comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 16 seconds ago
Lamela returning wont make a blind bit of difference. When fit he's usually the first to be subbed. Of our best starting 11 (if he even makes it in, he's the least important) Our biggest problem is our squad size and quality made worse but the fact we spunked 47 million quid on Janssen & Sissoko.... Neither of who'm are good enough to make a top 4 squad
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The way people on this board talk about Lamela coming back, you'd think we were missing Hazard.
I agree he isn't the most effective player. Better than having to resort to Janssen, Sissoko and N'Koudou though.
The way people are going it's like we've turned in a rubbish team
It's been what a bad month? Come on ffs people need to get a grip a little bit.
Having Verts & Rose back is massive and we'll go back
On a good run.
The squad does need a bit of a overhaul though but Lamela back would certainly help majorly imo as he's the closet player in terms of technique to Eriksen we have.
Let's not forget he was very good last season and was one of the better players early on in the season too
comment by The Hengy (U9129)
posted 59 minutes ago
The way people are going it's like we've turned in a rubbish team
It's been what a bad month? Come on ffs people need to get a grip a little bit.
Having Verts & Rose back is massive and we'll go back
On a good run.
The squad does need a bit of a overhaul though but Lamela back would certainly help majorly imo as he's the closet player in terms of technique to Eriksen we have.
Let's not forget he was very good last season and was one of the better players early on in the season too
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Sorry Mate... but cannot agree on the Lamela/Eriksen comparison... Eric is so one footed/ predictable its a joke. Eriksen is inconsistent but they are leagues apart in terms of talent /creativity. Lamela's best quality is his work ethic....... a sad reflection on a 30mln quid player
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by The Hengy (U9129)
posted 59 minutes ago
The way people are going it's like we've turned in a rubbish team
It's been what a bad month? Come on ffs people need to get a grip a little bit.
Having Verts & Rose back is massive and we'll go back
On a good run.
The squad does need a bit of a overhaul though but Lamela back would certainly help majorly imo as he's the closet player in terms of technique to Eriksen we have.
Let's not forget he was very good last season and was one of the better players early on in the season too
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Sorry Mate... but cannot agree on the Lamela/Eriksen comparison... Eric is so one footed/ predictable its a joke. Eriksen is inconsistent but they are leagues apart in terms of talent /creativity. Lamela's best quality is his work ethic....... a sad reflection on a 30mln quid player
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don't agree with your assessment of Lamela,
yes he does work hard, but he is a very unpredictable player and has weighed in with quite a few important assists, if not goals, over the last year or so.
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by The Hengy (U9129)
posted 59 minutes ago
The way people are going it's like we've turned in a rubbish team
It's been what a bad month? Come on ffs people need to get a grip a little bit.
Having Verts & Rose back is massive and we'll go back
On a good run.
The squad does need a bit of a overhaul though but Lamela back would certainly help majorly imo as he's the closet player in terms of technique to Eriksen we have.
Let's not forget he was very good last season and was one of the better players early on in the season too
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Sorry Mate... but cannot agree on the Lamela/Eriksen comparison... Eric is so one footed/ predictable its a joke. Eriksen is inconsistent but they are leagues apart in terms of talent /creativity. Lamela's best quality is his work ethic....... a sad reflection on a 30mln quid player
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Best technical player at Spurs is Dembele by some distance... sadly like the rest of the attacking players this year.... been very up & down
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 2 hours, 40 minutes ago
comment by The Hengy (U9129)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Aaron ManyGuns (U20811)
posted 36 seconds ago
I wish I knew what's wrong with Janssen.
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He was a big fish in a crap league, like Altidore, Depay and Kuyt were before him.
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Not really though was he.
Was his first season in the top Dutch league after playing 2 seasons in the league below
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I don't really get what you mean, but it's obvious to anyone the Dutch league is utterly crap, and he scored an awful lot of goals in it. Now he's come to the PL and is struggling to score just one goal from open play.
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Yet you cant beat a team, playing in a league worse than the Dutch league
comment by Dude Bro (U1250)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 2 hours, 40 minutes ago
comment by The Hengy (U9129)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Aaron ManyGuns (U20811)
posted 36 seconds ago
I wish I knew what's wrong with Janssen.
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He was a big fish in a crap league, like Altidore, Depay and Kuyt were before him.
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Not really though was he.
Was his first season in the top Dutch league after playing 2 seasons in the league below
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I don't really get what you mean, but it's obvious to anyone the Dutch league is utterly crap, and he scored an awful lot of goals in it. Now he's come to the PL and is struggling to score just one goal from open play.
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Yet you cant beat a team, playing in a league worse than the Dutch league
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you have been lingering around here for the whole day, and you don't even have the balls to state the team you support in your profile. you monotonous littlecunt. fack off.
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Hengy (U9129)
posted 59 minutes ago
The way people are going it's like we've turned in a rubbish team
It's been what a bad month? Come on ffs people need to get a grip a little bit.
Having Verts & Rose back is massive and we'll go back
On a good run.
The squad does need a bit of a overhaul though but Lamela back would certainly help majorly imo as he's the closet player in terms of technique to Eriksen we have.
Let's not forget he was very good last season and was one of the better players early on in the season too
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Sorry Mate... but cannot agree on the Lamela/Eriksen comparison... Eric is so one footed/ predictable its a joke. Eriksen is inconsistent but they are leagues apart in terms of talent /creativity. Lamela's best quality is his work ethic....... a sad reflection on a 30mln quid player
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The standard incredibly inaccurate view on Lamela
comment by Chronic (U3423)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by The Hengy (U9129)
posted 59 minutes ago
The way people are going it's like we've turned in a rubbish team
It's been what a bad month? Come on ffs people need to get a grip a little bit.
Having Verts & Rose back is massive and we'll go back
On a good run.
The squad does need a bit of a overhaul though but Lamela back would certainly help majorly imo as he's the closet player in terms of technique to Eriksen we have.
Let's not forget he was very good last season and was one of the better players early on in the season too
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Sorry Mate... but cannot agree on the Lamela/Eriksen comparison... Eric is so one footed/ predictable its a joke. Eriksen is inconsistent but they are leagues apart in terms of talent /creativity. Lamela's best quality is his work ethic....... a sad reflection on a 30mln quid player
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don't agree with your assessment of Lamela,
yes he does work hard, but he is a very unpredictable player and has weighed in with quite a few important assists, if not goals, over the last year or so.
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I think unpredictable is a nice way of saying he doesn't know what he's doing...... I think of him losing the ball, making stupid tackles, running down blind alleys & getting shown to his right (always leads to nothing) more than goals/ assists (Granted the assist for Eriksen at City last season was great, as was his header at Everton opening game of this season. Other than that the vast majority of his good performances have been against the Prem whipping boys & Europa League pub teams.
comment by The Hengy (U9129)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Hengy (U9129)
posted 59 minutes ago
The way people are going it's like we've turned in a rubbish team
It's been what a bad month? Come on ffs people need to get a grip a little bit.
Having Verts & Rose back is massive and we'll go back
On a good run.
The squad does need a bit of a overhaul though but Lamela back would certainly help majorly imo as he's the closet player in terms of technique to Eriksen we have.
Let's not forget he was very good last season and was one of the better players early on in the season too
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Sorry Mate... but cannot agree on the Lamela/Eriksen comparison... Eric is so one footed/ predictable its a joke. Eriksen is inconsistent but they are leagues apart in terms of talent /creativity. Lamela's best quality is his work ethic....... a sad reflection on a 30mln quid player
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The standard incredibly inaccurate view on Lamela
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Not saying he's terrible, He's not. He was overpriced, overated by some Spurs fans (me included) who are desperate for him to do well (esp given how bad he was at the start). No way he would get into the 1st 11 at Chelsea, City, Arsenal, United, Liverpool, Everton or prob Southampton where nearly all our other first teamers would. He plays for us because of what he cost, MoPo is an Argie and Im sure Levy needs him in the shop window
No way he would get into the 1st 11 at Chelsea, City, Arsenal, United, Liverpool, Everton or prob Southampton where nearly all our other first teamers would. He plays for us because of what he cost, MoPo is an Argie and Im sure Levy needs him in the shop window
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I just cannot agree with that.
he was a fundamental and key part of the squad that last year achieved our highest ever PL finish....
Lamela was the 8th top Assister last season joint with Alli.
1 behind De bruyne 2 behind Marhez.
He'd 100% get in both Everton and Southampton teams easily and tbh probably arsenals over the likes of Ox, Iwobi & Walcott
Problem with Lamela people either incredibly over rate him or incredibly under rate him.
He a good player who when fit gives us another creative option.
No brainer to want him fit and ready to play
Fair debate guys !!! He's not my fav but I cannot argue your stats. As an additional point for discussion.... If we received something close to what we paid for him (25-30mln) would you sell this summer, would you want to keep regardless or do you think he's done enough to justify Levy looking for a big profit should he want to sell/ Player want a move ? I know its paper talk but have been a few stories that he's unsettled/family issues.. ???????
He wouldn't be on my list of players to sell but I'm a person that if a player wants to go then let them regardless.
I think Lamela and Son would make our bench quite strong in terms of bringing them on in 70 minutes to harass opposition defenders.
Sadly i think Lamela is gone whatever has happened and by all accounts it is something very upsetting for him i do not think his contrubution will be of any use between now and the end of the season.
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 21 hours, 52 minutes ago
comment by Chronic (U3423)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by The Hengy (U9129)
posted 59 minutes ago
The way people are going it's like we've turned in a rubbish team
It's been what a bad month? Come on ffs people need to get a grip a little bit.
Having Verts & Rose back is massive and we'll go back
On a good run.
The squad does need a bit of a overhaul though but Lamela back would certainly help majorly imo as he's the closet player in terms of technique to Eriksen we have.
Let's not forget he was very good last season and was one of the better players early on in the season too
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Sorry Mate... but cannot agree on the Lamela/Eriksen comparison... Eric is so one footed/ predictable its a joke. Eriksen is inconsistent but they are leagues apart in terms of talent /creativity. Lamela's best quality is his work ethic....... a sad reflection on a 30mln quid player
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don't agree with your assessment of Lamela,
yes he does work hard, but he is a very unpredictable player and has weighed in with quite a few important assists, if not goals, over the last year or so.
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I think unpredictable is a nice way of saying he doesn't know what he's doing...... I think of him losing the ball, making stupid tackles, running down blind alleys & getting shown to his right (always leads to nothing) more than goals/ assists (Granted the assist for Eriksen at City last season was great, as was his header at Everton opening game of this season. Other than that the vast majority of his good performances have been against the Prem whipping boys & Europa League pub teams.
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Pub teams such as City, United and Chelsea? Teams he either scored and/or assisted against last season?
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posted on 17/2/17
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 16 seconds ago
Lamela returning wont make a blind bit of difference. When fit he's usually the first to be subbed. Of our best starting 11 (if he even makes it in, he's the least important) Our biggest problem is our squad size and quality made worse but the fact we spunked 47 million quid on Janssen & Sissoko.... Neither of who'm are good enough to make a top 4 squad
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The way people on this board talk about Lamela coming back, you'd think we were missing Hazard.
I agree he isn't the most effective player. Better than having to resort to Janssen, Sissoko and N'Koudou though.
posted on 17/2/17
The way people are going it's like we've turned in a rubbish team
It's been what a bad month? Come on ffs people need to get a grip a little bit.
Having Verts & Rose back is massive and we'll go back
On a good run.
The squad does need a bit of a overhaul though but Lamela back would certainly help majorly imo as he's the closet player in terms of technique to Eriksen we have.
Let's not forget he was very good last season and was one of the better players early on in the season too
posted on 17/2/17
comment by The Hengy (U9129)
posted 59 minutes ago
The way people are going it's like we've turned in a rubbish team
It's been what a bad month? Come on ffs people need to get a grip a little bit.
Having Verts & Rose back is massive and we'll go back
On a good run.
The squad does need a bit of a overhaul though but Lamela back would certainly help majorly imo as he's the closet player in terms of technique to Eriksen we have.
Let's not forget he was very good last season and was one of the better players early on in the season too
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Sorry Mate... but cannot agree on the Lamela/Eriksen comparison... Eric is so one footed/ predictable its a joke. Eriksen is inconsistent but they are leagues apart in terms of talent /creativity. Lamela's best quality is his work ethic....... a sad reflection on a 30mln quid player
posted on 17/2/17
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by The Hengy (U9129)
posted 59 minutes ago
The way people are going it's like we've turned in a rubbish team
It's been what a bad month? Come on ffs people need to get a grip a little bit.
Having Verts & Rose back is massive and we'll go back
On a good run.
The squad does need a bit of a overhaul though but Lamela back would certainly help majorly imo as he's the closet player in terms of technique to Eriksen we have.
Let's not forget he was very good last season and was one of the better players early on in the season too
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sorry Mate... but cannot agree on the Lamela/Eriksen comparison... Eric is so one footed/ predictable its a joke. Eriksen is inconsistent but they are leagues apart in terms of talent /creativity. Lamela's best quality is his work ethic....... a sad reflection on a 30mln quid player
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don't agree with your assessment of Lamela,
yes he does work hard, but he is a very unpredictable player and has weighed in with quite a few important assists, if not goals, over the last year or so.
posted on 17/2/17
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by The Hengy (U9129)
posted 59 minutes ago
The way people are going it's like we've turned in a rubbish team
It's been what a bad month? Come on ffs people need to get a grip a little bit.
Having Verts & Rose back is massive and we'll go back
On a good run.
The squad does need a bit of a overhaul though but Lamela back would certainly help majorly imo as he's the closet player in terms of technique to Eriksen we have.
Let's not forget he was very good last season and was one of the better players early on in the season too
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sorry Mate... but cannot agree on the Lamela/Eriksen comparison... Eric is so one footed/ predictable its a joke. Eriksen is inconsistent but they are leagues apart in terms of talent /creativity. Lamela's best quality is his work ethic....... a sad reflection on a 30mln quid player
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Best technical player at Spurs is Dembele by some distance... sadly like the rest of the attacking players this year.... been very up & down
posted on 17/2/17
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 2 hours, 40 minutes ago
comment by The Hengy (U9129)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Aaron ManyGuns (U20811)
posted 36 seconds ago
I wish I knew what's wrong with Janssen.
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He was a big fish in a crap league, like Altidore, Depay and Kuyt were before him.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not really though was he.
Was his first season in the top Dutch league after playing 2 seasons in the league below
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I don't really get what you mean, but it's obvious to anyone the Dutch league is utterly crap, and he scored an awful lot of goals in it. Now he's come to the PL and is struggling to score just one goal from open play.
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Yet you cant beat a team, playing in a league worse than the Dutch league
posted on 17/2/17
comment by Dude Bro (U1250)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 2 hours, 40 minutes ago
comment by The Hengy (U9129)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Aaron ManyGuns (U20811)
posted 36 seconds ago
I wish I knew what's wrong with Janssen.
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He was a big fish in a crap league, like Altidore, Depay and Kuyt were before him.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not really though was he.
Was his first season in the top Dutch league after playing 2 seasons in the league below
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I don't really get what you mean, but it's obvious to anyone the Dutch league is utterly crap, and he scored an awful lot of goals in it. Now he's come to the PL and is struggling to score just one goal from open play.
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Yet you cant beat a team, playing in a league worse than the Dutch league
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you have been lingering around here for the whole day, and you don't even have the balls to state the team you support in your profile. you monotonous littlecunt. fack off.
posted on 17/2/17
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Hengy (U9129)
posted 59 minutes ago
The way people are going it's like we've turned in a rubbish team
It's been what a bad month? Come on ffs people need to get a grip a little bit.
Having Verts & Rose back is massive and we'll go back
On a good run.
The squad does need a bit of a overhaul though but Lamela back would certainly help majorly imo as he's the closet player in terms of technique to Eriksen we have.
Let's not forget he was very good last season and was one of the better players early on in the season too
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sorry Mate... but cannot agree on the Lamela/Eriksen comparison... Eric is so one footed/ predictable its a joke. Eriksen is inconsistent but they are leagues apart in terms of talent /creativity. Lamela's best quality is his work ethic....... a sad reflection on a 30mln quid player
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The standard incredibly inaccurate view on Lamela
posted on 17/2/17
comment by Chronic (U3423)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by The Hengy (U9129)
posted 59 minutes ago
The way people are going it's like we've turned in a rubbish team
It's been what a bad month? Come on ffs people need to get a grip a little bit.
Having Verts & Rose back is massive and we'll go back
On a good run.
The squad does need a bit of a overhaul though but Lamela back would certainly help majorly imo as he's the closet player in terms of technique to Eriksen we have.
Let's not forget he was very good last season and was one of the better players early on in the season too
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sorry Mate... but cannot agree on the Lamela/Eriksen comparison... Eric is so one footed/ predictable its a joke. Eriksen is inconsistent but they are leagues apart in terms of talent /creativity. Lamela's best quality is his work ethic....... a sad reflection on a 30mln quid player
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don't agree with your assessment of Lamela,
yes he does work hard, but he is a very unpredictable player and has weighed in with quite a few important assists, if not goals, over the last year or so.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think unpredictable is a nice way of saying he doesn't know what he's doing...... I think of him losing the ball, making stupid tackles, running down blind alleys & getting shown to his right (always leads to nothing) more than goals/ assists (Granted the assist for Eriksen at City last season was great, as was his header at Everton opening game of this season. Other than that the vast majority of his good performances have been against the Prem whipping boys & Europa League pub teams.
posted on 17/2/17
comment by The Hengy (U9129)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Hengy (U9129)
posted 59 minutes ago
The way people are going it's like we've turned in a rubbish team
It's been what a bad month? Come on ffs people need to get a grip a little bit.
Having Verts & Rose back is massive and we'll go back
On a good run.
The squad does need a bit of a overhaul though but Lamela back would certainly help majorly imo as he's the closet player in terms of technique to Eriksen we have.
Let's not forget he was very good last season and was one of the better players early on in the season too
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sorry Mate... but cannot agree on the Lamela/Eriksen comparison... Eric is so one footed/ predictable its a joke. Eriksen is inconsistent but they are leagues apart in terms of talent /creativity. Lamela's best quality is his work ethic....... a sad reflection on a 30mln quid player
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The standard incredibly inaccurate view on Lamela
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not saying he's terrible, He's not. He was overpriced, overated by some Spurs fans (me included) who are desperate for him to do well (esp given how bad he was at the start). No way he would get into the 1st 11 at Chelsea, City, Arsenal, United, Liverpool, Everton or prob Southampton where nearly all our other first teamers would. He plays for us because of what he cost, MoPo is an Argie and Im sure Levy needs him in the shop window
posted on 17/2/17
No way he would get into the 1st 11 at Chelsea, City, Arsenal, United, Liverpool, Everton or prob Southampton where nearly all our other first teamers would. He plays for us because of what he cost, MoPo is an Argie and Im sure Levy needs him in the shop window
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I just cannot agree with that.
he was a fundamental and key part of the squad that last year achieved our highest ever PL finish....
posted on 17/2/17
Lamela was the 8th top Assister last season joint with Alli.
1 behind De bruyne 2 behind Marhez.
He'd 100% get in both Everton and Southampton teams easily and tbh probably arsenals over the likes of Ox, Iwobi & Walcott
Problem with Lamela people either incredibly over rate him or incredibly under rate him.
He a good player who when fit gives us another creative option.
No brainer to want him fit and ready to play
posted on 17/2/17
Fair debate guys !!! He's not my fav but I cannot argue your stats. As an additional point for discussion.... If we received something close to what we paid for him (25-30mln) would you sell this summer, would you want to keep regardless or do you think he's done enough to justify Levy looking for a big profit should he want to sell/ Player want a move ? I know its paper talk but have been a few stories that he's unsettled/family issues.. ???????
posted on 17/2/17
He wouldn't be on my list of players to sell but I'm a person that if a player wants to go then let them regardless.
posted on 17/2/17
I think Lamela and Son would make our bench quite strong in terms of bringing them on in 70 minutes to harass opposition defenders.
Sadly i think Lamela is gone whatever has happened and by all accounts it is something very upsetting for him i do not think his contrubution will be of any use between now and the end of the season.
posted on 18/2/17
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 21 hours, 52 minutes ago
comment by Chronic (U3423)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by The Hengy (U9129)
posted 59 minutes ago
The way people are going it's like we've turned in a rubbish team
It's been what a bad month? Come on ffs people need to get a grip a little bit.
Having Verts & Rose back is massive and we'll go back
On a good run.
The squad does need a bit of a overhaul though but Lamela back would certainly help majorly imo as he's the closet player in terms of technique to Eriksen we have.
Let's not forget he was very good last season and was one of the better players early on in the season too
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sorry Mate... but cannot agree on the Lamela/Eriksen comparison... Eric is so one footed/ predictable its a joke. Eriksen is inconsistent but they are leagues apart in terms of talent /creativity. Lamela's best quality is his work ethic....... a sad reflection on a 30mln quid player
----------------------------------------------------------------------
don't agree with your assessment of Lamela,
yes he does work hard, but he is a very unpredictable player and has weighed in with quite a few important assists, if not goals, over the last year or so.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think unpredictable is a nice way of saying he doesn't know what he's doing...... I think of him losing the ball, making stupid tackles, running down blind alleys & getting shown to his right (always leads to nothing) more than goals/ assists (Granted the assist for Eriksen at City last season was great, as was his header at Everton opening game of this season. Other than that the vast majority of his good performances have been against the Prem whipping boys & Europa League pub teams.
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Pub teams such as City, United and Chelsea? Teams he either scored and/or assisted against last season?
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