comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 12 minutes ago
It's funny how you get anti Trump voters shouting out "he's not my president" however if an anti Obama person said that during Obama's reign they'd be called a bigot or racist or whatever.
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Stop trying to speculate on something that may or may not have happened and turn this article into a race isssue.
I'm sure i saw white,black and other nationalities in these protest against Trump, it's not a race thing, it's a 'wtf has happened thing'.
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I'm not I'm calling out the fact that one group will claim he's not my president as they don't like trump but during Obama's reign plenty of anti Obama people said the same thing are were criticized for it.

The left jump to call anyone who doesn't agree with them a racist, Brexit is the perfect example

what this electoral college bullocks, whoever gets the most votes should win, simple

It's funny how you get anti Trump voters shouting out "he's not my president" however if an anti Obama person said that during Obama's reign they'd be called a bigot or racist or whatever.
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Stop trying to speculate on something that may or may not have happened and turn this article into a race isssue.
I'm sure i saw white,black and other nationalities in these protest against Trump, it's not a race thing, it's a 'wtf has happened thing'.
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I'm not I'm calling out the fact that one group will claim he's not my president as they don't like trump but during Obama's reign plenty of anti Obama people said the same thing are were criticized for it.

The left jump to call anyone who doesn't agree with them a racist, Brexit is the perfect example

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I dont remember seeing protest when Obama got into power, i remember people protesting against 'Obama care' and i didn't hear anyone call them racist.
Also the 'one group' that is protesting against Trump are not made up of ONE nationality, it's different races,so as i said it's not a race thing. You keep generalising people and putting them all under one of two catorgories and it isnt that simple.

OP

You don't think it's fair some American people feel that a person who is openly racist and brags about sexual assault, amongst many many other things, doesn't represent their country?

If I was from the US I'd quite happily say that Trump isn't my President as there is no way I could be happy with him holding the highest job in the land.

Don't you think people have got valid reason for not getting behind Trump?

kneerash

I think there is too much generalisation and classification in regard to political views. Whilst there were valid reasons to vote for both, (DT and Brexit) it is clear that both campaigns were isolationistic/insular.

This naturally appealed to some sections of society who already held more intolerant opinions.

comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 8 minutes ago
It's funny how you get anti Trump voters shouting out "he's not my president" however if an anti Obama person said that during Obama's reign they'd be called a bigot or racist or whatever.
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Stop trying to speculate on something that may or may not have happened and turn this article into a race isssue.
I'm sure i saw white,black and other nationalities in these protest against Trump, it's not a race thing, it's a 'wtf has happened thing'.
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I'm not I'm calling out the fact that one group will claim he's not my president as they don't like trump but during Obama's reign plenty of anti Obama people said the same thing are were criticized for it.

The left jump to call anyone who doesn't agree with them a racist, Brexit is the perfect example

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I dont remember seeing protest when Obama got into power, i remember people protesting against 'Obama care' and i didn't hear anyone call them racist.
Also the 'one group' that is protesting against Trump are not made up of ONE nationality, it's different races,so as i said it's not a race thing. You keep generalising people and putting them all under one of two catorgories and it isnt that simple.
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I agree it's not that simple, and I'm personally not callign anyone anything (should point out I'm not pro Trump / Brexit etc.)

Both sides are made up of different nationalities, I'm not trying to make this a race thing, but sorry take one look at social media and you will immediatley see my point, whatever the natonality of an anti trump / brexit people allot of this group label anyone who voted Trump or brexit a racist, it's rigth in front of your eyes.

comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 14 minutes ago
kneerash

I think there is too much generalisation and classification in regard to political views. Whilst there were valid reasons to vote for both, (DT and Brexit) it is clear that both campaigns were isolationistic/insular.

This naturally appealed to some sections of society who already held more intolerant opinions.
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agree, but it's on both sides that's my point, the last few months have gone to show the far left is every bit as intolerant as the far right

comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 14 minutes ago
kneerash

I think there is too much generalisation and classification in regard to political views. Whilst there were valid reasons to vote for both, (DT and Brexit) it is clear that both campaigns were isolationistic/insular.

This naturally appealed to some sections of society who already held more intolerant opinions.
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agree, but it's on both sides that's my point, the last few months have gone to show the far left is every bit as intolerant as the far right
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I'm genuinley starting to think that the far left will become more intolerant and violent towards opposition in the coming years.

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comment by Galvs. (U10415)
posted 4 minutes ago
I mean it's all very well us liberal lefties sat on our keyboards calling people stupid, or racist, when we see people say things that make our flesh crawl, but governments and politicians must see the internet and social media as the ultimate firewall.
All the while people moan and whinge whilst sat on their arrrses, their not out on the streets protesting for real, making a change, bringing the powerful to task.

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But can't you apply the same to the right, you as a liberal leftie say things that make their skin crawl, you just think you're right cause they're your beliefs.

The anti Trump protests go to show that the liberal left are not actually that liberal when it comes to oppositioon beliefs.

But can't you apply the same to the right, you as a liberal leftie say things that make their skin crawl, you just think you're right cause they're your beliefs.
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And that is why there will never be peace, these are peoples beliefs and they are not going to change and neither party, right or left, believe that they are in the wrong.

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Maybe worth noting that Trump used to support, fund and back the Clintons, and their ideals. He was also a donor to the Clinton Foundation. He was predominately to the left of US politics.

He however (IMO) is neither to the left, nor right. He was going to say whatever he thought would get him the popular vote. In this campaign it was the politically/socially/economically disenfranchised, that won him the Whitehouse. Not the left or right of the political spectrum.

I suspect the Trumps and Clintons now go back to being close again. Maybe not…. however the protests against Trump (prior to the result) came from people from both left and right side of politics. He was pretty much cut off by the GOP. However now he’s POTUS elect, the GOP will have to rally round him again.

I can however understand why so many people are protesting. When you see the increase in intolerance – especially in schools has been particularly distasteful. Children of Latino dissent, Muslims etc etc being subjected to animosity from their classmates. And these are the kids that will shape the future of the US…

comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 2 hours, 29 minutes ago
Now the climbdown from rhetoric I get. He has managed to garner many votes with that rhetoric, just like the stuff about - "taking back control" and "350m to the NHS"

What will result is a lot different.
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So you 'get' Trump doing it, yet have raged for months about the leave campaign doing the same.

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Didn't expect so many people getting taken in by rhetoric, but at least you're finally admitting to it.
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Not admitting anything, just speaking from your point of view.

Good to see you're still desperate to be able to say 'I'm right', above all else.

comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 2 hours, 44 minutes ago
comment by Galvs. (U10415)
posted 4 minutes ago
I mean it's all very well us liberal lefties sat on our keyboards calling people stupid, or racist, when we see people say things that make our flesh crawl, but governments and politicians must see the internet and social media as the ultimate firewall.
All the while people moan and whinge whilst sat on their arrrses, their not out on the streets protesting for real, making a change, bringing the powerful to task.

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But can't you apply the same to the right, you as a liberal leftie say things that make their skin crawl, you just think you're right cause they're your beliefs.

The anti Trump protests go to show that the liberal left are not actually that liberal when it comes to oppositioon beliefs.
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Where has this notion that liberalism is about accepting everybody else's viewpoints and actions, no matter how obscene, come from?

It's nothing to do with that.

It's about ensuring that people can live their lives without fear of being discriminated against or oppressed by others; it's about protecting the individual's rights, no matter who they are.

Your rights are your own and absolute; nobody has a right to interfere with them, just as you have no right to interfere with others'. It is my business how I feel about your views and the way you live your life; but I have no business restricting your actions, just as you have no business restricting mine.

Social and cultural conservatism is the opposite. It generally says there are right and wrong ways for people to live their lives, regardless of whether their actions interfere with the lives of others.

Social conservatism, which differs from country to country in terms of how it manifests of course, can say, for example, that homosexual relationships are undesirable, immoral or even illegal for any of a number of (invalid) reasons, despite the fact - and this is the difference - that two people being engaged in a homosexual relationship has absolutely no impact whatsoever on anyone else's rights.

Basically, as a liberal, I can say I don't like someone else's views, and I can tell them to go feck themselves. But provided the person is acting within the law, I am not able to restrict their actions or discriminate against them in any way.

comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 3 hours, 29 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 14 minutes ago
kneerash

I think there is too much generalisation and classification in regard to political views. Whilst there were valid reasons to vote for both, (DT and Brexit) it is clear that both campaigns were isolationistic/insular.

This naturally appealed to some sections of society who already held more intolerant opinions.
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agree, but it's on both sides that's my point, the last few months have gone to show the far left is every bit as intolerant as the far right
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Not sure that should surprise anyone, tbf. Intolerance is a personal trait, not a political one.

comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 3 hours, 29 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 14 minutes ago
kneerash

I think there is too much generalisation and classification in regard to political views. Whilst there were valid reasons to vote for both, (DT and Brexit) it is clear that both campaigns were isolationistic/insular.

This naturally appealed to some sections of society who already held more intolerant opinions.
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agree, but it's on both sides that's my point, the last few months have gone to show the far left is every bit as intolerant as the far right
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Not sure that should surprise anyone, tbf. Intolerance is a personal trait, not a political one.
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True.

And there is a big difference between intolerance of other people's thoughts and beliefs, and intolerance of other people's actions when those actions limit the rights and freedoms of third parties.

If someone says they don't think women are suitable for managerial roles, for example, well, they are an idiot, but they are entitled to think that.

When that personal is in the position to appoint managers and refuses to appoint any female candidate on the grounds of their sexx, well nobody should tolerate that.

What's this got to do with football?

But since it's started, this result further confirms that democracy can sometimes jump up and bite you in the a** (Scotland, Brexit + Trump)!

comment by Greenisnotthecolour (U20982)
posted 2 minutes ago
What's this got to do with football?

But since it's started, this result further confirms that democracy can sometimes jump up and bite you in the a** (Scotland, Brexit + Trump)!
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Errrr.... Trump once drew the balls for one round of the English League Cup.

Does that count?

The world has changed with the Brexit/Trump vote...........

The elitest establishment have been shown the poor of the silent majority..............

Great time for democracy............

comment by Greenisnotthecolour (U20982)
posted 39 minutes ago
What's this got to do with football?

But since it's started, this result further confirms that democracy can sometimes jump up and bite you in the a** (Scotland, Brexit + Trump)!
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Wee fat Alex Salmonds face on election night was priceless, such a sore bitter little anti english racist

Pathetic losers, they should be Hillary's new cell mates