Agreed. I think we've got the better last two fixtures to go into in the Europa but we can't play like we did against feyernoord or like we did on thurs. issue is I think a lot of our players think they are tooo good for the Europa and their effort levels drop.
No denying it has a massive effect.
Look at Liverpool, last time they had no European football the last time they looked like contenders. As soon as they got CL and UEFA they became a top 8 side.
Chelsea and Liverpool having no euro football is a massive advantage for them.
comment by Benji Veniamin (U19953)
posted 3 minutes ago
No denying it has a massive effect.
Look at Liverpool, last time they had no European football the last time they looked like contenders. As soon as they got CL and UEFA they became a top 8 side.
Chelsea and Liverpool having no euro football is a massive advantage for them.
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What I was saying on the live thread, but Chelsea and Liverpool fans were not wanting to hear it.
You can get away with it some weeks if your team is full of quality, or if the opposition is particularly bad. Sometimes it can help if you have a negative result in Europe because it realigns your focus on the league, more than a win in Europe might.
comment by Benji Veniamin (U19953)
posted 14 minutes ago
No denying it has a massive effect.
Look at Liverpool, last time they had no European football the last time they looked like contenders. As soon as they got CL and UEFA they became a top 8 side.
Chelsea and Liverpool having no euro football is a massive advantage for them.
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Losing Luis Suarez and Daniel Sturridge for the best part of two seasons had nothing to do with it of course...
I think it helped that you didn't actualy "compete" in europe this week
I said this morning the top 2 by the end of the day will both be clubs with no European football. In such a competitive league it makes a big difference, just look at our last 3 seasons and the 2 time we did make top 4.
comment by Octavian (U21076)
posted 4 minutes ago
I think it helped that you didn't actualy "compete" in europe this week
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Fair comment
Never heard SAF complain about playing europe, is that not the reason why UTD spent millions building a big squad?
It is an advantage, but surley utd spending 90 million on the most exspensive player should also be an advantafe
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 4 minutes ago
I said this morning the top 2 by the end of the day will both be clubs with no European football. In such a competitive league it makes a big difference, just look at our last 3 seasons and the 2 time we did make top 4.
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Exactly. It's a freak occurence that two very good teams in Chelsea and Liverpool will enter a PL season with no European distractions.
For one of the title challengers with Europe to win the title I think would be a heck of an achievement this season, given the advantage Liverpool and Chelsea have, although I suppose if they progressed far in the cups while the European teams went out early it could change the dynamic.
Totally agree. I can see a cahnge of approach from managers in the future, where they will now aim to win the league every other season, and if they are in europe they will aim to finish outside the european spots, so that they win a league title every two years
comment by RedMen7 (U8888)
posted 1 minute ago
Never heard SAF complain about playing europe, is that not the reason why UTD spent millions building a big squad?
It is an advantage, but surley utd spending 90 million on the most exspensive player should also be an advantafe
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In Fergie's years there was never this degree of competition for a title. If you consider two of the teams he finished above from the top 4 being out of Europe, it's hard to imagine you'd get the same outcome.
Its not tiredness particularly imo what the problem is. Its the lack of preparation in between games where teams fall down.
Chelsea and Liverpool get a full week normally to work on their teams, whilst European teams get a couple of days or so. Europa League teams probably get less than their CL counterparts in many occasions, e.g. United playing Thursday night, getting back early Friday morning. Friday is reduced to a recovery day, whilst there is just Saturday perhaps to work on the team against Swansea - and even then travel might have to be incorporated. Similar for any CL teams playing Weds-Sat, although that didn't happen this weekend.
RedMen
It's always been an issue for all clubs. I can remember under Ferguson our record in games directly after a CL were clearly worse than our average.
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Tbf it may have been down to the fact that the players failed to put it any effort whatsoever during the European tie so there really was no reason for them to be tired against Swansea.
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posted on 6/11/16
Agreed. I think we've got the better last two fixtures to go into in the Europa but we can't play like we did against feyernoord or like we did on thurs. issue is I think a lot of our players think they are tooo good for the Europa and their effort levels drop.
posted on 6/11/16
No denying it has a massive effect.
Look at Liverpool, last time they had no European football the last time they looked like contenders. As soon as they got CL and UEFA they became a top 8 side.
Chelsea and Liverpool having no euro football is a massive advantage for them.
posted on 6/11/16
comment by Benji Veniamin (U19953)
posted 3 minutes ago
No denying it has a massive effect.
Look at Liverpool, last time they had no European football the last time they looked like contenders. As soon as they got CL and UEFA they became a top 8 side.
Chelsea and Liverpool having no euro football is a massive advantage for them.
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What I was saying on the live thread, but Chelsea and Liverpool fans were not wanting to hear it.
You can get away with it some weeks if your team is full of quality, or if the opposition is particularly bad. Sometimes it can help if you have a negative result in Europe because it realigns your focus on the league, more than a win in Europe might.
posted on 6/11/16
comment by Benji Veniamin (U19953)
posted 14 minutes ago
No denying it has a massive effect.
Look at Liverpool, last time they had no European football the last time they looked like contenders. As soon as they got CL and UEFA they became a top 8 side.
Chelsea and Liverpool having no euro football is a massive advantage for them.
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Losing Luis Suarez and Daniel Sturridge for the best part of two seasons had nothing to do with it of course...
posted on 6/11/16
I think it helped that you didn't actualy "compete" in europe this week
posted on 6/11/16
I said this morning the top 2 by the end of the day will both be clubs with no European football. In such a competitive league it makes a big difference, just look at our last 3 seasons and the 2 time we did make top 4.
posted on 6/11/16
comment by Octavian (U21076)
posted 4 minutes ago
I think it helped that you didn't actualy "compete" in europe this week
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Fair comment
posted on 6/11/16
Never heard SAF complain about playing europe, is that not the reason why UTD spent millions building a big squad?
It is an advantage, but surley utd spending 90 million on the most exspensive player should also be an advantafe
posted on 6/11/16
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 4 minutes ago
I said this morning the top 2 by the end of the day will both be clubs with no European football. In such a competitive league it makes a big difference, just look at our last 3 seasons and the 2 time we did make top 4.
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Exactly. It's a freak occurence that two very good teams in Chelsea and Liverpool will enter a PL season with no European distractions.
posted on 6/11/16
For one of the title challengers with Europe to win the title I think would be a heck of an achievement this season, given the advantage Liverpool and Chelsea have, although I suppose if they progressed far in the cups while the European teams went out early it could change the dynamic.
posted on 6/11/16
Totally agree. I can see a cahnge of approach from managers in the future, where they will now aim to win the league every other season, and if they are in europe they will aim to finish outside the european spots, so that they win a league title every two years
posted on 6/11/16
comment by RedMen7 (U8888)
posted 1 minute ago
Never heard SAF complain about playing europe, is that not the reason why UTD spent millions building a big squad?
It is an advantage, but surley utd spending 90 million on the most exspensive player should also be an advantafe
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In Fergie's years there was never this degree of competition for a title. If you consider two of the teams he finished above from the top 4 being out of Europe, it's hard to imagine you'd get the same outcome.
posted on 6/11/16
Its not tiredness particularly imo what the problem is. Its the lack of preparation in between games where teams fall down.
Chelsea and Liverpool get a full week normally to work on their teams, whilst European teams get a couple of days or so. Europa League teams probably get less than their CL counterparts in many occasions, e.g. United playing Thursday night, getting back early Friday morning. Friday is reduced to a recovery day, whilst there is just Saturday perhaps to work on the team against Swansea - and even then travel might have to be incorporated. Similar for any CL teams playing Weds-Sat, although that didn't happen this weekend.
posted on 6/11/16
RedMen
It's always been an issue for all clubs. I can remember under Ferguson our record in games directly after a CL were clearly worse than our average.
posted on 7/11/16
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posted on 7/11/16
Tbf it may have been down to the fact that the players failed to put it any effort whatsoever during the European tie so there really was no reason for them to be tired against Swansea.
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