And if Hazard had hit an empty net at 0-0, then Chelsea 'should' have gone on to win - oh we did!!
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4 goals scored and all by Chelsea players
We didn't deserve to win but we should have done. That we didn't wasn't down to bad luck, it was down to us not taking chances and Chelsea taking theirs. Fair play to them, they deserved to win.
And Guardiola isn't overrated, although it depends what you are judging him on. His fellow coaches rate him so highly because of his coaching methods and tactics, not just on score lines and results.
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Nah. Not overrated at all. That Barcelona team between 09-12 didn't play like they did by accident. Whether the pieces were already in place is irrelevant, you see a direct correlation between that team starting and finishing (or moving onto another philosophy) with Guardiola's managerial reign there. Similar story with Bayern Munich as well, though not to such an extravagant level
Whether or not that particular style of football is too everyone's personal taste is also irrelevant, the discipline of his players to carry out his ideals even in times of minor turbulence makes him someone you know is a serious player. Managed the two biggest clubs in the world at the time of appointment, and never lost the backing of his players. You can produce a FAR greater argument at this point that Mourinho is overrated, because he's now lost two dressing rooms in his managerial career - one quite spectacularly.
You can argue he's inflexible absolutely, but then again he's never had any reason to change.
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"whether the peices were in place is irrelavant"....
Try dropping West Ham into that league with Pep in charge....then tell me that
Pep basically had a work of art that needing touching up....
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Sheriff, Pep took an ageing Barca side that had finished 3rd in LA Liga in 2008 with huge egos and big salaries and basically reformed them into the best team i have ever watched.
And i dont say that easily as i hate barca.
Xavi and iniesta were developed beyond recognition, messi went from shooting star to superstar, they created a brand of football that everyone tried to replicate, they won two european cups and he defied mourinho on a consistent basis.
i agree that he is sometimes overrated as i see him as "one of the best" not "the best". but don't underestimate what he achieved at barcelona, it was not an easy job and surviving four years there and winning every trophy imaginable is a stunnning accomplishment.
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Barca bought brilliantly...that takes the right sort of money...something they aren't short of...and it buys the worlds absolute best..there's most of la liga - which is pretty average at best...
So who knew eh
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And Guardiola isn't overrated, although it depends what you are judging him on. His fellow coaches rate him so highly because of his coaching methods and tactics, not just on score lines and results.
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It's a results business
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so...who bought Saurez & Naymar
to name but two...?
Barca have so much money they didn't even have a shirt sponsor (Unicef)
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comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 3 hours, 25 minutes ago
And Guardiola isn't overrated, although it depends what you are judging him on. His fellow coaches rate him so highly because of his coaching methods and tactics, not just on score lines and results.
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It's a results business
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It's a good job he's got them too then. Still doesn't change the fact that you are aren't looking at the whole picture of why he's rated in the first place.
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comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 3 hours, 25 minutes ago
And Guardiola isn't overrated, although it depends what you are judging him on. His fellow coaches rate him so highly because of his coaching methods and tactics, not just on score lines and results.
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It's a results business
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It's a good job he's got them too then. Still doesn't change the fact that you are aren't looking at the whole picture of why he's rated in the first place.
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time will tell this season...domestically & in the CL
No it won't, it will tell over the course of the three years.
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No it won't, it will tell over the course of the three years.
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Ok...I'll concede that
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/dec/04/antonio-conte-pep-guardiola-three-man-defence
Good article here btw.
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https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/dec/04/antonio-conte-pep-guardiola-three-man-defence
Good article here btw.
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Yeah...small margins
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so...who bought Saurez & Naymar
to name but two...?
Barca have so much money they didn't even have a shirt sponsor (Unicef)
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not pepwhich proves my point
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But he had them
No he didn't, Suarez and Neymar both joined after Guardiola left.
Didn't he have Eto and Henry instead which is probably better than Suarez and Neymar.
Not by the time Henry went there.
I thought City were very unlucky again and if Bravo had scored with his 1st two clearances they would have been out of sight before the other City had scored!
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posted on 4/12/16
And if Hazard had hit an empty net at 0-0, then Chelsea 'should' have gone on to win - oh we did!!
posted on 4/12/16
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posted on 4/12/16
4 goals scored and all by Chelsea players
posted on 4/12/16
We didn't deserve to win but we should have done. That we didn't wasn't down to bad luck, it was down to us not taking chances and Chelsea taking theirs. Fair play to them, they deserved to win.
posted on 4/12/16
And Guardiola isn't overrated, although it depends what you are judging him on. His fellow coaches rate him so highly because of his coaching methods and tactics, not just on score lines and results.
posted on 4/12/16
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posted on 4/12/16
comment by NPE Classic (U20804)
posted 4 hours, 5 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 3 hours ago
comment by The Devil's Advocate's Advocate - I ... (U6522)
posted 8 hours, 22 minutes ago
Nah. Not overrated at all. That Barcelona team between 09-12 didn't play like they did by accident. Whether the pieces were already in place is irrelevant, you see a direct correlation between that team starting and finishing (or moving onto another philosophy) with Guardiola's managerial reign there. Similar story with Bayern Munich as well, though not to such an extravagant level
Whether or not that particular style of football is too everyone's personal taste is also irrelevant, the discipline of his players to carry out his ideals even in times of minor turbulence makes him someone you know is a serious player. Managed the two biggest clubs in the world at the time of appointment, and never lost the backing of his players. You can produce a FAR greater argument at this point that Mourinho is overrated, because he's now lost two dressing rooms in his managerial career - one quite spectacularly.
You can argue he's inflexible absolutely, but then again he's never had any reason to change.
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"whether the peices were in place is irrelavant"....
Try dropping West Ham into that league with Pep in charge....then tell me that
Pep basically had a work of art that needing touching up....
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Sheriff, Pep took an ageing Barca side that had finished 3rd in LA Liga in 2008 with huge egos and big salaries and basically reformed them into the best team i have ever watched.
And i dont say that easily as i hate barca.
Xavi and iniesta were developed beyond recognition, messi went from shooting star to superstar, they created a brand of football that everyone tried to replicate, they won two european cups and he defied mourinho on a consistent basis.
i agree that he is sometimes overrated as i see him as "one of the best" not "the best". but don't underestimate what he achieved at barcelona, it was not an easy job and surviving four years there and winning every trophy imaginable is a stunnning accomplishment.
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Barca bought brilliantly...that takes the right sort of money...something they aren't short of...and it buys the worlds absolute best..there's most of la liga - which is pretty average at best...
So who knew eh
posted on 4/12/16
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 3 hours, 25 minutes ago
And Guardiola isn't overrated, although it depends what you are judging him on. His fellow coaches rate him so highly because of his coaching methods and tactics, not just on score lines and results.
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It's a results business
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posted on 4/12/16
so...who bought Saurez & Naymar
to name but two...?
Barca have so much money they didn't even have a shirt sponsor (Unicef)
posted on 4/12/16
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 3 hours, 1 minute ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 3 hours, 25 minutes ago
And Guardiola isn't overrated, although it depends what you are judging him on. His fellow coaches rate him so highly because of his coaching methods and tactics, not just on score lines and results.
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It's a results business
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It's a good job he's got them too then. Still doesn't change the fact that you are aren't looking at the whole picture of why he's rated in the first place.
posted on 4/12/16
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 3 hours, 1 minute ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 3 hours, 25 minutes ago
And Guardiola isn't overrated, although it depends what you are judging him on. His fellow coaches rate him so highly because of his coaching methods and tactics, not just on score lines and results.
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It's a results business
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It's a good job he's got them too then. Still doesn't change the fact that you are aren't looking at the whole picture of why he's rated in the first place.
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time will tell this season...domestically & in the CL
posted on 4/12/16
No it won't, it will tell over the course of the three years.
posted on 4/12/16
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 15 minutes ago
No it won't, it will tell over the course of the three years.
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Ok...I'll concede that
posted on 4/12/16
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/dec/04/antonio-conte-pep-guardiola-three-man-defence
Good article here btw.
posted on 4/12/16
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 24 minutes ago
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/dec/04/antonio-conte-pep-guardiola-three-man-defence
Good article here btw.
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Yeah...small margins
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comment by NPE Classic (U20804)
posted 8 hours, 45 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 4 hours, 25 minutes ago
so...who bought Saurez & Naymar
to name but two...?
Barca have so much money they didn't even have a shirt sponsor (Unicef)
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not pepwhich proves my point
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But he had them
posted on 5/12/16
No he didn't, Suarez and Neymar both joined after Guardiola left.
posted on 5/12/16
Didn't he have Eto and Henry instead which is probably better than Suarez and Neymar.
posted on 5/12/16
Not by the time Henry went there.
posted on 10/12/16
Pepper knew..
posted on 10/12/16
I thought City were very unlucky again and if Bravo had scored with his 1st two clearances they would have been out of sight before the other City had scored!
posted on 31/12/16
Told you
posted on 31/12/16
Over rated
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