Everyone regards rodgers as a bit of a running joke after his time at Liverpool, but it's quite clear that owners have a much bigger say on the success of a team than a manager:
Look at Klopp. the sun shone out of his backside in 2013, now he's regarded as a bit of a running joke, much like Rodgers, even though his net spend over three transfer windows is at a profit due to beign handicapped by the club's owners - sound familiar?
Look at Chelsea: their squad is expensve enough and deep enough for their players to decide who they want to play for. To decide that Jose is a great manager one year and a complete loser the next year. Conte is a genius this year, but next year who's to say that Chesea's players wn't down tools again and turn Conte into a busted flush.
Look at Guardiola - The sun shone out of his backside at Barca, now he's a fraud because he's at a Man City side that's always had an iffy defence even before his arrival. Who is to say that the fraud won't suddenly become a genius again when the owners decide to splash the cash over the summer?
now he's regarded as a bit of a running joke
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Who by? Insecure teenagers?
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He is now ripping teams apart in Scotland
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if he wasn't doing this with Celtic I'd be pretty worried. its like having a championship level side facing sunday league teams
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No it's not.
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Whilst I agree that Managers' reputations ebb and flow game by game in the case of Rodgers I'm not sure if his success in a non-competitive league like Scotland is enough to warrant his return to a big club in the Prem. I'd rather see him return to a lesser club and prove his worth.
It would be a big gamble in my view as would Eddie Howe who has never managed a big club or coped with the CL, big expectations, big egos etc etc
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one man can save us
Garry Monk
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What about Alan 'Curbs' Curbishly?
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Ok what about Barry 'The Fry' Fry?
Eddie Howe? At least you'd be able to play Wilshere most weeks.
"We lack grit and British managers are the best at creating teams with grit."
How many of these gritty British managers have won the league...? Or even gotten close?
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posted 10 minutes ago
"We lack grit and British managers are the best at creating teams with grit."
How many of these gritty British managers have won the league...? Or even gotten close?
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SAF, Brendan Rodgers came v close, before him there were loads George Graham, Howard Wilkinson, Bob Paisley etc
The OP seems like he's trying way too hard to be a poor imitation of Barry Smith
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The OP seems like he's trying way too hard to be a poor imitation of Barry Smith
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Barry Smith isn't he the bloke on the V8 air ram vacuum cleaner adverts who is making out that he is holding a gun and being all macho when in fact his wife has just told him to do the stairs?
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comment by Song's gone but Santi coming to town makes it feel like Christmas every day (U12977)
posted 10 minutes ago
"We lack grit and British managers are the best at creating teams with grit."
How many of these gritty British managers have won the league...? Or even gotten close?
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SAF, Brendan Rodgers came v close, before him there were loads George Graham, Howard Wilkinson, Bob Paisley etc
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No point going historic because the OP is talking about a gritty British manager in place of the supposed overflow of foreign managers. So from your list... SAF? And Rogers?
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posted 26 minutes ago
Eddie Howe? At least you'd be able to play Wilshere most weeks.
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Cor that Wilshere deal was a blinder. Let Bournemouth have him all season without a clause that we can have him back if we need him. Hey after all it's not as if Arsenal are known to be injury prone.
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posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Song's gone but Santi coming to town makes it feel like Christmas every day (U12977)
posted 10 minutes ago
"We lack grit and British managers are the best at creating teams with grit."
How many of these gritty British managers have won the league...? Or even gotten close?
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SAF, Brendan Rodgers came v close, before him there were loads George Graham, Howard Wilkinson, Bob Paisley etc
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No point going historic because the OP is talking about a gritty British manager in place of the supposed overflow of foreign managers. So from your list... SAF? And Rogers?
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Well to be fair mate SAF is the epitomy of a gritty old school British manager and he didn't do too badly.
Having said that there aren't any current Brits who warrant a top job at the moment.
I'd give it to Simeone but he wouldn't fit in with all the old Etonians which make up our Board members
The Prem?
Two!
How many have managed clubs in the CL?
Two
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posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Song's gone but Santi coming to town makes it feel like Christmas every day (U12977)
posted 10 minutes ago
"We lack grit and British managers are the best at creating teams with grit."
How many of these gritty British managers have won the league...? Or even gotten close?
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SAF, Brendan Rodgers came v close, before him there were loads George Graham, Howard Wilkinson, Bob Paisley etc
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No point going historic because the OP is talking about a gritty British manager in place of the supposed overflow of foreign managers. So from your list... SAF? And Rogers?
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Well to be fair mate SAF is the epitomy of a gritty old school British manager and he didn't do too badly.
Having said that there aren't any current Brits who warrant a top job at the moment.
I'd give it to Simeone but he wouldn't fit in with all the old Etonians which make up our Board members
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Gin, I agree with you. My point (initially to the OP) was that the list of these managers who have won the league (or gotten close) is so small that to focus on wanting a gritty, British manager isn't (in my opinion) the right way. Grit is good but the game has gone so far beyond that. I don't care where a manager comes from but what I DO care about is improvement of the British game, whether it's changing the way grassroots football is played or better use of British players. And if a British manager warrants a contract at a big club, great, but not solely on the basis that "British managers are the best at creating teams with grit"...
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Everyone regards rodgers as a bit of a running joke after his time at Liverpool, but it's quite clear that owners have a much bigger say on the success of a team than a manager:
Look at Klopp. the sun shone out of his backside in 2013, now he's regarded as a bit of a running joke, much like Rodgers, even though his net spend over three transfer windows is at a profit due to beign handicapped by the club's owners - sound familiar?
Look at Chelsea: their squad is expensve enough and deep enough for their players to decide who they want to play for. To decide that Jose is a great manager one year and a complete loser the next year. Conte is a genius this year, but next year who's to say that Chesea's players wn't down tools again and turn Conte into a busted flush.
Look at Guardiola - The sun shone out of his backside at Barca, now he's a fraud because he's at a Man City side that's always had an iffy defence even before his arrival. Who is to say that the fraud won't suddenly become a genius again when the owners decide to splash the cash over the summer?
posted on 8/2/17
now he's regarded as a bit of a running joke
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Who by? Insecure teenagers?
posted on 8/2/17
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comment by Yee (U3245)
posted 31 seconds ago
He is now ripping teams apart in Scotland
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if he wasn't doing this with Celtic I'd be pretty worried. its like having a championship level side facing sunday league teams
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No it's not.
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It really isn't.
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posted on 8/2/17
Whilst I agree that Managers' reputations ebb and flow game by game in the case of Rodgers I'm not sure if his success in a non-competitive league like Scotland is enough to warrant his return to a big club in the Prem. I'd rather see him return to a lesser club and prove his worth.
It would be a big gamble in my view as would Eddie Howe who has never managed a big club or coped with the CL, big expectations, big egos etc etc
posted on 8/2/17
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comment by Yee (U3245)
posted 8 minutes ago
one man can save us
Garry Monk
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What about Alan 'Curbs' Curbishly?
posted on 8/2/17
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posted on 8/2/17
Ok what about Barry 'The Fry' Fry?
posted on 8/2/17
Eddie Howe? At least you'd be able to play Wilshere most weeks.
posted on 8/2/17
"We lack grit and British managers are the best at creating teams with grit."
How many of these gritty British managers have won the league...? Or even gotten close?
posted on 8/2/17
comment by Song's gone but Santi coming to town makes it feel like Christmas every day (U12977)
posted 10 minutes ago
"We lack grit and British managers are the best at creating teams with grit."
How many of these gritty British managers have won the league...? Or even gotten close?
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SAF, Brendan Rodgers came v close, before him there were loads George Graham, Howard Wilkinson, Bob Paisley etc
posted on 8/2/17
The OP seems like he's trying way too hard to be a poor imitation of Barry Smith
posted on 8/2/17
comment by Wenger delenda est (U4449)
posted 44 seconds ago
The OP seems like he's trying way too hard to be a poor imitation of Barry Smith
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Barry Smith isn't he the bloke on the V8 air ram vacuum cleaner adverts who is making out that he is holding a gun and being all macho when in fact his wife has just told him to do the stairs?
posted on 8/2/17
comment by The Gin Palace (U21084)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Song's gone but Santi coming to town makes it feel like Christmas every day (U12977)
posted 10 minutes ago
"We lack grit and British managers are the best at creating teams with grit."
How many of these gritty British managers have won the league...? Or even gotten close?
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SAF, Brendan Rodgers came v close, before him there were loads George Graham, Howard Wilkinson, Bob Paisley etc
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No point going historic because the OP is talking about a gritty British manager in place of the supposed overflow of foreign managers. So from your list... SAF? And Rogers?
posted on 8/2/17
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 26 minutes ago
Eddie Howe? At least you'd be able to play Wilshere most weeks.
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Cor that Wilshere deal was a blinder. Let Bournemouth have him all season without a clause that we can have him back if we need him. Hey after all it's not as if Arsenal are known to be injury prone.
posted on 8/2/17
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comment by The Gin Palace (U21084)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Song's gone but Santi coming to town makes it feel like Christmas every day (U12977)
posted 10 minutes ago
"We lack grit and British managers are the best at creating teams with grit."
How many of these gritty British managers have won the league...? Or even gotten close?
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SAF, Brendan Rodgers came v close, before him there were loads George Graham, Howard Wilkinson, Bob Paisley etc
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No point going historic because the OP is talking about a gritty British manager in place of the supposed overflow of foreign managers. So from your list... SAF? And Rogers?
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Well to be fair mate SAF is the epitomy of a gritty old school British manager and he didn't do too badly.
Having said that there aren't any current Brits who warrant a top job at the moment.
I'd give it to Simeone but he wouldn't fit in with all the old Etonians which make up our Board members
posted on 8/2/17
The Prem?
Two!
How many have managed clubs in the CL?
Two
posted on 8/2/17
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Gin Palace (U21084)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Song's gone but Santi coming to town makes it feel like Christmas every day (U12977)
posted 10 minutes ago
"We lack grit and British managers are the best at creating teams with grit."
How many of these gritty British managers have won the league...? Or even gotten close?
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SAF, Brendan Rodgers came v close, before him there were loads George Graham, Howard Wilkinson, Bob Paisley etc
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No point going historic because the OP is talking about a gritty British manager in place of the supposed overflow of foreign managers. So from your list... SAF? And Rogers?
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Well to be fair mate SAF is the epitomy of a gritty old school British manager and he didn't do too badly.
Having said that there aren't any current Brits who warrant a top job at the moment.
I'd give it to Simeone but he wouldn't fit in with all the old Etonians which make up our Board members
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Gin, I agree with you. My point (initially to the OP) was that the list of these managers who have won the league (or gotten close) is so small that to focus on wanting a gritty, British manager isn't (in my opinion) the right way. Grit is good but the game has gone so far beyond that. I don't care where a manager comes from but what I DO care about is improvement of the British game, whether it's changing the way grassroots football is played or better use of British players. And if a British manager warrants a contract at a big club, great, but not solely on the basis that "British managers are the best at creating teams with grit"...
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