Chamberlain has a bit of cazorla about him when he plays centre mid. Coquelin ox with welbeck on the left, ozil in 10, walcott right and alexis up top has a good chance of getting the win we need at Stamford Bridge.
We don't win big games away from home. When was the last time we beat united or Chelsea in the league away from home
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No not really. Look at Cazorla stats last season and this season before he got injured
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comment by jollygood Ali Nadim (U10469)
posted 22 minutes ago
Chamberlain has a bit of cazorla about him when he plays centre mid. Coquelin ox with welbeck on the left, ozil in 10, walcott right and alexis up top has a good chance of getting the win we need at Stamford Bridge.
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"the win we need"... the win we need for what?
The titles gone, we are going for top 4. And we don't need 3 points at SB to get top 4.
What 15 games to go and 9 points to make up
Title is well truely gone
On a seperate note, why was Sanchez playing in such a selfish way tonight. The amount of times he had to pass the the ball to someone in an advance position but just never took. He just melts spinning on himself and losing the ball
comment by MeSuitIsTailorMadeForTheLeague #VCC (U9687)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by jollygood Ali Nadim (U10469)
posted 22 minutes ago
Chamberlain has a bit of cazorla about him when he plays centre mid. Coquelin ox with welbeck on the left, ozil in 10, walcott right and alexis up top has a good chance of getting the win we need at Stamford Bridge.
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"the win we need"... the win we need for what?
The titles gone, we are going for top 4. And we don't need 3 points at SB to get top 4.
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The win we need to have any hope of winning the title. You're being negative for the sake of it if you give us no chance with 14 games to go and 6 points to make up.
If we beat Chelsea that will be the case of course. That's why it's the win we need. If it's 9 points or more with 14 games left then I agree that we won't do it. 6 points isn't all that much though if we can cut the gap to that. Remember that an SAF led United blew an 8 point led with 6 games left.
Difference is that City team were better than any of the chasing pack in the premier league this season.
The title is Chelsea's. Nobody has the consistency to finish above them.
Arsenal have the players to win the league but a manager who is as blind as a fruit bat. He sat through the Southampton game and learned NOTHING.
We've had many performances like last night with cazorla in the side too. There's a structural problem in the team, and it's been up to the manager to solve it. I'm afraid he's completely neglected or been unable to do so.
There is no structural problem. Its just a lack of pace in key positions.
Southampton couldn't get close to our players because they were too fast. They couldn't out physical us. They couldn't press us. Ball and the players were moving too fast around them.
When you play slower players you allow big tall players to get close to you. Then it becomes a physical battle. And lets face it we have no Vieira or Gilberto in the team any more. So we lose the physical battle every time.
Southampton played a 2nd team and let us do as we pleased.
Our team have still struggled in games, even when loaded with pace.
comment by Limbo. Limbo Like Arsene. (U3732)
posted 5 minutes ago
Southampton played a 2nd team and let us do as we pleased.
Our team have still struggled in games, even when loaded with pace.
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exactly. We lost at Everton and City which pace on the field all over.
comment by Limbo. Limbo Like Arsene. (U3732)
posted 31 minutes ago
Southampton played a 2nd team and let us do as we pleased.
Our team have still struggled in games, even when loaded with pace.
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Nope. Weakened teams and in fact all limited teams, be it Watford or Preston or Southampton have one style of play when they come up against opposition they consider superior. Close them down and make it tough for them to play. They know they can't play technically faster than Arsenal or Chelsea or any top team in fact.
I don't care if you play the bottom team in the second division or the the bottom team in the premier league. They employ the same tactic. Its the tactic that defeats us because our player personnel.
So you thought Southampton made it tough for us to play?
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by Limbo. Limbo Like Arsene. (U3732)
posted 5 minutes ago
Southampton played a 2nd team and let us do as we pleased.
Our team have still struggled in games, even when loaded with pace.
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exactly. We lost at Everton and City which pace on the field all over.
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Think back to the Everton game. We dominated them and lost because Monreal was to far away from Coleman and didn't have the pace to block his run. Look at how others have performed against Everton away and how a draw against them would actually been a good result.
We completely overwhelmed Man City in the first half as well. In fact Neville said on commentary that if we had gone for it we would be 2-0 up at half and that would seal it. In the second half Wenger tactically sat back and invited pressure. Man City are too good up front not take advantage of that and won.
I said after the two loses that Wenger will learn the wrong lesson from those defeats and low and behold it happened. He started with Giroud after that, comfortable wins became tight squeakers, close wins became draws and draws became loses.
comment by Limbo. Limbo Like Arsene. (U3732)
posted 3 minutes ago
So you thought Southampton made it tough for us to play?
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They couldn't do it because faster players can easily move away from man to man marking. Its the first thing you are taught at school. If the player is faster than you give him two yards or you will get beaten. If the player is slow get as close as you can and use your body strength to out muscle him off the ball.
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by Limbo. Limbo Like Arsene. (U3732)
posted 5 minutes ago
Southampton played a 2nd team and let us do as we pleased.
Our team have still struggled in games, even when loaded with pace.
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exactly. We lost at Everton and City which pace on the field all over.
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Think back to the Everton game. We dominated them and lost because Monreal was to far away from Coleman and didn't have the pace to block his run. Look at how others have performed against Everton away and how a draw against them would actually been a good result.
We completely overwhelmed Man City in the first half as well. In fact Neville said on commentary that if we had gone for it we would be 2-0 up at half and that would seal it. In the second half Wenger tactically sat back and invited pressure. Man City are too good up front not take advantage of that and won.
I said after the two loses that Wenger will learn the wrong lesson from those defeats and low and behold it happened. He started with Giroud after that, comfortable wins became tight squeakers, close wins became draws and draws became loses.
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I am sorry pls watch the Everton and City games again. We lost these games because we were defensively naive as we were yesterday against Watford. Has absolute nothing to do with having pace on or not.
Gunnerthru, football is about tactics. When you can't play out of your own half because of the OPPOSITION you will give free kicks away and have defensive panic. This is why Klopp has been so successful in Germany and Simeone in Spain.
So its important that you can push up as a team away from your own goal and move the play up the pitch towards the opposing goal. Its that simple. If you then make a mistake as a defender the chance created doesn't mean an automatic shot on your goal. And you have time as defender to get back to recover from the mistake made.
You cannot push up as a team if the opposition is camped in your half. The only way to push teams back towards their own goal is to have a fast striker. Then the opposing defenders have to respect your striker and they drop deep so that no one can get in behind in the space they leave when they push up to press you.
You cannot push up as a team if the opposition is camped in your half. The only way to push teams back towards their own goal is to have a fast striker. Then the opposing defenders have to respect your striker and they drop deep so that no one can get in behind in the space they leave when they push up to press you.
If that is right why didnt we win against City and Everton?
If that is right why didnt we win against City and Everton?
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I told you why above. It wasn't because we were dominated by Everton like we were by Watford in the first half. And against Man City we sat back after going ahead instead of continuing to attack.
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posted on 31/1/17
Chamberlain has a bit of cazorla about him when he plays centre mid. Coquelin ox with welbeck on the left, ozil in 10, walcott right and alexis up top has a good chance of getting the win we need at Stamford Bridge.
posted on 31/1/17
We don't win big games away from home. When was the last time we beat united or Chelsea in the league away from home
posted on 31/1/17
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posted on 31/1/17
No not really. Look at Cazorla stats last season and this season before he got injured
posted on 31/1/17
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posted on 31/1/17
comment by jollygood Ali Nadim (U10469)
posted 22 minutes ago
Chamberlain has a bit of cazorla about him when he plays centre mid. Coquelin ox with welbeck on the left, ozil in 10, walcott right and alexis up top has a good chance of getting the win we need at Stamford Bridge.
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"the win we need"... the win we need for what?
The titles gone, we are going for top 4. And we don't need 3 points at SB to get top 4.
posted on 31/1/17
What 15 games to go and 9 points to make up
Title is well truely gone
posted on 31/1/17
On a seperate note, why was Sanchez playing in such a selfish way tonight. The amount of times he had to pass the the ball to someone in an advance position but just never took. He just melts spinning on himself and losing the ball
posted on 31/1/17
comment by MeSuitIsTailorMadeForTheLeague #VCC (U9687)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by jollygood Ali Nadim (U10469)
posted 22 minutes ago
Chamberlain has a bit of cazorla about him when he plays centre mid. Coquelin ox with welbeck on the left, ozil in 10, walcott right and alexis up top has a good chance of getting the win we need at Stamford Bridge.
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"the win we need"... the win we need for what?
The titles gone, we are going for top 4. And we don't need 3 points at SB to get top 4.
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The win we need to have any hope of winning the title. You're being negative for the sake of it if you give us no chance with 14 games to go and 6 points to make up.
posted on 31/1/17
If we beat Chelsea that will be the case of course. That's why it's the win we need. If it's 9 points or more with 14 games left then I agree that we won't do it. 6 points isn't all that much though if we can cut the gap to that. Remember that an SAF led United blew an 8 point led with 6 games left.
posted on 31/1/17
Difference is that City team were better than any of the chasing pack in the premier league this season.
The title is Chelsea's. Nobody has the consistency to finish above them.
posted on 31/1/17
Arsenal have the players to win the league but a manager who is as blind as a fruit bat. He sat through the Southampton game and learned NOTHING.
posted on 1/2/17
We've had many performances like last night with cazorla in the side too. There's a structural problem in the team, and it's been up to the manager to solve it. I'm afraid he's completely neglected or been unable to do so.
posted on 1/2/17
There is no structural problem. Its just a lack of pace in key positions.
Southampton couldn't get close to our players because they were too fast. They couldn't out physical us. They couldn't press us. Ball and the players were moving too fast around them.
When you play slower players you allow big tall players to get close to you. Then it becomes a physical battle. And lets face it we have no Vieira or Gilberto in the team any more. So we lose the physical battle every time.
posted on 1/2/17
Southampton played a 2nd team and let us do as we pleased.
Our team have still struggled in games, even when loaded with pace.
posted on 1/2/17
comment by Limbo. Limbo Like Arsene. (U3732)
posted 5 minutes ago
Southampton played a 2nd team and let us do as we pleased.
Our team have still struggled in games, even when loaded with pace.
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exactly. We lost at Everton and City which pace on the field all over.
posted on 1/2/17
comment by Limbo. Limbo Like Arsene. (U3732)
posted 31 minutes ago
Southampton played a 2nd team and let us do as we pleased.
Our team have still struggled in games, even when loaded with pace.
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Nope. Weakened teams and in fact all limited teams, be it Watford or Preston or Southampton have one style of play when they come up against opposition they consider superior. Close them down and make it tough for them to play. They know they can't play technically faster than Arsenal or Chelsea or any top team in fact.
I don't care if you play the bottom team in the second division or the the bottom team in the premier league. They employ the same tactic. Its the tactic that defeats us because our player personnel.
posted on 1/2/17
So you thought Southampton made it tough for us to play?
posted on 1/2/17
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by Limbo. Limbo Like Arsene. (U3732)
posted 5 minutes ago
Southampton played a 2nd team and let us do as we pleased.
Our team have still struggled in games, even when loaded with pace.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
exactly. We lost at Everton and City which pace on the field all over.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Think back to the Everton game. We dominated them and lost because Monreal was to far away from Coleman and didn't have the pace to block his run. Look at how others have performed against Everton away and how a draw against them would actually been a good result.
We completely overwhelmed Man City in the first half as well. In fact Neville said on commentary that if we had gone for it we would be 2-0 up at half and that would seal it. In the second half Wenger tactically sat back and invited pressure. Man City are too good up front not take advantage of that and won.
I said after the two loses that Wenger will learn the wrong lesson from those defeats and low and behold it happened. He started with Giroud after that, comfortable wins became tight squeakers, close wins became draws and draws became loses.
posted on 1/2/17
comment by Limbo. Limbo Like Arsene. (U3732)
posted 3 minutes ago
So you thought Southampton made it tough for us to play?
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They couldn't do it because faster players can easily move away from man to man marking. Its the first thing you are taught at school. If the player is faster than you give him two yards or you will get beaten. If the player is slow get as close as you can and use your body strength to out muscle him off the ball.
posted on 1/2/17
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by Limbo. Limbo Like Arsene. (U3732)
posted 5 minutes ago
Southampton played a 2nd team and let us do as we pleased.
Our team have still struggled in games, even when loaded with pace.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
exactly. We lost at Everton and City which pace on the field all over.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Think back to the Everton game. We dominated them and lost because Monreal was to far away from Coleman and didn't have the pace to block his run. Look at how others have performed against Everton away and how a draw against them would actually been a good result.
We completely overwhelmed Man City in the first half as well. In fact Neville said on commentary that if we had gone for it we would be 2-0 up at half and that would seal it. In the second half Wenger tactically sat back and invited pressure. Man City are too good up front not take advantage of that and won.
I said after the two loses that Wenger will learn the wrong lesson from those defeats and low and behold it happened. He started with Giroud after that, comfortable wins became tight squeakers, close wins became draws and draws became loses.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I am sorry pls watch the Everton and City games again. We lost these games because we were defensively naive as we were yesterday against Watford. Has absolute nothing to do with having pace on or not.
posted on 1/2/17
Gunnerthru, football is about tactics. When you can't play out of your own half because of the OPPOSITION you will give free kicks away and have defensive panic. This is why Klopp has been so successful in Germany and Simeone in Spain.
So its important that you can push up as a team away from your own goal and move the play up the pitch towards the opposing goal. Its that simple. If you then make a mistake as a defender the chance created doesn't mean an automatic shot on your goal. And you have time as defender to get back to recover from the mistake made.
You cannot push up as a team if the opposition is camped in your half. The only way to push teams back towards their own goal is to have a fast striker. Then the opposing defenders have to respect your striker and they drop deep so that no one can get in behind in the space they leave when they push up to press you.
posted on 1/2/17
You cannot push up as a team if the opposition is camped in your half. The only way to push teams back towards their own goal is to have a fast striker. Then the opposing defenders have to respect your striker and they drop deep so that no one can get in behind in the space they leave when they push up to press you.
If that is right why didnt we win against City and Everton?
posted on 1/2/17
If that is right why didnt we win against City and Everton?
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I told you why above. It wasn't because we were dominated by Everton like we were by Watford in the first half. And against Man City we sat back after going ahead instead of continuing to attack.
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