tax, no VAT, no money back....
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posted on 12/10/16
Good summary. Must be getting pretty damn exhausting being in the US for you right now. So many bed wetting cretins around
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The political system is set up for failure and they can't do anything to change it.
Also their Constitution is out dated and needs more amendments.
posted on 12/10/16
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 8 minutes ago
They have 20 trillion of debt and a huge deficit, it's already a disaster. Trump is the only one talking about it.
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He's not talking about how supply side economics got them in that position in the first place.
.................
He is not talking about how he is going to fix it either, or how they got there in the first place, funnily enough.
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He is at least talking about it though. Hillary is not even doing that, so how can she possibly fix it.
posted on 12/10/16
One of the things I have trouble with is why the Democrats threw their weight behind Hilary Clinton.
They could have picked any other candidate, even someone like Martin O'Malley and he would have trounced Trump.
posted on 12/10/16
8bit
In truth, neither will. Well not unless they go cap in hand to the Saudis.
posted on 12/10/16
Hillary is not even doing that, so how can she possibly fix it.
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She brought it up in the first debate. Trump ignored it and went on some rant about what she had not done in 30 years of public office.
posted on 12/10/16
They should start with the second amendment, and amend it.
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