I think referees have generally got better over the past 15 years but the patience of fans and players has got worse.
The respect campaign is a joke.
Video replays won't really help - you'll still watch decisions and disagree with the referee's interpretation.
Take Arsenal's red card yesterday as a prime example.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 55 seconds ago
I think referees have generally got better over the past 15 years but the patience of fans and players has got worse.
The respect campaign is a joke.
Video replays won't really help - you'll still watch decisions and disagree with the referee's interpretation.
Take Arsenal's red card yesterday as a prime example.
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regarding xhaka red card it would take mostly 10/15 seconds to view the incident and reply back to the referee
http://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/361293
Borderline decisions are understandable but when a foul can be seen by every one inside the ground yet the ref refuse to give the decision is what really troubles the mind.
Take the Sterling push for example, everyone watching the game saw it but the ref refuse to give the decision.
Same with Aguero when we played Chelsea. David Luiz committed a blatant obstruction yet the ref again refused to give even a foul.
See Wanyama on Saturday again. He deliberately held the ball to prevent a breakaway. According to the rules, that is a yellow card but the ref ignored it.
All these plus many more is the reason why some of our fans are now getting really agitated in the stadium.
Everyone's just becoming harsher, 10 years ago no one had a problem with giving the benefit to the attacker
Viva_Ronaldo #lovepalestian (U19085)
And whatever the reply said, people would disagree.
So what did it solve?
Everyones an expert
After watching multiple TV camera angles
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How did the lino not see Alonso booting Hernandez on the heel inside the penalty area. He was the closest human being to the incident. They're spineless and/or clueless. The Southampton goal was clearly on side and the Arsenal one was off yet they get them back to front. Need schooling
comment by Shaun M - Na nanana na, na na na na nanana na na na na Hadi Sackooooo! (U9955)
posted 6 minutes ago
How did the lino not see Alonso booting Hernandez on the heel inside the penalty area. He was the closest human being to the incident. They're spineless and/or clueless. The Southampton goal was clearly on side and the Arsenal one was off yet they get them back to front. Need schooling
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Because Alonso can reach speeds of 200mph plus and Hernandez is just a tiny vegetable. Both can be difficult to see and involved in the same incident would you really see contact between the two?? Need to lay off the refs me.
comment by Marcus Haber (U1734)
posted 11 minutes ago
Too many foreign players is the problem. We have good proper English refs here. They make correct decisions. It’s the actions of the foreign players that is incorrect. If a player is offside but the linesman doesn’t give the offside, it’s the responsibility of the foreign player to make sure he is onside, because the linesman gave onside. Don’t come to our country start disrespecting our culture. If a linesman says your offside, be offside. Just remember we voted for you to leave, so you’re lucky to be here.
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I don't see why there can't be another ref watching rhe game live on a monitor, if the ref on the pitch is in doubt then he passes the decision to the "TV Ref" to make, and this refs decision is then final, but it only goes to the TV ref if the on field ref feels he may have missed something, and of course they're constantly al ltalking to eachother anyway.
Trial it in League 2 for a bit to see how it goes.
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 6 minutes ago
I don't see why there can't be another ref watching rhe game live on a monitor, if the ref on the pitch is in doubt then he passes the decision to the "TV Ref" to make, and this refs decision is then final, but it only goes to the TV ref if the on field ref feels he may have missed something, and of course they're constantly al ltalking to eachother anyway.
Trial it in League 2 for a bit to see how it goes.
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Do you have any idea how difficult that would be? They would need to find some sort of way of filming the match. Maybe loads of really quick pictures then put them on a reel or something. I don’t know if the technology is there. When I watch games at home on the TV I very rarely see cameras at the game. They would need to have cameras at games and that is not realistic.
I'm not a fan of video refereeing as I don't think it will solve what people think it will - I'd only consider it for decisions with a definitive answer (such as offside decisions), anything involving interpretation, then I'm not sure it adds any value.
I do think the variety of interpretation appears to have increased this season though, which is having a big impact both in game and post it in terms of subsequent suspensions.
Too many excuses are made for the refs which fosters lazy officiating.
Advancess in video technology has made them look worse overall.
I think the last few weeks or so has just been a really bad period for them. They come and go.
There is no lazy officiating. But there is an endless supply of armchair critics.
I think we need to move to a more open minded approach to interpretation. Football is moving away from being a contact sport and I think our interpretation needs to reflect this. It is not as clear cut as “was their physical contact”, or not? We need to assess each incident on an emotional and psychological basis, with a focus on gender equality. If a player goes down like a big girl it’s important for us to consider their lifestyle and take steps to be more accepting of it. Give an equal amount of decisions to players acting like big girls. Who are we to say that being a big girl is not correct? Big girls are beautiful too. But skinny models?? YUCK! You are disgusting. The way you look is incorrect. It’s important not to be nasty to someone due to their appearance. I think introducing sticks of celery instead of half time pies would also do the world of good.
Referees are no better or worse than in the past. It's just that their mistakes are more highlighted and scrutinised than ever. They are prone to human error and sometimes pure incompetence. Some limited use of video technology would help but there is great opposition to its introduction. The right to have endless discussions and arguments amongst fans seems to be preferable to using any video technology as this is seen to dilute the purity of the beautiful game.
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I agree brightdave.
The players are the main culprits, the cheating on even whose throw-in it is as almost automatic. The diving, contesting nearly every decision, the headshaking if they get a yellow for even the most blatant full. We get the referees we deserve.
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posted on 23/1/17
I think referees have generally got better over the past 15 years but the patience of fans and players has got worse.
The respect campaign is a joke.
Video replays won't really help - you'll still watch decisions and disagree with the referee's interpretation.
Take Arsenal's red card yesterday as a prime example.
posted on 23/1/17
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 55 seconds ago
I think referees have generally got better over the past 15 years but the patience of fans and players has got worse.
The respect campaign is a joke.
Video replays won't really help - you'll still watch decisions and disagree with the referee's interpretation.
Take Arsenal's red card yesterday as a prime example.
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regarding xhaka red card it would take mostly 10/15 seconds to view the incident and reply back to the referee
posted on 23/1/17
http://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/361293
posted on 23/1/17
Borderline decisions are understandable but when a foul can be seen by every one inside the ground yet the ref refuse to give the decision is what really troubles the mind.
Take the Sterling push for example, everyone watching the game saw it but the ref refuse to give the decision.
Same with Aguero when we played Chelsea. David Luiz committed a blatant obstruction yet the ref again refused to give even a foul.
See Wanyama on Saturday again. He deliberately held the ball to prevent a breakaway. According to the rules, that is a yellow card but the ref ignored it.
All these plus many more is the reason why some of our fans are now getting really agitated in the stadium.
posted on 23/1/17
Everyone's just becoming harsher, 10 years ago no one had a problem with giving the benefit to the attacker
posted on 23/1/17
Viva_Ronaldo #lovepalestian (U19085)
And whatever the reply said, people would disagree.
So what did it solve?
posted on 23/1/17
Everyones an expert
After watching multiple TV camera angles
posted on 23/1/17
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posted on 23/1/17
How did the lino not see Alonso booting Hernandez on the heel inside the penalty area. He was the closest human being to the incident. They're spineless and/or clueless. The Southampton goal was clearly on side and the Arsenal one was off yet they get them back to front. Need schooling
posted on 23/1/17
comment by Shaun M - Na nanana na, na na na na nanana na na na na Hadi Sackooooo! (U9955)
posted 6 minutes ago
How did the lino not see Alonso booting Hernandez on the heel inside the penalty area. He was the closest human being to the incident. They're spineless and/or clueless. The Southampton goal was clearly on side and the Arsenal one was off yet they get them back to front. Need schooling
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Because Alonso can reach speeds of 200mph plus and Hernandez is just a tiny vegetable. Both can be difficult to see and involved in the same incident would you really see contact between the two?? Need to lay off the refs me.
posted on 23/1/17
comment by Marcus Haber (U1734)
posted 11 minutes ago
Too many foreign players is the problem. We have good proper English refs here. They make correct decisions. It’s the actions of the foreign players that is incorrect. If a player is offside but the linesman doesn’t give the offside, it’s the responsibility of the foreign player to make sure he is onside, because the linesman gave onside. Don’t come to our country start disrespecting our culture. If a linesman says your offside, be offside. Just remember we voted for you to leave, so you’re lucky to be here.
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posted on 23/1/17
I don't see why there can't be another ref watching rhe game live on a monitor, if the ref on the pitch is in doubt then he passes the decision to the "TV Ref" to make, and this refs decision is then final, but it only goes to the TV ref if the on field ref feels he may have missed something, and of course they're constantly al ltalking to eachother anyway.
Trial it in League 2 for a bit to see how it goes.
posted on 23/1/17
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 6 minutes ago
I don't see why there can't be another ref watching rhe game live on a monitor, if the ref on the pitch is in doubt then he passes the decision to the "TV Ref" to make, and this refs decision is then final, but it only goes to the TV ref if the on field ref feels he may have missed something, and of course they're constantly al ltalking to eachother anyway.
Trial it in League 2 for a bit to see how it goes.
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Do you have any idea how difficult that would be? They would need to find some sort of way of filming the match. Maybe loads of really quick pictures then put them on a reel or something. I don’t know if the technology is there. When I watch games at home on the TV I very rarely see cameras at the game. They would need to have cameras at games and that is not realistic.
posted on 23/1/17
I'm not a fan of video refereeing as I don't think it will solve what people think it will - I'd only consider it for decisions with a definitive answer (such as offside decisions), anything involving interpretation, then I'm not sure it adds any value.
I do think the variety of interpretation appears to have increased this season though, which is having a big impact both in game and post it in terms of subsequent suspensions.
posted on 23/1/17
Too many excuses are made for the refs which fosters lazy officiating.
posted on 23/1/17
Advancess in video technology has made them look worse overall.
I think the last few weeks or so has just been a really bad period for them. They come and go.
posted on 23/1/17
There is no lazy officiating. But there is an endless supply of armchair critics.
posted on 23/1/17
I think we need to move to a more open minded approach to interpretation. Football is moving away from being a contact sport and I think our interpretation needs to reflect this. It is not as clear cut as “was their physical contact”, or not? We need to assess each incident on an emotional and psychological basis, with a focus on gender equality. If a player goes down like a big girl it’s important for us to consider their lifestyle and take steps to be more accepting of it. Give an equal amount of decisions to players acting like big girls. Who are we to say that being a big girl is not correct? Big girls are beautiful too. But skinny models?? YUCK! You are disgusting. The way you look is incorrect. It’s important not to be nasty to someone due to their appearance. I think introducing sticks of celery instead of half time pies would also do the world of good.
posted on 23/1/17
Referees are no better or worse than in the past. It's just that their mistakes are more highlighted and scrutinised than ever. They are prone to human error and sometimes pure incompetence. Some limited use of video technology would help but there is great opposition to its introduction. The right to have endless discussions and arguments amongst fans seems to be preferable to using any video technology as this is seen to dilute the purity of the beautiful game.
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I agree brightdave.
The players are the main culprits, the cheating on even whose throw-in it is as almost automatic. The diving, contesting nearly every decision, the headshaking if they get a yellow for even the most blatant full. We get the referees we deserve.
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