comment by KoemanYouBlues (U21156)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 0 seconds ago
ItsAboutTheBackFour
Not sure I follow your logic. Your point, (raised a long time ago by Ukip – Farage if I recall) has been debunked time and again.
It was concluded that a slowdown in the housing market and construction industry (a fall-out of the 2008 recession) was the fundemental problem. Not EU migration (0.14%).
Do you honestly believe the UK will be able to sever all ties with the entire planet?
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no...just the EU
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Koeman doesn't understand that bi-lateral trade deals are not exclusive to the EU.
Why do people keep stating that there will be no immigration if we leave the eu, ofcourse there will be how do you think people outside of the eu get work over here anyway? they get a work permit or the equivalent, eu citizens will be able to apply the same way im sure
comment by Adam 'The Interview' Lallana (U20650)
posted 4 seconds ago
Why do people keep stating that there will be no immigration if we leave the eu, ofcourse there will be how do you think people outside of the eu get work over here anyway? they get a work permit or the equivalent, eu citizens will be able to apply the same way im sure
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because they are sensationalist fools who try and control the debate
Lallana
"Why do people keep stating that there will be no immigration if we leave the eu"
Don't think anyone has tbh. When referring to leaving The EU and immigration it means the revocation of Freedom of Movement with EU countries. It's going to be one of the bog stumbling blocks to get over in negotiations as it is a founding principle of The EU.
I understand May is to visit India to discuss the potential of new trading agreements.
The UK have actually been in discussions with India for the last eight years relating to a trade agreement.
While there are many complexities, part of the impasse has related to migration. The UK refusing to budge on bilateral terms.
This will be replicated wherever the UK decide to trade. It’s therefore absolute lunacy to expect migration to drop - if the country is to remain solvent. While EU migration may reduce, this will be offset by migrants from the rest of the world.
No i keep reading it(barely on this site though), though im 95% sure when people are saying it they are doing it to exaggerate and/or annoy leave votes
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 23 seconds ago
I understand May is to visit India to discuss the potential of new trading agreements.
The UK have actually been in discussions with India for the last eight years relating to a trade agreement.
While there are many complexities, part of the impasse has related to migration. The UK refusing to budge on bilateral terms.
This will be replicated wherever the UK decide to trade. It’s therefore absolute lunacy to expect migration to drop - if the country is to remain solvent. While EU migration may reduce, this will be offset by migrants from the rest of the world.
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which we will be able to control the numbers on without being in a deal that forces us to have complete freedom of movement this is why he filtered me
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comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 26 minutes ago
I understand May is to visit India to discuss the potential of new trading agreements.
The UK have actually been in discussions with India for the last eight years relating to a trade agreement.
While there are many complexities, part of the impasse has related to migration. The UK refusing to budge on bilateral terms.
This will be replicated wherever the UK decide to trade. It’s therefore absolute lunacy to expect migration to drop - if the country is to remain solvent. While EU migration may reduce, this will be offset by migrants from the rest of the world.
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surely we couldnt just make our own deal without the eu being involved?
ohhhhhhhhh yes it is, stay safe Sizzler
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 21 minutes ago
I understand May is to visit India to discuss the potential of new trading agreements.
The UK have actually been in discussions with India for the last eight years relating to a trade agreement.
While there are many complexities, part of the impasse has related to migration. The UK refusing to budge on bilateral terms.
This will be replicated wherever the UK decide to trade. It’s therefore absolute lunacy to expect migration to drop - if the country is to remain solvent. While EU migration may reduce, this will be offset by migrants from the rest of the world.
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Those discussions have been based on us being members of the EU so the EU tariffs have to be applied. Once we are outside the EU it becomes a lot more of an attractive deal with India not having tariffs enforced on them. It will put us in a lot stronger position to negotiate with them.
In fact, thinking about it, if we are able to negotiate a lower tariff with the EU on exports to them and able to import tariff free from places like China and India we will be in a very strong position as a gateway from the rest of the world to Europe. I cant really see it happening but that could make us incredibly important in world trade.
comment by Adam 'The Interview' Lallana (U20650)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 26 minutes ago
I understand May is to visit India to discuss the potential of new trading agreements.
The UK have actually been in discussions with India for the last eight years relating to a trade agreement.
While there are many complexities, part of the impasse has related to migration. The UK refusing to budge on bilateral terms.
This will be replicated wherever the UK decide to trade. It’s therefore absolute lunacy to expect migration to drop - if the country is to remain solvent. While EU migration may reduce, this will be offset by migrants from the rest of the world.
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surely we couldnt just make our own deal without the eu being involved?
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Yes that's true. But the deal would still be subject to international trading rules. Eg WTO.
comment by I am gooner now (U16927)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 21 minutes ago
I understand May is to visit India to discuss the potential of new trading agreements.
The UK have actually been in discussions with India for the last eight years relating to a trade agreement.
While there are many complexities, part of the impasse has related to migration. The UK refusing to budge on bilateral terms.
This will be replicated wherever the UK decide to trade. It’s therefore absolute lunacy to expect migration to drop - if the country is to remain solvent. While EU migration may reduce, this will be offset by migrants from the rest of the world.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Those discussions have been based on us being members of the EU so the EU tariffs have to be applied. Once we are outside the EU it becomes a lot more of an attractive deal with India not having tariffs enforced on them. It will put us in a lot stronger position to negotiate with them.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Even as an non EU member, WTO statute require tarriffs.
https://www.wto.org/English/thewto_e/whatis_e/tif_e/fact2_e.htm
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by I am gooner now (U16927)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 21 minutes ago
I understand May is to visit India to discuss the potential of new trading agreements.
The UK have actually been in discussions with India for the last eight years relating to a trade agreement.
While there are many complexities, part of the impasse has related to migration. The UK refusing to budge on bilateral terms.
This will be replicated wherever the UK decide to trade. It’s therefore absolute lunacy to expect migration to drop - if the country is to remain solvent. While EU migration may reduce, this will be offset by migrants from the rest of the world.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Those discussions have been based on us being members of the EU so the EU tariffs have to be applied. Once we are outside the EU it becomes a lot more of an attractive deal with India not having tariffs enforced on them. It will put us in a lot stronger position to negotiate with them.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Even as an non EU member, WTO statute require tarriffs.
https://www.wto.org/English/thewto_e/whatis_e/tif_e/fact2_e.htm
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Sorry, should have added, as the UK will have to maintain a trading relationship with the EU, WTO tarriffs would apply.
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by I am gooner now (U16927)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 21 minutes ago
I understand May is to visit India to discuss the potential of new trading agreements.
The UK have actually been in discussions with India for the last eight years relating to a trade agreement.
While there are many complexities, part of the impasse has related to migration. The UK refusing to budge on bilateral terms.
This will be replicated wherever the UK decide to trade. It’s therefore absolute lunacy to expect migration to drop - if the country is to remain solvent. While EU migration may reduce, this will be offset by migrants from the rest of the world.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Those discussions have been based on us being members of the EU so the EU tariffs have to be applied. Once we are outside the EU it becomes a lot more of an attractive deal with India not having tariffs enforced on them. It will put us in a lot stronger position to negotiate with them.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Even as an non EU member, WTO statute require tarriffs.
https://www.wto.org/English/thewto_e/whatis_e/tif_e/fact2_e.htm
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Sorry, should have added, as the UK will have to maintain a trading relationship with the EU, WTO tarriffs would apply.
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we don't have to mantain a trading relationship with the EU, another made up fact
The EU Canadian trade deal has taken seven years and it's still not complete. That is all you need to know about the EU - completely unworkable. A protection racket. Instead of sending aid to Africa why not trade fairly with them instead of giving billions - like the £400,000 to the billionaire Sheik in the UK who has a farm - to not grow any food because to do so would create food mountains.
The anti-competitive tariffs that destroy the UK solar industry from buying cheap panels from China to protect German solar panel manufacturers. That went well for us - not.
The 13% of EU laws we've voted against since 2009 that we have to accept as law.
We need to be able to pick and choose to suit laws, trade, and things that are fair to all.
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Although the whole world has collapsed around me and my holidays have become slightly more expensive, I would still vote to leave.
To be honest, had a known pre-vote that by simply
I understand with the EU leaders that Theresa May shouldnt expect to be able to take part in the decision making and a lot of the EU summit meetings.
But if the decisions affect the UK then she should be involved!
Also if you try to exclude the UK from these meetings then the decent thing to do would be to stop requiring the UK to pay its membership fee
Whether May is there are not is pretty much irrelevant. As she won't be involved (directly).
As there's no-one in government (nor the UK) qualified to negotiate EU severance, it has been outsourced. Ironically to EU negotiators.
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posted on 21/10/16
comment by KoemanYouBlues (U21156)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 0 seconds ago
ItsAboutTheBackFour
Not sure I follow your logic. Your point, (raised a long time ago by Ukip – Farage if I recall) has been debunked time and again.
It was concluded that a slowdown in the housing market and construction industry (a fall-out of the 2008 recession) was the fundemental problem. Not EU migration (0.14%).
Do you honestly believe the UK will be able to sever all ties with the entire planet?
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no...just the EU
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Koeman doesn't understand that bi-lateral trade deals are not exclusive to the EU.
posted on 21/10/16
Why do people keep stating that there will be no immigration if we leave the eu, ofcourse there will be how do you think people outside of the eu get work over here anyway? they get a work permit or the equivalent, eu citizens will be able to apply the same way im sure
posted on 21/10/16
comment by Adam 'The Interview' Lallana (U20650)
posted 4 seconds ago
Why do people keep stating that there will be no immigration if we leave the eu, ofcourse there will be how do you think people outside of the eu get work over here anyway? they get a work permit or the equivalent, eu citizens will be able to apply the same way im sure
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because they are sensationalist fools who try and control the debate
posted on 21/10/16
Lallana
"Why do people keep stating that there will be no immigration if we leave the eu"
Don't think anyone has tbh. When referring to leaving The EU and immigration it means the revocation of Freedom of Movement with EU countries. It's going to be one of the bog stumbling blocks to get over in negotiations as it is a founding principle of The EU.
posted on 21/10/16
I understand May is to visit India to discuss the potential of new trading agreements.
The UK have actually been in discussions with India for the last eight years relating to a trade agreement.
While there are many complexities, part of the impasse has related to migration. The UK refusing to budge on bilateral terms.
This will be replicated wherever the UK decide to trade. It’s therefore absolute lunacy to expect migration to drop - if the country is to remain solvent. While EU migration may reduce, this will be offset by migrants from the rest of the world.
posted on 21/10/16
No i keep reading it(barely on this site though), though im 95% sure when people are saying it they are doing it to exaggerate and/or annoy leave votes
posted on 21/10/16
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 23 seconds ago
I understand May is to visit India to discuss the potential of new trading agreements.
The UK have actually been in discussions with India for the last eight years relating to a trade agreement.
While there are many complexities, part of the impasse has related to migration. The UK refusing to budge on bilateral terms.
This will be replicated wherever the UK decide to trade. It’s therefore absolute lunacy to expect migration to drop - if the country is to remain solvent. While EU migration may reduce, this will be offset by migrants from the rest of the world.
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which we will be able to control the numbers on without being in a deal that forces us to have complete freedom of movement this is why he filtered me
posted on 21/10/16
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 21/10/16
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 26 minutes ago
I understand May is to visit India to discuss the potential of new trading agreements.
The UK have actually been in discussions with India for the last eight years relating to a trade agreement.
While there are many complexities, part of the impasse has related to migration. The UK refusing to budge on bilateral terms.
This will be replicated wherever the UK decide to trade. It’s therefore absolute lunacy to expect migration to drop - if the country is to remain solvent. While EU migration may reduce, this will be offset by migrants from the rest of the world.
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surely we couldnt just make our own deal without the eu being involved?
posted on 21/10/16
ohhhhhhhhh yes it is, stay safe Sizzler
posted on 21/10/16
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 21 minutes ago
I understand May is to visit India to discuss the potential of new trading agreements.
The UK have actually been in discussions with India for the last eight years relating to a trade agreement.
While there are many complexities, part of the impasse has related to migration. The UK refusing to budge on bilateral terms.
This will be replicated wherever the UK decide to trade. It’s therefore absolute lunacy to expect migration to drop - if the country is to remain solvent. While EU migration may reduce, this will be offset by migrants from the rest of the world.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Those discussions have been based on us being members of the EU so the EU tariffs have to be applied. Once we are outside the EU it becomes a lot more of an attractive deal with India not having tariffs enforced on them. It will put us in a lot stronger position to negotiate with them.
posted on 21/10/16
In fact, thinking about it, if we are able to negotiate a lower tariff with the EU on exports to them and able to import tariff free from places like China and India we will be in a very strong position as a gateway from the rest of the world to Europe. I cant really see it happening but that could make us incredibly important in world trade.
posted on 21/10/16
comment by Adam 'The Interview' Lallana (U20650)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 26 minutes ago
I understand May is to visit India to discuss the potential of new trading agreements.
The UK have actually been in discussions with India for the last eight years relating to a trade agreement.
While there are many complexities, part of the impasse has related to migration. The UK refusing to budge on bilateral terms.
This will be replicated wherever the UK decide to trade. It’s therefore absolute lunacy to expect migration to drop - if the country is to remain solvent. While EU migration may reduce, this will be offset by migrants from the rest of the world.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
surely we couldnt just make our own deal without the eu being involved?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes that's true. But the deal would still be subject to international trading rules. Eg WTO.
posted on 21/10/16
comment by I am gooner now (U16927)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 21 minutes ago
I understand May is to visit India to discuss the potential of new trading agreements.
The UK have actually been in discussions with India for the last eight years relating to a trade agreement.
While there are many complexities, part of the impasse has related to migration. The UK refusing to budge on bilateral terms.
This will be replicated wherever the UK decide to trade. It’s therefore absolute lunacy to expect migration to drop - if the country is to remain solvent. While EU migration may reduce, this will be offset by migrants from the rest of the world.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Those discussions have been based on us being members of the EU so the EU tariffs have to be applied. Once we are outside the EU it becomes a lot more of an attractive deal with India not having tariffs enforced on them. It will put us in a lot stronger position to negotiate with them.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Even as an non EU member, WTO statute require tarriffs.
https://www.wto.org/English/thewto_e/whatis_e/tif_e/fact2_e.htm
posted on 21/10/16
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by I am gooner now (U16927)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 21 minutes ago
I understand May is to visit India to discuss the potential of new trading agreements.
The UK have actually been in discussions with India for the last eight years relating to a trade agreement.
While there are many complexities, part of the impasse has related to migration. The UK refusing to budge on bilateral terms.
This will be replicated wherever the UK decide to trade. It’s therefore absolute lunacy to expect migration to drop - if the country is to remain solvent. While EU migration may reduce, this will be offset by migrants from the rest of the world.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Those discussions have been based on us being members of the EU so the EU tariffs have to be applied. Once we are outside the EU it becomes a lot more of an attractive deal with India not having tariffs enforced on them. It will put us in a lot stronger position to negotiate with them.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Even as an non EU member, WTO statute require tarriffs.
https://www.wto.org/English/thewto_e/whatis_e/tif_e/fact2_e.htm
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sorry, should have added, as the UK will have to maintain a trading relationship with the EU, WTO tarriffs would apply.
posted on 21/10/16
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by I am gooner now (U16927)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 21 minutes ago
I understand May is to visit India to discuss the potential of new trading agreements.
The UK have actually been in discussions with India for the last eight years relating to a trade agreement.
While there are many complexities, part of the impasse has related to migration. The UK refusing to budge on bilateral terms.
This will be replicated wherever the UK decide to trade. It’s therefore absolute lunacy to expect migration to drop - if the country is to remain solvent. While EU migration may reduce, this will be offset by migrants from the rest of the world.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Those discussions have been based on us being members of the EU so the EU tariffs have to be applied. Once we are outside the EU it becomes a lot more of an attractive deal with India not having tariffs enforced on them. It will put us in a lot stronger position to negotiate with them.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Even as an non EU member, WTO statute require tarriffs.
https://www.wto.org/English/thewto_e/whatis_e/tif_e/fact2_e.htm
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sorry, should have added, as the UK will have to maintain a trading relationship with the EU, WTO tarriffs would apply.
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we don't have to mantain a trading relationship with the EU, another made up fact
posted on 21/10/16
The EU Canadian trade deal has taken seven years and it's still not complete. That is all you need to know about the EU - completely unworkable. A protection racket. Instead of sending aid to Africa why not trade fairly with them instead of giving billions - like the £400,000 to the billionaire Sheik in the UK who has a farm - to not grow any food because to do so would create food mountains.
The anti-competitive tariffs that destroy the UK solar industry from buying cheap panels from China to protect German solar panel manufacturers. That went well for us - not.
The 13% of EU laws we've voted against since 2009 that we have to accept as law.
We need to be able to pick and choose to suit laws, trade, and things that are fair to all.
posted on 21/10/16
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 22/10/16
Although the whole world has collapsed around me and my holidays have become slightly more expensive, I would still vote to leave.
To be honest, had a known pre-vote that by simply
posted on 22/10/16
I understand with the EU leaders that Theresa May shouldnt expect to be able to take part in the decision making and a lot of the EU summit meetings.
But if the decisions affect the UK then she should be involved!
Also if you try to exclude the UK from these meetings then the decent thing to do would be to stop requiring the UK to pay its membership fee
posted on 22/10/16
Whether May is there are not is pretty much irrelevant. As she won't be involved (directly).
As there's no-one in government (nor the UK) qualified to negotiate EU severance, it has been outsourced. Ironically to EU negotiators.
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