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comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 40 seconds ago
He's what, 36? Power doesn't go at 36. Speed and chin maybe, but Haye rarely seems to get tagged so I have no idea what his chin was really like, even a few years ago.
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Of course power dismisses as you get older especially with the ops he's had.
Peak haye would win easily but this one I'm not so sure.
Going to be tight imo
Although saying that probably be over in 1 now
comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody (U6374)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 45 minutes ago
Tyson was smaller than Haye but was heavy weight...? So why isn't haye a proper heavy weight?
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He actually weighed more than Haye. Also the physics of punching up is more powerful than down plus you're more likely to spin the head. Coupled with ridiculous power from his thighs and core plus a low centre of gravity Tyson was the perfect fighter.
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He wasn't. His main weakness was he struggled against an effective jab. Douglas gave the blueprint on how to beat Tyson - don't be scared of him for a start, most of his opponents were beaten before the first bell. Keep him at range with a strong jab, not just a range finder, this allows you to time him coming in and either tie him up or catch him on the way in. Tyson would've struggled against Bowe, and a prime Lennox Lewis or Larry Holmes would've beaten him 9 times out of 10.
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I take your point Ace but I'm not sure you can just definitely say 9 out of 10. As much as he has a weakness it also have him a huge advantage on the inside no? I can accept you know more though! Either way I was talking about the physique of it. If Tyson was so mental who knows what he could of achieved. He had great footwork Ace and fighters often get better and I think he would have beaten Lewis personally. I'm too you to remember Holmes in his prime.
In Hayes recent fights (against bums granted) he still looked pretty quick considering the extra muscle he is carrying and probably even more powerful than before he went away.
He wouldn't last against a Fury, Joshua, Wilder, but a cruiserweight coming up a weight I'd expect him to win with ease.
comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 29 minutes ago
He's what, 36? Power doesn't go at 36. Speed and chin maybe, but Haye rarely seems to get tagged so I have no idea what his chin was really like, even a few years ago.
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He'll have to train a lot harder now than he did a few years ago to get to what it was though
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 23 minutes ago
In Hayes recent fights (against bums granted) he still looked pretty quick considering the extra muscle he is carrying and probably even more powerful than before he went away.
He wouldn't last against a Fury, Joshua, Wilder, but a cruiserweight coming up a weight I'd expect him to win with ease.
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But how will his speed translate to someone who's never fought at heavyweight? If Haye has cruiserweight speed it won't be anything new to Bellew
Fair point, but I doubt Bellew will be able to KO Haye, and I doubt he will.br able to take Hayes power.
Or haye could be completely past it and get schooled. We will see
I'm enjoying the buildup though as Haye continues to make himself look like a complete mug. Yapping on aimlessly on Soccer AM the other day thinking he's some Hollywood hot shot, then saw him on The Gloves Are Off trying to act all cool and nonchalant until Bellew goaded him with into losing his rag and making threats
To top it off he's apparently started swearing at the fans in Liverpool today at the press conference
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In terms of box office I presume he means.
Ffs just watched the press conference, Haye was an embarrassment! Calling fans names because they heckled him and that work experience boy he had talking for him, I was under the impression he was looking forward to it....
http://www.skysports.com/share/10781231
Facking tw@t
Haye hates it, you can see when he's feeling uncomfortable as he always goes for his water bottle trying to cover up how rattled he is. He does the same thing every time, he's so bad at it his only chance is to try and act the cool guy.
Total mismatch. This is what makes for PPV these days?
Shocking.
I can see Bellew getting up twice before being hospitalised.
comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 14 hours, 20 minutes ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody (U6374)
posted 51 minutes ago
comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody (U6374)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 45 minutes ago
Tyson was smaller than Haye but was heavy weight...? So why isn't haye a proper heavy weight?
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He actually weighed more than Haye. Also the physics of punching up is more powerful than down plus you're more likely to spin the head. Coupled with ridiculous power from his thighs and core plus a low centre of gravity Tyson was the perfect fighter.
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He wasn't. His main weakness was he struggled against an effective jab. Douglas gave the blueprint on how to beat Tyson - don't be scared of him for a start, most of his opponents were beaten before the first bell. Keep him at range with a strong jab, not just a range finder, this allows you to time him coming in and either tie him up or catch him on the way in. Tyson would've struggled against Bowe, and a prime Lennox Lewis or Larry Holmes would've beaten him 9 times out of 10.
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I take your point Ace but I'm not sure you can just definitely say 9 out of 10. As much as he has a weakness it also have him a huge advantage on the inside no? I can accept you know more though! Either way I was talking about the physique of it. If Tyson was so mental who knows what he could of achieved. He had great footwork Ace and fighters often get better and I think he would have beaten Lewis personally. I'm too you to remember Holmes in his prime.
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It's not about knowing more mate, I can't stand boxing snobs who deride people who aren't students of the sport as casuals and all that bollox. It's something we'll never know for sure so it just boils down to opinions, mine is no more valid than yours.
Tyson was a great fighter, explosive, powerful with great footwork and head movement. I always question the calibre of opponent he fought on his way up, and the fact that he let a bang average fighter like Douglas beat him from pillar to post when in his pre prison prime. When I watch Tyson I just think it's evident that there are certain things he struggles with, mainly the strong jab. He was explosive inside early in fights, but as per Douglas if they utilise the jab to time his attacks he can be tied up on the inside and worn down, a reason why I really think he'd struggle with bigger heavier men with good jabs. Lewis was also a man absolutely devastating puncher and I honestly think the best version of him would lay a peak Tyson out cold after timing him, jabbing him and frustrating him for round after round.
I'm too young for Holmes too, but got into him from studying the careers of the more popular 70's heavies like Ali, Foreman and Frasier. Have a watch of his fight vs Ken Norton, it's an absolute classic. Also, if you're interested in broadening your knowledge, there's a website called boxingcareerdvds.com, they sell good value DVDs of fighters careers, as well as all the classic trilogies. I've got a whole library in my loft from them!
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When Lewis did eventually fight Tyson he actually beat him by leading with uppercuts as Tyson tried to bull his way through to the inside. Not so sure he would have done the same had his original trainer still been alive (can't remember his name but he was like a father figure to Tyson).
In his younger years his head movement was much better so a solid jab wasn't as effective as it was in his later years - even before he went to prison. ESPN have done some really good docu's on him and despite what happened he was still phenomenal.
5h1t fight. Haye is leagues above Bellow. Haye is good at using the public's lack of boxing knowledge to hype up poor opponents into credible ones (ie. Audley).
Bellow lost to feather-fisted LHW in Cleverly. He's totally out of his depth here.
Unfortunately this will be a walkover for Haye.
Just listening to him on Talksport, he is one horrible human being.
Yeah, Haye is a grade-A pr!ck. Surprised he still has any fans.
Can't stand haye
But listening to Tony bellends voice when he repeats himself makes me team haye.
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Hate hasn't already sewn a seed of his excuse.....
Just as Klopp did with not having a winter break.
I'd be surprised if it was competitive at all, and they're both just building the hype up to sell PPVs and clearly it's working very well. Haye won't care what the country thinks of him if it gets him a few more million.
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posted on 27/2/17
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comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 40 seconds ago
He's what, 36? Power doesn't go at 36. Speed and chin maybe, but Haye rarely seems to get tagged so I have no idea what his chin was really like, even a few years ago.
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Of course power dismisses as you get older especially with the ops he's had.
Peak haye would win easily but this one I'm not so sure.
Going to be tight imo
posted on 27/2/17
Although saying that probably be over in 1 now
posted on 27/2/17
comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody (U6374)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 45 minutes ago
Tyson was smaller than Haye but was heavy weight...? So why isn't haye a proper heavy weight?
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He actually weighed more than Haye. Also the physics of punching up is more powerful than down plus you're more likely to spin the head. Coupled with ridiculous power from his thighs and core plus a low centre of gravity Tyson was the perfect fighter.
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He wasn't. His main weakness was he struggled against an effective jab. Douglas gave the blueprint on how to beat Tyson - don't be scared of him for a start, most of his opponents were beaten before the first bell. Keep him at range with a strong jab, not just a range finder, this allows you to time him coming in and either tie him up or catch him on the way in. Tyson would've struggled against Bowe, and a prime Lennox Lewis or Larry Holmes would've beaten him 9 times out of 10.
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I take your point Ace but I'm not sure you can just definitely say 9 out of 10. As much as he has a weakness it also have him a huge advantage on the inside no? I can accept you know more though! Either way I was talking about the physique of it. If Tyson was so mental who knows what he could of achieved. He had great footwork Ace and fighters often get better and I think he would have beaten Lewis personally. I'm too you to remember Holmes in his prime.
posted on 27/2/17
In Hayes recent fights (against bums granted) he still looked pretty quick considering the extra muscle he is carrying and probably even more powerful than before he went away.
He wouldn't last against a Fury, Joshua, Wilder, but a cruiserweight coming up a weight I'd expect him to win with ease.
posted on 27/2/17
comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 29 minutes ago
He's what, 36? Power doesn't go at 36. Speed and chin maybe, but Haye rarely seems to get tagged so I have no idea what his chin was really like, even a few years ago.
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He'll have to train a lot harder now than he did a few years ago to get to what it was though
posted on 27/2/17
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 23 minutes ago
In Hayes recent fights (against bums granted) he still looked pretty quick considering the extra muscle he is carrying and probably even more powerful than before he went away.
He wouldn't last against a Fury, Joshua, Wilder, but a cruiserweight coming up a weight I'd expect him to win with ease.
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But how will his speed translate to someone who's never fought at heavyweight? If Haye has cruiserweight speed it won't be anything new to Bellew
posted on 27/2/17
Fair point, but I doubt Bellew will be able to KO Haye, and I doubt he will.br able to take Hayes power.
Or haye could be completely past it and get schooled. We will see
posted on 27/2/17
I'm enjoying the buildup though as Haye continues to make himself look like a complete mug. Yapping on aimlessly on Soccer AM the other day thinking he's some Hollywood hot shot, then saw him on The Gloves Are Off trying to act all cool and nonchalant until Bellew goaded him with into losing his rag and making threats
To top it off he's apparently started swearing at the fans in Liverpool today at the press conference
posted on 27/2/17
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In terms of box office I presume he means.
posted on 27/2/17
Hayes lost it
posted on 27/2/17
Ffs just watched the press conference, Haye was an embarrassment! Calling fans names because they heckled him and that work experience boy he had talking for him, I was under the impression he was looking forward to it....
http://www.skysports.com/share/10781231
Facking tw@t
posted on 27/2/17
Haye hates it, you can see when he's feeling uncomfortable as he always goes for his water bottle trying to cover up how rattled he is. He does the same thing every time, he's so bad at it his only chance is to try and act the cool guy.
posted on 27/2/17
Total mismatch. This is what makes for PPV these days?
Shocking.
posted on 27/2/17
I can see Bellew getting up twice before being hospitalised.
posted on 28/2/17
comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 14 hours, 20 minutes ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody (U6374)
posted 51 minutes ago
comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody (U6374)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 45 minutes ago
Tyson was smaller than Haye but was heavy weight...? So why isn't haye a proper heavy weight?
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He actually weighed more than Haye. Also the physics of punching up is more powerful than down plus you're more likely to spin the head. Coupled with ridiculous power from his thighs and core plus a low centre of gravity Tyson was the perfect fighter.
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He wasn't. His main weakness was he struggled against an effective jab. Douglas gave the blueprint on how to beat Tyson - don't be scared of him for a start, most of his opponents were beaten before the first bell. Keep him at range with a strong jab, not just a range finder, this allows you to time him coming in and either tie him up or catch him on the way in. Tyson would've struggled against Bowe, and a prime Lennox Lewis or Larry Holmes would've beaten him 9 times out of 10.
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I take your point Ace but I'm not sure you can just definitely say 9 out of 10. As much as he has a weakness it also have him a huge advantage on the inside no? I can accept you know more though! Either way I was talking about the physique of it. If Tyson was so mental who knows what he could of achieved. He had great footwork Ace and fighters often get better and I think he would have beaten Lewis personally. I'm too you to remember Holmes in his prime.
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It's not about knowing more mate, I can't stand boxing snobs who deride people who aren't students of the sport as casuals and all that bollox. It's something we'll never know for sure so it just boils down to opinions, mine is no more valid than yours.
Tyson was a great fighter, explosive, powerful with great footwork and head movement. I always question the calibre of opponent he fought on his way up, and the fact that he let a bang average fighter like Douglas beat him from pillar to post when in his pre prison prime. When I watch Tyson I just think it's evident that there are certain things he struggles with, mainly the strong jab. He was explosive inside early in fights, but as per Douglas if they utilise the jab to time his attacks he can be tied up on the inside and worn down, a reason why I really think he'd struggle with bigger heavier men with good jabs. Lewis was also a man absolutely devastating puncher and I honestly think the best version of him would lay a peak Tyson out cold after timing him, jabbing him and frustrating him for round after round.
I'm too young for Holmes too, but got into him from studying the careers of the more popular 70's heavies like Ali, Foreman and Frasier. Have a watch of his fight vs Ken Norton, it's an absolute classic. Also, if you're interested in broadening your knowledge, there's a website called boxingcareerdvds.com, they sell good value DVDs of fighters careers, as well as all the classic trilogies. I've got a whole library in my loft from them!
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When Lewis did eventually fight Tyson he actually beat him by leading with uppercuts as Tyson tried to bull his way through to the inside. Not so sure he would have done the same had his original trainer still been alive (can't remember his name but he was like a father figure to Tyson).
In his younger years his head movement was much better so a solid jab wasn't as effective as it was in his later years - even before he went to prison. ESPN have done some really good docu's on him and despite what happened he was still phenomenal.
posted on 28/2/17
5h1t fight. Haye is leagues above Bellow. Haye is good at using the public's lack of boxing knowledge to hype up poor opponents into credible ones (ie. Audley).
Bellow lost to feather-fisted LHW in Cleverly. He's totally out of his depth here.
posted on 2/3/17
Unfortunately this will be a walkover for Haye.
Just listening to him on Talksport, he is one horrible human being.
posted on 2/3/17
Yeah, Haye is a grade-A pr!ck. Surprised he still has any fans.
posted on 2/3/17
Can't stand haye
But listening to Tony bellends voice when he repeats himself makes me team haye.
posted on 2/3/17
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posted on 2/3/17
Hate hasn't already sewn a seed of his excuse.....
Just as Klopp did with not having a winter break.
posted on 2/3/17
I'd be surprised if it was competitive at all, and they're both just building the hype up to sell PPVs and clearly it's working very well. Haye won't care what the country thinks of him if it gets him a few more million.
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