I'm so facking angry at what's happened to us and all of the club - the players, the manager, the DoF and even the owners need to take responsibility if we get relegated having spanked the best part of £50m
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comment by Cook My Sock (U1103)
posted 10 minutes ago
And the award for most fickle fan of the century goes to......
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Fickle?!
How is it fickle to care so much about your club that you are genuinely angry when you see us throwing away PL survival. Have you even watched us? We have one way of playing which we try over and over again and if it doesn't work then that's it. You'd be facked off if you saw clear signs your club were on track to be relegated
I was a season ticket holder in the league one days and have been commenting here for years. I wasn't one of the plastics who joined last year and I don't expect us to be anything more that mid table. But when you see how clueless Ranieri has been so far, it makes your blood boil. Well mine anyway
Call me OTT but not fickle mate......
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BS - I understand you being angry and frustrated. I think a few of us are after our last 2 league performances in particular.
However I think you are being entirely unfair on a Ranieri and our owners.
Firstly for me, our owners deserve nothing but praise for the way they have run our club. They have taken us from Championship also rans to winning the Premier League. The greatest prize in English football. What more could you want from them??
They've made some decisions in the summer forced on them by people leaving and we have to trust they went through a diligent process to do so.
As for Ranieri. His biggest credit was that he left things mainly alone. Worked hard with the exiting team but tweaked and showed huge tactical awareness last seaso. Often making mind boggling decisions during games that turned out to be tactically genius.
So to suddenly criticise either our owners of a Ranieri is somewhat disingenuous to me. If they've made mistakes, then that's what humans do. But they have done so much more right than wrong.
We're Premier League champions man. Dilly ding, dilly song.
Let's trust Ranieri and our owners to improve our league position and judge in January.
You're massively overreacting here Blackstarr, we played well against Arsenal, solid at Spurs, very good against Swansea, Burnley and Palace and we've been good in the CL too. The same players but different performances, some very good, some good, some poor, not all poor.
You're massively underestimating how much the CL is taking out of us too. I've repeated this on other threads but we can't play with the same intensity while playing two games a week. Without that intensity we don't play well, we rely on it to be effective but the players don't have the energy to play like that every game, Ranieri can't change the players energy levels, that can only come by not playing as many games. This is why pundits were saying how much difference only playing once a week made last season.
What changes do you think he could actually make? Amartey played well yesterday and was better than King. I'm interested to know what you think Ranieri could have done differently?
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On the original aspect (fickle), BS is hardly of that nature. If it wasn't for his massive effort and input on this board when the club was hoping to bring in stars from abroad, all of whom I knew nothing about-and at a time of despair for the club-I'd have been none the wiser.
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comment by Cook My Sock (U1103)
posted 28 minutes ago
So that means he is not fickle?
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You're commenting without any knowledge on what I said about Ranieri when he was appointed. I voiced concern over his appointment from the outset. That's not the same as declaring him amazing when things are going well and awful when things aren't. But you wouldn't know that because you don't visit this board that often
I think he left things alone last season and made some good tweaks and credit to him for his role in the title winning season. But much of that goes to Walsh and even Pearson in my view. Now when the chips are down he hasn't been able to respond. We have one way of playing and it's taking us down to the championship in my view
Its not fickle for me to get angry at his awful managerial performance this season. It may be an over reaction but it's not fickle because I wasn't lauding him as the best manager ever last year - he did well to leave things as they were
comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted 56 minutes ago
BS - I understand you being angry and frustrated. I think a few of us are after our last 2 league performances in particular.
However I think you are being entirely unfair on a Ranieri and our owners.
Firstly for me, our owners deserve nothing but praise for the way they have run our club. They have taken us from Championship also rans to winning the Premier League. The greatest prize in English football. What more could you want from them??
They've made some decisions in the summer forced on them by people leaving and we have to trust they went through a diligent process to do so.
As for Ranieri. His biggest credit was that he left things mainly alone. Worked hard with the exiting team but tweaked and showed huge tactical awareness last seaso. Often making mind boggling decisions during games that turned out to be tactically genius.
So to suddenly criticise either our owners of a Ranieri is somewhat disingenuous to me. If they've made mistakes, then that's what humans do. But they have done so much more right than wrong.
We're Premier League champions man. Dilly ding, dilly song.
Let's trust Ranieri and our owners to improve our league position and judge in January.
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The owners deserve massive credit for what they have done with the club since they bought it but in my view will deserve criticism if we get relegated after winning the league and spending £50m in the wrong areas. Note that I'm saying if......
I'm not calling for the owners to leave the club but if they make mistakes that cost us our league position then they should be criticised because it could potentially leave us in a financial mess.
I've been pointing out since the charity shield match that I'm concerned about Ranieri and the way we are playing. It's not just a reaction to the last 2 games.
It's been getting worse in the PL week on week.
If you read the telegraph article I posted then you will see where I'm coming from. I honestly think this is a desperate situation I really believe that and it's completely avoidable
Jesus Christ why do you even give a furrrk he's got you through to the next round of the cl and you ain't in the relegation places. I can't believe that that ain't enough for the Lester fans after last season? this is so fickle and plastic it's unreal.
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comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
BS - I understand you being angry and frustrated. I think a few of us are after our last 2 league performances in particular.
However I think you are being entirely unfair on a Ranieri and our owners.
Firstly for me, our owners deserve nothing but praise for the way they have run our club. They have taken us from Championship also rans to winning the Premier League. The greatest prize in English football. What more could you want from them??
They've made some decisions in the summer forced on them by people leaving and we have to trust they went through a diligent process to do so.
As for Ranieri. His biggest credit was that he left things mainly alone. Worked hard with the exiting team but tweaked and showed huge tactical awareness last seaso. Often making mind boggling decisions during games that turned out to be tactically genius.
So to suddenly criticise either our owners of a Ranieri is somewhat disingenuous to me. If they've made mistakes, then that's what humans do. But they have done so much more right than wrong.
We're Premier League champions man. Dilly ding, dilly song.
Let's trust Ranieri and our owners to improve our league position and judge in January.
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comment by Cook My Sock (U1103)
posted 1 minute ago
Of course you never Blackstarr
http://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/340050
'What a man'
Funny how you never mentioned he had always been clueless in your gushing praise of him eh
Fickle
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That's me praising him as a human being. And he's a great guy a genuinely lovely bloke. That's not me saying he's the worlds best manager Is it??
Sorry mate but that's not proof of anything. I still think he's a great guy, a real gentleman. But I don't think he knows what to do at the minute
It's not fickle to credit the guy when he's been an honourable man and criticise him for being a very poor manager this season
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Cook - other people will testify on here that I massive doubts when we appointed him
I gave him huge credit and rightly so for leaving things as they were and making great tweaks
Now he's looking completely lost its not fickle to say that in my opinion, he could take us down. I really do think that he doesn't know what to do. Credit for last season - but absolute criticism right now because he's completely out of his depth right now
comment by Cook My Sock (U1103)
posted 1 minute ago
It seems like all you have to do to win the EPL and get to the last 16 of the CL unbeaten is to have a clueless manager and spend far less than the big 6
I am surprised it never happens every year given how easy it is
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Amazing achievement last year but the pieces were in place. Kante wasn't Ranieris signing - he didn't even want him. We had won 9 games on the bounce at the end of the previous season. We had the best scout in the league still with us unearthing the best talent. Did Ranieri sign Mahrez or Vardy? Nope
Ranieri left things alone and made some great tactical tweaks. Like I said he deserves credit but his true test comes now. When things are going badly. Can he change it? Not on the evidence so far.
The CL group has been the easiest we could have possibly faced. He's done well in that competition but no one has sussed us out yet, we are a novelty. That won't last I don't think
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comment by Wahl Icht. (U21057)
posted 13 minutes ago
Jesus Christ why do you even give a furrrk he's got you through to the next round of the cl and you ain't in the relegation places. I can't believe that that ain't enough for the Lester fans after last season? this is so fickle and plastic it's unreal.
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This coming from the poster who wants his own team, Chelsea, to lose the PL trophy to Mourinho just to spite the owners
Yeah what a fantastic fan you are wahl
comment by Cook My Sock (U1103)
posted 55 seconds ago
I understand that BS, I do
I just think to label him as clueless and always has been is very fickle
It's not personal, just my opinion, and I anot doubting your credentials as a supporter
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Ok fair enough. It's a sweeping statement to say he's always been clueless.
I'll say this - time will tell in my opinion how much of an active role he had in last seasons success. Was it down to the backroom staff and the work done before him or was it Ranieri himself etc
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posted on 27/11/16
I'm so facking angry at what's happened to us and all of the club - the players, the manager, the DoF and even the owners need to take responsibility if we get relegated having spanked the best part of £50m
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comment by Cook My Sock (U1103)
posted 10 minutes ago
And the award for most fickle fan of the century goes to......
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Fickle?!
How is it fickle to care so much about your club that you are genuinely angry when you see us throwing away PL survival. Have you even watched us? We have one way of playing which we try over and over again and if it doesn't work then that's it. You'd be facked off if you saw clear signs your club were on track to be relegated
I was a season ticket holder in the league one days and have been commenting here for years. I wasn't one of the plastics who joined last year and I don't expect us to be anything more that mid table. But when you see how clueless Ranieri has been so far, it makes your blood boil. Well mine anyway
Call me OTT but not fickle mate......
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BS - I understand you being angry and frustrated. I think a few of us are after our last 2 league performances in particular.
However I think you are being entirely unfair on a Ranieri and our owners.
Firstly for me, our owners deserve nothing but praise for the way they have run our club. They have taken us from Championship also rans to winning the Premier League. The greatest prize in English football. What more could you want from them??
They've made some decisions in the summer forced on them by people leaving and we have to trust they went through a diligent process to do so.
As for Ranieri. His biggest credit was that he left things mainly alone. Worked hard with the exiting team but tweaked and showed huge tactical awareness last seaso. Often making mind boggling decisions during games that turned out to be tactically genius.
So to suddenly criticise either our owners of a Ranieri is somewhat disingenuous to me. If they've made mistakes, then that's what humans do. But they have done so much more right than wrong.
We're Premier League champions man. Dilly ding, dilly song.
Let's trust Ranieri and our owners to improve our league position and judge in January.
posted on 27/11/16
You're massively overreacting here Blackstarr, we played well against Arsenal, solid at Spurs, very good against Swansea, Burnley and Palace and we've been good in the CL too. The same players but different performances, some very good, some good, some poor, not all poor.
You're massively underestimating how much the CL is taking out of us too. I've repeated this on other threads but we can't play with the same intensity while playing two games a week. Without that intensity we don't play well, we rely on it to be effective but the players don't have the energy to play like that every game, Ranieri can't change the players energy levels, that can only come by not playing as many games. This is why pundits were saying how much difference only playing once a week made last season.
What changes do you think he could actually make? Amartey played well yesterday and was better than King. I'm interested to know what you think Ranieri could have done differently?
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posted on 27/11/16
On the original aspect (fickle), BS is hardly of that nature. If it wasn't for his massive effort and input on this board when the club was hoping to bring in stars from abroad, all of whom I knew nothing about-and at a time of despair for the club-I'd have been none the wiser.
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a thick cook
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comment by Cook My Sock (U1103)
posted 28 minutes ago
So that means he is not fickle?
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You're commenting without any knowledge on what I said about Ranieri when he was appointed. I voiced concern over his appointment from the outset. That's not the same as declaring him amazing when things are going well and awful when things aren't. But you wouldn't know that because you don't visit this board that often
I think he left things alone last season and made some good tweaks and credit to him for his role in the title winning season. But much of that goes to Walsh and even Pearson in my view. Now when the chips are down he hasn't been able to respond. We have one way of playing and it's taking us down to the championship in my view
Its not fickle for me to get angry at his awful managerial performance this season. It may be an over reaction but it's not fickle because I wasn't lauding him as the best manager ever last year - he did well to leave things as they were
posted on 27/11/16
comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted 56 minutes ago
BS - I understand you being angry and frustrated. I think a few of us are after our last 2 league performances in particular.
However I think you are being entirely unfair on a Ranieri and our owners.
Firstly for me, our owners deserve nothing but praise for the way they have run our club. They have taken us from Championship also rans to winning the Premier League. The greatest prize in English football. What more could you want from them??
They've made some decisions in the summer forced on them by people leaving and we have to trust they went through a diligent process to do so.
As for Ranieri. His biggest credit was that he left things mainly alone. Worked hard with the exiting team but tweaked and showed huge tactical awareness last seaso. Often making mind boggling decisions during games that turned out to be tactically genius.
So to suddenly criticise either our owners of a Ranieri is somewhat disingenuous to me. If they've made mistakes, then that's what humans do. But they have done so much more right than wrong.
We're Premier League champions man. Dilly ding, dilly song.
Let's trust Ranieri and our owners to improve our league position and judge in January.
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The owners deserve massive credit for what they have done with the club since they bought it but in my view will deserve criticism if we get relegated after winning the league and spending £50m in the wrong areas. Note that I'm saying if......
I'm not calling for the owners to leave the club but if they make mistakes that cost us our league position then they should be criticised because it could potentially leave us in a financial mess.
I've been pointing out since the charity shield match that I'm concerned about Ranieri and the way we are playing. It's not just a reaction to the last 2 games.
It's been getting worse in the PL week on week.
If you read the telegraph article I posted then you will see where I'm coming from. I honestly think this is a desperate situation I really believe that and it's completely avoidable
posted on 27/11/16
Jesus Christ why do you even give a furrrk he's got you through to the next round of the cl and you ain't in the relegation places. I can't believe that that ain't enough for the Lester fans after last season? this is so fickle and plastic it's unreal.
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comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
BS - I understand you being angry and frustrated. I think a few of us are after our last 2 league performances in particular.
However I think you are being entirely unfair on a Ranieri and our owners.
Firstly for me, our owners deserve nothing but praise for the way they have run our club. They have taken us from Championship also rans to winning the Premier League. The greatest prize in English football. What more could you want from them??
They've made some decisions in the summer forced on them by people leaving and we have to trust they went through a diligent process to do so.
As for Ranieri. His biggest credit was that he left things mainly alone. Worked hard with the exiting team but tweaked and showed huge tactical awareness last seaso. Often making mind boggling decisions during games that turned out to be tactically genius.
So to suddenly criticise either our owners of a Ranieri is somewhat disingenuous to me. If they've made mistakes, then that's what humans do. But they have done so much more right than wrong.
We're Premier League champions man. Dilly ding, dilly song.
Let's trust Ranieri and our owners to improve our league position and judge in January.
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posted on 27/11/16
comment by Cook My Sock (U1103)
posted 1 minute ago
Of course you never Blackstarr
http://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/340050
'What a man'
Funny how you never mentioned he had always been clueless in your gushing praise of him eh
Fickle
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That's me praising him as a human being. And he's a great guy a genuinely lovely bloke. That's not me saying he's the worlds best manager Is it??
Sorry mate but that's not proof of anything. I still think he's a great guy, a real gentleman. But I don't think he knows what to do at the minute
It's not fickle to credit the guy when he's been an honourable man and criticise him for being a very poor manager this season
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posted on 27/11/16
Cook - other people will testify on here that I massive doubts when we appointed him
I gave him huge credit and rightly so for leaving things as they were and making great tweaks
Now he's looking completely lost its not fickle to say that in my opinion, he could take us down. I really do think that he doesn't know what to do. Credit for last season - but absolute criticism right now because he's completely out of his depth right now
posted on 27/11/16
comment by Cook My Sock (U1103)
posted 1 minute ago
It seems like all you have to do to win the EPL and get to the last 16 of the CL unbeaten is to have a clueless manager and spend far less than the big 6
I am surprised it never happens every year given how easy it is
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Amazing achievement last year but the pieces were in place. Kante wasn't Ranieris signing - he didn't even want him. We had won 9 games on the bounce at the end of the previous season. We had the best scout in the league still with us unearthing the best talent. Did Ranieri sign Mahrez or Vardy? Nope
Ranieri left things alone and made some great tactical tweaks. Like I said he deserves credit but his true test comes now. When things are going badly. Can he change it? Not on the evidence so far.
The CL group has been the easiest we could have possibly faced. He's done well in that competition but no one has sussed us out yet, we are a novelty. That won't last I don't think
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comment by Wahl Icht. (U21057)
posted 13 minutes ago
Jesus Christ why do you even give a furrrk he's got you through to the next round of the cl and you ain't in the relegation places. I can't believe that that ain't enough for the Lester fans after last season? this is so fickle and plastic it's unreal.
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This coming from the poster who wants his own team, Chelsea, to lose the PL trophy to Mourinho just to spite the owners
Yeah what a fantastic fan you are wahl
posted on 27/11/16
comment by Cook My Sock (U1103)
posted 55 seconds ago
I understand that BS, I do
I just think to label him as clueless and always has been is very fickle
It's not personal, just my opinion, and I anot doubting your credentials as a supporter
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Ok fair enough. It's a sweeping statement to say he's always been clueless.
I'll say this - time will tell in my opinion how much of an active role he had in last seasons success. Was it down to the backroom staff and the work done before him or was it Ranieri himself etc
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